Idea
#273: Better Multilingual support and better CJK fonts
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Written by kimchi314 the 29 Feb 08 at 00:08.
Category: Others.
Related to:
Nothing/Others.
Status: New
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Description
It's currently way too difficult to set up fonts and input editor for languages such as Japanese, Chinese, and Korean.
Take a look at this complicated HOWTO:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Japanese_Input_and_Fonts_in_Ubuntu_7%2e10
Setting up SCIM / SKIM should be easy regardless of what language you log in with. Many people need to use multiple languages.
In Windows, all you need to do is open the Regional Settings and check the languages you want and possibly insert the original disc.
In addition, the fonts installed for CJK by default are horrible. Ubuntu should include more readable fonts out of the box.
I feel this is a very important issue and is blocking Ubuntu from being a serious option for CJK users.
Tags:
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Attachments
 Bug #34282 : [Gutsy Feisty Edgy Dapper] language-support-"any CJK language" doesn't set up a way to input this language with scim if the session doesn't correspond to this particular CJK (Chinese, Japanese or Korean) language
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Comments
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foe wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 14:24
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Hi kimchi314, I am the author of idea #285. I suggest we merge our two ideas and since you have more votes, I will post a comment having the people that voted for mine go and vote for yours. Could you edit the post and add some reference from mine (keywords like SCIM / SKIM etc), it might help bringing in people. Thankx!
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kimchi314 wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 18:00
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Hi foe, how do you edit the idea? I can't see an edit link anywhere.
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kimchi314 wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 18:02
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Never mind, found it. Thanks
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seshomaru samma wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 05:52
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I think there should be a simple way to install SCIM for CJK without downloading all the support files for Gnome and OO.
Yes I can do it with the command line ,but it takes a lot of trial and error to find which files I need. Especially for enabling SCIM on English session. It used to work with im-switch and now theres scim-bridge , except it doesn't always work, I found myself using im-switch on a few Gutsy boxes running an English session.
And the fonts definitely need some work on, At least have Firefox display them correctly by default and not using several fonts in the same sentence.
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Loïc wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 23:53
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We maintain a detailed guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM and update it for each release (nothing for Hardy yet, since it's a moving target, but it'll be there a few days after release). It mostly works for Chinese and Korean, but I know Japanese users have different problems - can't help for that at the moment.
The steps required are simple though, and should have been done by Ubuntu for ages.
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3dxtrip wrote on the 13 Mar 08 at 05:18
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SCIM don't work with the Opera Browser on Ubuntu Gutsy. I other distros like Slackware works fine.
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jon.reeve wrote on the 21 Mar 08 at 17:45
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This is my #1 beef with Ubuntu, as a bilingual English/Chinese user. Out of the box, all Chinese text is displayed in a hodgepodge patchwork of fonts, some of which are anti-aliased, some not, and it takes some serious commandline work to get it just to where you can DISPLAY Chinese characters correctly. SCIM takes a good deal of messing around with, too. I can't even describe in numbers the ridiculous amount of hours I've spent trying to get my Chinese fonts to display correctly.
What I don't understand is, usually users (I assume) are going to go to language preferences and enable Chinese (or Japanese, or Korean), and probably not the other asian languages. With that in mind, why can't Ubuntu simply notice when say, Chinese is enabled, and go through all the motions of configuring its system to display Chinese characters correctly? I mean, if I can follow a page-long list of instructions to customize my system for chinese display, so can the computer itself, right?
Ok sorry for ranting. But I think we should be able to get on this issue.
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Loïc wrote on the 5 Apr 08 at 20:15
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How is http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5840/ a solution?
Most problems with multilingual support arises when an English (or any latin-locale user) wants to input a CJK language (or other language necessitating an IME) under an English session.
Asking them to just install from, say, a Chinese CD and using a Chinese session when their primary language isn't Chinese (or Japanese, or Korean) is downright senseless. It doesn't solve tha fonts problem either.
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Greenery wrote on the 27 May 08 at 11:37
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I tried to set my SKIM to be able to let me type in Japanese but it didn't work. So I really want Japanese input setup to be easy and straightforward (or even better, one-click away) similar to other languages for those who are multilingual users.
Since I'm a Kubuntu user, if they plan to integrate a solution for this in Ubuntu, integrate to all Ubuntu family (Kubuntu,Xubuntu and etc.). I hate to feel like a second class citizen.
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riutaro wrote on the 11 Jun 08 at 13:37
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@jon.reeve
@Greenery
I am a multilingual user too, storing Traditional and Simplified Chinese and Japanese data on the GB-EN login. Ubuntu system itself can run on English any time but I want C and J supported side-by-side. This includes a decent set of input methods that works on ALL Debian applications as well as proper display/handling of Asian scripts in the file system and on the Internet (preferably independent of browsers).
I have tried quite a few HOWTOs with heavy command lining and am still having the same problems — I even don't remember what exactly I did any more. Fresh install looks like this only option but I haven't found time and space to do a complete back-up.
I ardently wait for a day when a simultaneous CJK support is only a few clicks away from the fresh install! :)
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dabisu wrote on the 19 Jun 08 at 20:26
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I agree with the idea of making SCIM more configurable (and that's the reason i use uim, IMHO is easier to use to work with CJK languages).
But the Ubuntu biggest problem is the lack of good fonts for CJK. Every release breaks something, and gives the impression that Ubuntu considers CJK locales and countries not their "main" market. Big error if you ask me.
For example, in 7.10 korean fonts were ok, in 8.04 are ugly and completely unreadable. In 8.04 japanese fonts are ok, but in previous versions antialiasing was enabled for small sizes making them unreadable.
In 8.10, too, firefox 3 (i understand this is not really and ubuntu problem) is still worse that firefox 2 when latin1 and japanese/chinese characters are on the same page, mixing double-width and half-width and producing an ugly mess (just check any japanese wikipedia article with latin characters).
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agro1986 wrote on the 20 Jun 08 at 06:28
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I'm an English user that needs to input Japanese on my system. Setting it with Ubuntu is indeed not as easy as in Windows XP. Voting this.
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