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Completely agree. Some people really act like this where a patent litigation: since I brote this first and sounds slightly similar, I mark it dupe.
I just got one of my ideas (easy configuration of iSCSI server and client) marked as dupe yesterday, and I'm still trying to figure out what part of it is duplicated (the "original idea" was a tool to migrate config and files between computers).
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cheesehead
(Brainstorm moderator)
wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 19:17
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No, don't make a bureacracy out of it. We don't need a appeal process.
Work within the non-duplicate thread to develop and post a blueprint for your idea. Don't sweat the other idea or the votes. Just work your idea.
DON'T rant and rave about how you've been shafted. That's a quick way to lose respect from the community, and your ideas will suffer accordingly (it's not a merit contest, it's a popularity contest).
DO glean good ideas and integrate them into yours. After all, you want your idea implemented, don't you?
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I would say that instead of being able of appealing duplicates the duplicates should be merged with the original idea and as such not disappear but instead be consolidated into bigger blocks with a sensible level of detail.
An idea can be of a very high level with almost no details or it can be a very low level and detailed one. Two ideas on a lower level plane can be "duplicates" of one another on a higher level even if they're not duplicates on the lower level.
Consolidating ideas on a higher level makes Brainstorm more manageable and in the end would give each one of the merged ideas bigger attention.
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saivann
(Brainstorm moderator)
wrote on the 11 Mar 08 at 07:46
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I also think that we should do something to improve this. I often set ideas as duplicate and even if I take care to read very carefully, I feel uncomfortable that I can't know by any realistic way if people believe that what I did was wrong.
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The problem is that sometimes things get marked as duplicate even if they are not remotely similar. I don't see a way to "work within the nonduplicate thread" when it isn't even close.
Also, the default behavior of the brainstorm search keeps people from seeing the duplicate posts at all, so they fall by the wayside. That is a good way to "lose" good ideas.
Even if it doesn't get "appealed", maybe there could be a way for the community to vote on the duplicate flag itself.
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yman
wrote on the 13 Mar 08 at 04:31
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What if two CONFLICTING ideas are marked as duplicates? That's what happened to me. I'm totally for this idea.
(The conflict isn't in technicalities, but in approach, goals, and proposed execution. Technically, they can both be implemented side-by-side)
Further reference about my ideas the dopes marked as dupes:
Don't mark totally different ideas as duplicates -
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2840/
Independent 3rd Party Repositories -
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1159/
More attention paid to Commercial repo -
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/69/
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yman
wrote on the 13 Mar 08 at 04:32
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BTW, why was an older idea marked as a duplicate of this one?
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keen101
wrote on the 16 Mar 08 at 06:18
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Ironically my idea was flagged as a duplicate of this one. Although mine was technically created first. So, this one is technically the duplicate. :) the irony.
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2276/
+1 though. This has happened to me twice.
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I'm all for it! I've got an idea (6008) which encompasses THREE points I wanted to get across, yet it was marked as a duplicate of a very small idea which was PART of ONE of the points (4003). I'm prepared to give credit to 4003 for part of my idea because it came first, but not all of it! Where do I complain about this?
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Er, mine is 6007. Sorry, typo.
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nand
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 1 Apr 08 at 12:23
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We are currently thinking of reorganizing the duplicate process, via adding a new relationship between ideas : "related ideas".
But don't expect it too soon, the needed changes would be non-negligeable...
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tebibyte
wrote on the 16 Jun 08 at 03:24
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Even if a potential duplicate is slightly off, in might be wise to consolidate anyway, because you could get a higher ranking out of it.
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Auzy
wrote on the 16 Jun 08 at 03:39
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Tebibyte, theres many ideas here I have seen marked as dupe, where I dont agree with both sides of the dupe.
A little bit different can make all the difference in some cases.
For eg, my network in a box idea, develop a way to have a self deploying network that sets itself up, and install all the relevent packages, on the different computers (as well as setting up ldap automatically, etc. That was marked dupe with "Ubuntu business server", which I dont agree with.
One may argue the best way to implement this would be a seperate server, but I strongly believe Ubuntu server itself should be modular enough & integrated enough to include this capability on its CD
Whats important is if the implementation is the same.
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Auzy
wrote on the 16 Jun 08 at 03:42
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Btw, I still vote +1 to this idea, as I stated in the merged ideas
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Auzy
wrote on the 1 Oct 08 at 05:14
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i just send wrong duplicates straight to the moderators list..
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Endolith
wrote on the 15 Oct 08 at 20:35
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Another example:
Idea #91: Better Clipboard Management
This idea is a duplicate of idea #3118: Fix copy / paste.
But the latter is not really a duplicate of the former, and the latter was closed as a bug not an idea. So now the former idea is closed??
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