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if you are adding it i suggest why not in synaptic also...
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Cityscape
(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 19 Jul 10 at 21:08
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I agree, it should also be added to Synaptic.
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Great idea.
Flattr is an upcoming donation system. Ubuntu could prove its modern and human spirit by enabling users to flattr software developers.
I'd LOVE to see this in the next Ubuntu versions.
I'm already using flattr and there are already a couple of linux-related projects/sites that are listed.
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Auzy
wrote on the 22 Jul 10 at 16:31
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Hahah.. A linus.. NOT the linus.
I have a flattr membership (haven't used it yet), but does anyone know if flattr does any verification to see if the people who post things do actually own the projects?
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ethana2
wrote on the 22 Jul 10 at 21:28
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I think there comes a point where you've got to say "you want our money? Sign up for x." So, I wouldn't say that just because projects don't use something doesn't mean we shouldn't implement it in the software center. If that's flattr, fine, if it's something Canonical makes themselves, great, whatever.
As long as it's dead easy to use.
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It would be fine it Canonical wants to introduce an own system BUT the advantage of flattr: It seems to get a widely used system. Once it's established and people are using it, they do not have to sign up for yet another service just to share some money with the developers who's work they appreciate.
Canonical can even try to make a deal with flattr to get a share of the 10% they are receiving right now. It would be a win-win situation: Canonical can use flattr to make it even more attractive to develop GOOD software for Ubuntu (and might make some money itself, even it it'd be only 1%: it sums up!) and flattr gets a good reputation and a bigger userbase.
Of course there is still the risk of bothering people with it, but by making it optional, this is avoided. So there could be an option "Show flattr-buttons" in the settings of the Software Center.
Spread the voice to get more votes on this idea.
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Auzy
wrote on the 24 Jul 10 at 04:32
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One thing to keep in mind though is that flattr is founded by a Pirate bay founder. Also, we shouldn't touch any system unless they actively try to verify that the items posted belongs to the person who posted them..
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I do not completely understand your doubts.
What's wrong with the guys of Pirate Bay implementing a micro-payment-system?
How should somebody place a button onto a website, blog (etc.) he does not have any access too?
Once a site is hacked, the hacker can do anything he wants, even integrate a flattr-button. But that's not a problem of flattr. ;)
Same for the Software Center: I do not see any scenario where flattr-buttons pose a particular threat.
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Auzy
wrote on the 25 Jul 10 at 06:17
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@splashote:
Firstly, I'm simply pointing out it's a projected founded by a pirate bay person. It doesn't make it a direct threat, however, it can pose an indirect threat, because it may be identified as a risk to major companies (such as Sony), who have strong ties to the MPEG guys, which we don't license properly. That being said, I am a fan of flattr, and I also believe Ubuntu needs to start licensing codecs properly.
Personally, I think there should be many options, not only flattr. Developers should be free to choose the payment system they want, but Canonical MUST verify that the account belongs to the official developers
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Ok, I see your point about verifying the account.
I thinkt it's not hard to be done: Just check whether the e-mail used is the original one of the project. That's it.
However, we should do everything to promote the idea. Once it has sufficient supporters and Canonical likes it, they'll think about the details.
Flattr has nothing to do with Pirate Bay despite the same guys behind it. And linking this fact with codec licensing seems thinking around too many corners. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
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Auzy
wrote on the 26 Jul 10 at 04:47
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I understand what you are saying, but just saying there is a slight risk.
What if Pirate bay integrates it into their site for instance, so anyone can submit a torrent, and allow donation links even for pirated software.. Since "some of the guys are working on it", and they aren't actively enforcing it's use legally, it may blow out to be used primarily for illegal purposes.
So I'm saying allow any payment method, but be aware that there are certain risks involved potentially with supporting it as the sole payment system. Anyway, I simply think it needs to support a few providers at launch.
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The terms of use make clear statements on illegal activities:
" By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree not to use the Services:
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3. for any illegal or unauthorized purpose. If you are an international user, you agree to comply with all local laws regarding online conduct and acceptable content;
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6. to violate any laws in your jurisdiction (including but not limited to copyright laws)"
Another quotation that might be interesting for you:
"License and Restrictions: If you install the Flattr Button on your site, you warrant that you (or your company if you are using the Service as a representative of your company) own or have licensed all rights to your site, including the content on your site."
So don't worry, flattr is a service aimed at legal content.
I do not claim neither that flattr should be the solely paymand method. If they integrate other ones, fine! But they should all be easy to use!
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Auzy
wrote on the 26 Jul 10 at 21:48
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That alleviates my concerns..
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@ michaelforrest:
Could you please provide more information and a screenshot of the alternative you proposed?
I'm not sure how it looks like.
Thanks.
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Shutter is on board promotin this idea:
http://shutter-project.org/contribute/
Let's get some vots, guys and girls!!
OMG!Ubuntu! plans to make a blog post an flattr, too. Perhaps they need a reminder to finish it asap.
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fmfrisch
wrote on the 19 Aug 10 at 14:04
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Awesome! Yea lets all promote this idea now. Blog about it and send it to bloggers. The perfect 10 wont be perfect without a donation button!
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fmfrisch
wrote on the 19 Aug 10 at 15:58
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That is really cool! Yea I sent a message to OMGUBunutu about this idea. Cool that they actually picked it up!
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I would love to see a way to uniformly donate to developers. I would not like to see the Ubuntu Software center turn into a place where there are identical versions but one is just appeneded with "- donate version".
I voted for the Flattr idea.
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I think the Flattr donation system is a brilliant idea and should be implemented in Ubuntu. The minimum amount to donate is $2 but for the creators of Ubuntu I would make a car donation. They deserve it because they have created a good featured OS with a lot of stability. I recently started working on Ubuntu and I was amazed!
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