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Well there is some support for webcam, but this should be much better, and plug and play..
I have a friend that recently tried Ubuntu, and ended up going back to Windows (disappointed as he was). Well, he couldn't make any voicechat trough YahooChat (Pidgin), or aMSN.
So this is something that should be taken care of
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Fjatle wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 19:05
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Well, actually no...
By voice / webcam, I mean separate functions. Webcam (with voice of course) is one of them.
Voice call, does not necessary include webcam. By voice call, I mean Voip.. Like skype..
And yeah, I know you have skype for linux, but thats not the point in this matter :)
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chandru.in wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 19:32
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Isecond this too
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tomatz wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 22:09
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Your friend returned to windows because he could not get his web cam to work. What a muppet he deserves that os!
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cybermonk wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 22:19
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tomatz, Lets not play elite OK.. We are who we are because of who we all are. That is what it means by Ubuntu.
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Fjatle wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 22:23
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Yeah, maybe you think so, but I forgive him due to good reasons.
He is an immigrant from Palestina (now he's here in Norway), and mostly use yahoo and msn to keep in touch with family and friends.
So put yourself in the same situation, and see if you become a muppet too..
We all have different destinies here. Lets not judge too quick.
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tyggna wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 22:58
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I installed a webcam about a month ago on my Ubuntu machine and one my sister's Windows machine. Both were Creative Live cams. In Ubuntu, I plugged it in, configured it in aMSN, and was chatting with my family within 10 minutes.
In windows, it took 20 minutes to install the driver, and nearly an hour to install all the additional software.
I hear that these results are typical with the Creative line of webcams, and with the Logitech Quickcam. It would be nice to see more development on different webcam drivers, though.
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ryanhaigh wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 23:13
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The telepathy project is actually working on AV stuff, pidgin needs a way to use telepathy as the backend so they don't have to do so much work maintaining all the protocols which leads to the current situation eg. with the older and limited MSNP.
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Fjatle wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 23:19
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Yeah, I know there is some support for webcams. And I believe that if I had googled it enough, and tweaked it, I could have got it to work...
But when I googled for Voip for yahoo, I saw that (on several forums) this is not implemented, and developers really didn't want to to use their time making this work. The response was pretty much that they didn't find it necessary, and that there already was software like skype and Ekiga out there...
I disagree with them, but I am only looking at it from a user point of view, so there is not much I can do about it. Except from posting it here :)
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XSP wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 23:42
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http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/34
It's already been reported to the Pidgin team. The problem is, that there just doesn't seem to be anyone that interested in developing it.
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darth_indy wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 23:43
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This would be an excellent feature, but it's not an Ubuntu issue - it's a Pidgin issue.
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jepong wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 23:54
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I second the motion
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Eldmannen wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 00:03
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Yes, I need webcam so I can chat with girls and they can show me their titties!
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speel wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 01:20
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Pidgin team will not come out with this. They're to busy working on resizing text boxes and buddy icons.
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picpak wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 01:55
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I use GMail for AIM and GTalk, aMSN for MSN, and I've ditched YIM because hardly anyone I know uses it. I have no use for this dinosaur of a program.
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jepong wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 02:53
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i use gyachi for Yahoo! This one has webcam.
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Hatefullrrk wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 04:08
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I support this idea.
I can't convinced my sister to use ubuntu because she wanted to have voice chat with his boyfriend like in Windows live messenger.
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ebrahim wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 09:15
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Why not also in Kopete?!
+1 from me, if it is implemented in all major messenger programs (specially Kopete).
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tomatz wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 09:27
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....Yeah, maybe you think so, but I forgive him due to good reasons.
He is an immigrant from Palestina (now he's here in Norway), and mostly use yahoo and msn to keep in touch with family and friends.
So put yourself in the same situation, and see if you become a muppet too..
We all have different destinies here. Lets not judge too quick.
Oh whats that i hear in the background? Oh i know its violins :p
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belovedmonster wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 11:57
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Tomatz, stop being a jerk. Imagine if your number 1 reason for using a computer was spreadsheets and Ubuntu couldn't do them, would you be a muppet for switching to an OS that did? Just because webcam chat isnt a killer feature for you doesn't mean that it isnt for a whole number of people.
As for the "this isnt an Ubuntu issue" comments. I agree. But ultimately it's Ubuntu's loss if users dont switch because it cant offer them what they want. They should be using their resources to sponsor key applications, especially key "switcher" applications. Pidgin is a key switcher application.
Whether you like it or not, IM is probably the most used function of a computer for young people besides web browsing.
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Bence54 wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 14:15
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+1, Maybe Mercury Messenger will have these features soon. I hope.
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leandro.miranda wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 14:32
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Pidgin ao meu ver é o melhor e mais estável, eu só gostaria que ele viesse com a foto maior na janela de chat, e tivesse o recurso de voz e vídeo chat.
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Z_God wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 19:05
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-1 an IM client doesn't need webcam support. You can just set up a seperate webcam server for that. A good package to try would be motion.
I think the combination of a IM client and a videophone is much more logical. One could just click on a contact to set up a videophonecall.
Webcams and IM are just 100% unrelated IMO though.
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tenrou wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 20:04
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This is currently the no1 issue I have when trying to get the people around me to give Ubuntu a try, from my mum who wants to talk to family and friends throughout Europe to my friends wanting to talk to their friends and boy/girlfriends living or travelling around the world.
I've been a on-and-off Linux user since '95 and I think that, with the gaming issue not set to be solved any time soon, the lack of good voice/video communication software is set to be the biggest hurdle to expand Ubuntu market share in particular and Linux market share in general.
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belovedmonster wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 11:21
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Also worth bearing in mind is the fact this feature is only going to become more and more wanted as video/audio chats with broadband connections become more and more popular. This is not some little niche feature, this is something that every one is going to expect in the future.
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fluxy wrote on the 11 Mar 08 at 05:54
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Definitely webcam, voice + other features of respective IM networks should be supported since in my country as well I've beem having this problem; but I wonder whether we should count on pidgin for this.
I have never had much belief in multi-network IM's. What would be required would be separate, but full-fledged IM programs for each network, by full fledged I mean full support for Voice, Video + Others (like nudges, offline messaging, winks...for msn for e.g)
-emesene seems a good candidate for msn network (gtk app) altho it needs to grow up
-xchat is perfect for irc
-etc
pidgin should have been kicked since long ago, i wonder why they have it.
the problem with amsn or even mercury im is that they are non-gtk + written in tcl/java, hence do not integrate well.
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maltes wrote on the 11 Mar 08 at 23:24
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Many features of the popular chat clients (Yahoo, AIM, MSN) are not available in the alternative clients. And implementing them is not only difficult, but the companies would/will try to prevent this via technical and/or legal means. So there could be a lot of time wasted for nothing. They want you to use their official clients. So you can interoperate on a basic level, but they won't let you implement advanced features.
It would be better to encourage people to stick to the standards (jabber/voip) and make them easier to use. Maybe integrate Pidgin/Kopete/Empathy with Ekiga or some other voip client to make this happen with standard protocols.
As for supporting the additional features in MSN/AIM such as voice calls and video and whatnot is a wast of time IMHO, because you would need to reverse engineer much of it only to have them change the specs to cut you off.
The solution to that problem is making them work with Wine. So if you absolutely want/need proprietary stuff you can use the original programs. Easy Wine integration of the most popular Windows programs is the answer here, not wasting time.
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maltes wrote on the 11 Mar 08 at 23:27
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OPEN standards (like jabber) ist the way to go. Not closed stuff.
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rs3york wrote on the 15 Mar 08 at 17:40
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I agree with maltes. This is just another prime example of why we should be pushing open formats because even if Pidgin/aMSN/Kopete/ClientX did all of the work to reverse engineer this sort of thing...the protocol can just get changed to stop it anyway.
Unless all of this webcam work is going to get put in a generic library/framework then focusing on specific programX or programY is a short-sighted way of doing this.
I think the core of this idea makes sense. Perhaps Canonical, could look at sponsoring development/lobbying time to get more *drivers* for webcams.
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richardky wrote on the 15 Mar 08 at 19:06
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agreed. period
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oybon wrote on the 18 Mar 08 at 17:13
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Work is needed on IM etc... I would agree.
Is it an ubuntu problem? Not directly, but it has a significant effect. The lack of a communication feature is a valid reason to move program, and if a suitable alternative is not available on the OS, it is a big problem.
Pidgin is good to a point, but ugly, soo ugly and clunky. I understand there ethos for keeping it simple, but urugh. The have though split the project up in to different sections which is good.
I would say:
1) Promote Jabber - it works, it's good, it's directly linkable to googlechat.
2) Accept that not everybody will `see the light' and MSN will remain popular and thus work towards some compatibility either by.
a) Making it easy to run MSNM (or whatever they now call it) . And by easy, I mean idiot proof.
and / or
b-1) Promote Pidgin or suitable alternative and put some work into getting it to work.
and
b-2) Put together a nice front end that doesn't take the whole screen up. (think trillian. [For my personal preference, trillian + microscopic pro skin I know it is out of date])
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felipec wrote on the 18 Mar 08 at 23:11
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There's a lot of people working on this indirectly but nothing concrete has been done.
If you want to contribute you can check these projects:
Telepathy (for the IM framework)
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felipec wrote on the 18 Mar 08 at 23:14
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Telepathy (for the IM framework)
Empathy (Telepathy Client)
Farsight (Audio/Video framework)
GStreamer (Multimedia framework)
pymsn (MSN library)
telepathy-butterfly (Telepathy module using pymsn)
telepathy-haze (Telepathy module using libpurple)
My project is msn-pecan that currently provides an MSN plugin for libpurple (Pidgin, telepathy-haze) but eventually might be a standalone library and provide a Telepathy module.
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ubuntu_demon wrote on the 21 Mar 08 at 13:29
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Yes this is important. But IMHO this is more of an upstream thing.
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bradwjensen wrote on the 23 Mar 08 at 14:01
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Promote Jabber/Gtalk.
TO DO THIS:
Add all the kool/extra features like Video/Voice chat to JUST the OPEN STANDARDS, like Jabber/Gtalk.
More people would move to Open Standards if all the kool features were just for it in Apps like Pidgin. :)
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solitary wrote on the 2 Apr 08 at 14:25
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Use Skype 2 for linux, makes video/voice/chat/filetransfer between windows/linux/mac people easy. The built-in encryption is makes a little bit safer for your friend then msn/yahoo.
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loki wrote on the 18 Apr 08 at 22:14
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"I have a friend that recently tried Ubuntu, and ended up going back to Windows (disappointed as he was). Well, he couldn't make any voicechat trough YahooChat (Pidgin), or aMSN."
I've saddly enough the same experience with my girlfriends sister, some friends and even between myself and my parents.
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loki wrote on the 18 Apr 08 at 22:17
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About skype: skype is NOT offering high quality videocalls for linux.
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loki wrote on the 18 Apr 08 at 22:28
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"As for supporting the additional features in MSN/AIM such as voice calls and video and whatnot is a wast of time"
"Easy Wine integration of the most popular Windows programs is the answer here, not wasting time."
Good point!
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HermanChess wrote on the 26 Apr 08 at 05:38
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And don't forget EMESENE which is in my opinion much better than aMSN.
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BUGabundo wrote on the 28 Apr 08 at 09:39
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Its times like this that i love https://imo.im
it just works...
If only pidgin DEVs stopped that attitude: "We dont use VoIP, so we wont spend time making it work for pidgin!"
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bogdan_5844 wrote on the 1 May 08 at 21:58
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I wonder...
Can't the Pidgin guys make a team or talk about the webcam/voice part on yahoo with the GyachI folks?
Their program works wonderfully well(excepting the suckyest interface on the world,of course)
With a bit of redesign,GyachI could be a real competitor to IM programs,but until then,it may be possible to integrate the GYachI voice and webcam part to libpurple or something.
I ain't really into programming,and don't really know if this is applicable,but it may be a solution
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Popoi wrote on the 10 May 08 at 04:32
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Many girls don't change to Ubuntu due to the lack of Webcam/Voice support on its default IM software. It's a pity.
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solitary wrote on the 14 May 08 at 23:47
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@loki
Yes Skype has webcam support for Linux. I have used it, and it works fine, maybe you should try it too.
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Tolga wrote on the 12 Aug 08 at 16:24
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Voice call, does not necessary include webcam. By voice call, I mean Voip.. Like skype..
And yeah, I know you have skype for linux, but thats not the point in this matter :)
Regards
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Sohbet
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