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#9907: Split idea into "problem" and "idea"
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This idea was marked as being in development the 22 August 08.
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Written by flammon the 15 Jun 08 at 16:03.
Category: Brainstorm.
Related to:
Nothing/Others.
Status: In development
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Description
Problem -- Many generic requests such as "Make Ubuntu faster!" are being submitted as ideas. Making Ubuntu faster is definitely something that everyone wants so everyone votes up but we still don't have any ideas on how to make Ubuntu faster.
Solution -- Split ideas into "Problems" and "Ideas". Problems could be submitted separately from ideas but ideas need to be linked to a problem.
In the "Make Ubuntu faster" example, the submitter would enter a problem such as "Ubuntu boots slowly". The idea could be "Don't start any non-interactive processes such as Apache until the user interactive ones have completely loaded".
Voting would be done on the ideas and problems. This way we could see which problems are most important by vote count.
Idea voting would work a little differently. You could only vote for one idea of each problem but have the option to move you vote between ideas for the particular problem.
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henk0775 wrote on the 15 Jun 08 at 16:13
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+1, but I think that brainstorm should go in phase two. The nature of a brainstorm itself is in its disarray.
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vexorian wrote on the 15 Jun 08 at 16:42
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How about they made an "Ubuntu Rant" site so people would post rants there? I am not sure how "make ubuntu faster" classifies as a problem, it is a rant, true problems go to bug trackers.
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Eldmannen wrote on the 15 Jun 08 at 18:43
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I guess not all ideas are solutions to problems?
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DaniloQueiroz wrote on the 15 Jun 08 at 18:43
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i agree with vexorian.
Problems should be posted at Malone. The "make ubuntu faster" problem can be posted there and classified as 'wishlist'.
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jhoger wrote on the 15 Jun 08 at 22:36
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Not all ideas are problem -> solution, though certainly most could and for clarity should be stated that way. Whenever I state such an idea I start out by describing the issue and then stating my Ideas as a solution.
For example, my idea Task Oriented Desktop is definitely an idea but there is no particular problem, per se. It's just a UI that facilitates organization of your daily work.
The things that I think are not ideas are Problems with no Solution. The Solution is where most people would think the idea would be.
So I think this problem would be better dealt with by recommending your general problem/solution format in the Brainstorm Guidelines, and recommending against posting of problems without solution.
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flammon wrote on the 16 Jun 08 at 00:44
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The idea here is to also collect problems.
"A problem is an obstacle which makes it difficult to achieve a desired goal, objective or purpose. It refers to a situation, condition, or issue that is yet unresolved. In a broad sense, a problem exists when an individual becomes aware of a significant difference between what actually is and what is desired."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem
Once we have a list of "problems", people can submit ideas to solve these problems. The best idea to solve that problem would get the vote.
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flammon wrote on the 16 Jun 08 at 01:05
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@DaniloQueiroz: The problem is, Brainstorm is being used as Malone. Check out Idea #94: Fix Suspend and Hibernate http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/94/. It has 5437 votes and last I checked it is the number one "idea". How does that happen? People like to vote and the success of Brainstorm shows that. People are currently not always voting on ideas, they are voting on things that are problematic to them.
I'm proposing to let people vote on the things that are most problematic to them and attach ideas to these problems, which people can vote on as well and keep problems and ideas separate but linked.
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kenneth.venken wrote on the 16 Jun 08 at 11:14
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Nice idea.
Lets say there are N problems and on average they have A different solutions (perhaps duplicates, perhaps not).
In the current system, this would currently give N * A different ideas to look at, browse through and find duplicates in.
Your way is a very intuitive way to hash the enormous amounts of ideas we already have.
BTW, some people are good in finding solutions while others are good in finding problems..
+1
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jhoger wrote on the 16 Jun 08 at 16:21
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Actually there is some other idea that suggests adding voting to the bug tracker. I think that would be a better way to indicate "popularity" of specific problems.
Maybe the Holy Grail here is to somehow combine Brainstorm and the bug tracker.
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flammon wrote on the 29 Jun 08 at 18:23
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@jhoger: All real ideas are solving some kind of problem. Your Task Oriented Desktop idea is definitely solving a problem. You state that current workflow could be improved and be better organized. You currently find it cumbersome to do certain tasks and you are providing ideas to solve these problems. What value does an idea have if it is not improving or fixing something?
The bug tracker should be kept for bugs. My definition of a bug is software that is not behaving as it claims to be behaving or it is crashing. I actually think that new feature request don't belong in the bug tracker now that we have Brainstorm.
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