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Idea #25197: Different icon for .deb packages

bug This idea was marked as being in development the 11 December 10.
Written by mydoghasworms the 22 Jun 10 at 18:32. Category: Look and Feel. Related project: Nothing/Others. Status: In development
Rationale
The icon for a .deb package looks too much like an ordinary archive.

Tags: icon package


Developer comments
Thanks for the suggestion. Making .deb icons more distinctive is a great idea.

I have reviewed the proposed solutions with Michael Vogt, our packaging expert. Solution #1 is straightforward, but we particularly like solutions #5 and #10, using a thumbnailer to show the application icon from inside each package.

Deb Thumbnailer is a good start, but it needs a bit of code cleanup. We will work with the Deb Thumbnailer developers to see if it can be made suitable for the default Ubuntu installation.

If you would like to help out, the next step is to get it packaged: http://launchpad.net/bugs/685851

— mpt

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Selected solution (#1): Have a different icon for software packages
Written by mydoghasworms the 22 Jun 10 at 18:32.
A software package should stand out from other kinds of archives, so the user can see that this is an installation package containing software. After all, when you double-click it, it opens GDebi GTK, and not Archive Manager!
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Selected solution (#2): Allow package to optionally include its own icon
Written by mydoghasworms the 24 Jun 10 at 05:15.
It would be nice if every package could include its own icon, which would display in Nautilus, and if it has no icon, then some default must be displayed. This would be especially nice for third-party vendors providing software (e.g. Google, Skype, VirtualBox, etc.)
This is of course an optional specification, and if the package includes it, and the file manager supports it, it would show the icon.

-- UPDATE --
As per comment below, this is now a reality: https://launchpad.net/deb-thumbnailer
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Selected solution (#3): Use icon similar to Software Center icon
Written by stoffel the 24 Jun 10 at 19:48.
The icon should be similar to the Software Center icon. This will hint the user that this is a software package that will install a new application.

Maybe it can be the Software Center icon with a (big) green arrow.
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Selected solution (#4): Solution #1 + mockup icon with a concept
Written by lvxferre the 1 Jul 10 at 19:56.
Mockup icon: http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/218/debinstpack.png

The mockup I made is horrible, I know - please, look at the concept behind it.

The icon is still a package, somewhat similar to the old icons. The Debian logo is still there (it's .deb after all), but it should be bigger and with a more contrasting color.

The package is open. Inside it's a floppy - while few of us still use floppy disks, most associate it with "install". The green arrow in the floppy hints "download".

So, an icon like this tells us: "You downloaded this file, There's a program inside. You can install the program if you want." Exactly what we expect from a .deb .
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Selected solution (#5): Different icons for software packages and for type of content
Written by eld1e6o the 4 Jul 10 at 03:31.
Use different icons for software packages
Also use debthumbnailer which puts different icons for different type of software

See https://launchpad.net/~deb-thumbnailer-team/+archive/ppa

See images here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/that-was-quick-new-deb-thumbnailer.html
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Selected solution (#6): Have a different icon for archives
Written by Stancel_Spencer the 10 Jul 10 at 09:07.
That looks like a box. So it is perfect for software packages. The metaphor is great, it is like the package that comes in the box that you order and you open it up.

Archives, like zip files, have often been shown in other OS as a folder with a zipper on it. You could also use a filing cabinet for the icon. But my point is, if anything needs to change, it's the archive icons.
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Selected solution (#7): emblems #1
Written by cfg the 11 Jul 10 at 10:45.
Add a emblems on deb(rmp) package denoting installation.
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Selected solution (#8): emblems #2
Written by cfg the 11 Jul 10 at 10:52.
Add a emblems on deb(rmp) package denoting depending on what packages are not included in standard ubuntu, and maybe need download other packages.
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Selected solution (#9): Use Ubuntu logo on icon rather than Debian logo
Written by mydoghasworms the 13 Jul 10 at 20:15.
The current package has the Debian logo on it. Replace it with the Ubuntu logo (and then make it look less like a box).
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Selected solution (#10): Make the Deb Thumbnailer a default app
Written by lotif the 21 Jul 10 at 16:37.
Deb Thumbnailer ( https://launchpad.net/deb-thumbnailer ) is a great solution. Why not make it a default app? It needs some improvement, but once it becomes default, more eyes will turn to it and it will certainly look better.



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jeypeyy wrote on the 23 Jun 10 at 20:15
Some ideas of what it can look like?

lvxferre wrote on the 24 Jun 10 at 07:15
What I can think now is an OPEN box (not closed, as package icons) with a floppy inside (most people already associates it with install) and Debian symbol in the floppy... so, the visual style is still the same, however the icon is more explicit about the package contents.

mydoghasworms wrote on the 24 Jun 10 at 14:35
@lvxferre: I like it. Post a solution with an example.

geodro wrote on the 28 Jun 10 at 10:07
how about like this>>>

http://www.geod.ro/installers-mockup2.png

dragoninsane wrote on the 29 Jun 10 at 02:22
great work geodro....ur mock up is fantastic

Sn3ipen wrote on the 29 Jun 10 at 03:24
I don't think .deb packages should be allowed to use their own icon. It would be to hard to implement. Where would they get the icon from? You could have it inside the package and have the os to automatically check for the icon. But then again it is to much work to implement such a useless feature.

And by the way it reminds me to much of those buggy Windows installers.

Fopper wrote on the 29 Jun 10 at 06:06
OMG! Ubuntu blogged about this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/that-was-quick-new-deb-thumbnailer.html

Auzy wrote on the 29 Jun 10 at 06:09
Sn3ipen.. buggy Windows installers? Ha? Not sure where you are getting your dodgy info, but please explain. The reason why Linux is stagnant, is exactly because of all the BS people invent. You may think it makes you cool to diss windows, but honestly, there is a good reason why people are rejecting distro's like ubuntu..

I don't think it should be too difficult to generate their own icons personally (image files already do this, and movies which is significantly more complex). Overlay it with a symbol to tell them its a package, and its the optimum solution

mydoghasworms wrote on the 29 Jun 10 at 14:22
@Sn3ipen, that was exactly the intent with Solution #2. It's an optional specification whereby a packager can choose to include an icon or not. If the file manager supports displaying it, then it would, otherwise not. Maybe I didn't make that very clear.

geodro wrote on the 29 Jun 10 at 20:19
we have made an page for the project

https://launchpad.net/deb-thumbnailer

Darwin Survivor (Brainstorm moderator) wrote on the 30 Jun 10 at 00:03
@geodro I like your idea of merging the two. I'm kind of torn between which icon (software center vs. application) would be dominant and which would be scalled down though.

Ricardo Espinel wrote on the 30 Jun 10 at 20:31
Grose! The people who propose solutions almost completely lacks of taste and sense of stethic. The Ubuntu Software Centre is one of the top 10 worst icons ever seen

lvxferre wrote on the 1 Jul 10 at 20:00
@mydoghasworms: solution proposed, with example.

mydoghasworms wrote on the 12 Jul 10 at 14:28
@lvxferre: thanks! I saw your example and gave it +1.

cheazz wrote on the 16 Jul 10 at 06:54
I thought of something like this:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25197/

cheazz wrote on the 16 Jul 10 at 06:56
I'm sorry (wrong link copied)
I meant this one:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7957/applicationxdeb.png

geodro wrote on the 20 Jul 10 at 10:09
@cheazz install the latest version of deb-thumbnailer (0.6) and run:

deb-thumbnailer --switch

NomadDemon wrote on the 6 Mar 11 at 10:24
i think it will be good to add ARCH symbol, 32 or 64 also

pranesh wrote on the 26 Apr 11 at 04:12
every package icons should be similar to the name of the software package it should be unique and it should be stylish

lan3y wrote on the 10 Jun 11 at 23:51
is anything happening with this? seems to have stalled would be a nice feature to have.

Tom

nickr wrote on the 13 Jun 11 at 19:41
Hopefully the App icon won't cover up the type of compression that was used: deb/zip/tar.bz2

Solution #10 blots out the identifier on the "box." Users should be able to look at the icon and quickly identify the type of compression used. This is more important than seeing the app's icon because the name of the file puts the App's name first. The compression format is last in the name and more easily identifiable when displayed on the "box."

cheesehead (Brainstorm admin) wrote on the 6 Jul 11 at 18:24
Deb-thumbnailer is at REVU: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/deb-thumbnailer
(It's been there for a while)


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