Idea
#2279: BUG: UBUNTU USERS ARE (often) DUMB
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Written by gvy the 1 Mar 08 at 19:30.
Category: Others.
Related to:
Nothing/Others.
Status: New
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Description
There's a perceived feeling that Ubuntu leaders tend to spoonfeed their users with the same expectation as Microsoft: that they can be arbitrarily dumb.
Well, to much extent they respond as expected.
Isn't it better long-term to educate than to increase technology complexity per joe average user? Those who have to deal with grossly incompetent result (like space-centered lines in Word or OpenWriter, no difference) would ha^H^H*love* you for promoting incompetence just as well, and quite for a reason.
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Michael Shigorin
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gvy wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 19:53
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PS: by voting "minus", you either tell IMHO:
* that you don't agree with what was written
as a bitter but hopefully useful critique;
* or that you're vulnerable to this bug indeed
and unable to even understand why bitter
can be useful.
Could have missed other possibilities, of course.
PPS: didn't vote +/- at all, leaving the initial state at zero.
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cheesehead wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 20:04
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Not a bug. Seems to be an invertebrate, though.
Yeah, lots of dumb ideas,
Yeah, lots of already-implemented ideas,
Yeah, lots of easy-to-do-at-the-command-line ideas,
Yeah, lots of easy-to-script ideas,
Yeha, lots of spoon-feed-it-to-me ideas,
But my ideas are just as dumb too.
That's how brainstorming works.
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GortiZ wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 20:08
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-.-'! This could be a good example of the needs of a moderator -.-'!
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gvy wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 20:11
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It's a metabug, actually. Not on "brainstorming", no. On much more wide things -- I've tried to communicate some of these to Mark via sounder@ back in 2005 when maybe half of "brains" storming here (and mindlessly advertising their new toy elsewhere) were using Windows and not thiking over medium-sized enterprise migration results, like the rest of us.
They don't need a computer. They need a gaming console, an unhackable "consumer internet device", and a payment card to be occasionally scammed.
It's not fixable with bigger and better technology. But we can still resist being made even dumber by megacorps and governments who prefer drones to people. Resist, not aid it.
Yep, it was a re-post of another title with (hopefully) a bit of useful content.
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gvy wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 20:17
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2 GortiZ: don't worry, the previous message (which I didn't have a chance to read :) with similar title is removed already; hence decided that it's nice enough example of "ubuntu democrazy" to introduce my thoughts on the matter and double-test the effect.
I tend to snapshot things like this as a sort of illustration; *thank you* for providing nice sample of idle (judging on LP account stats) and, well, vulnerable(TM) user.
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doas777 wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 22:07
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OK heres my though since you asked (you did ask didn't you?):
1: most of the problems I have doing whatever it is I do on linux systems are compatibility based.
2: I don't want to have my choice of linux represent a limitation to what data I can access or the tasks I can tackle. I choose the task, it helps me accomplish it. this is my computer, not a toy that I pull out when I want to play hobbyist. my tasks need to be reasonable, but the software should not impose limitations on tasks that are trivial on other systems.
3: Developing software is expensive and time consuming to create and maintain.
4: Right now, Linux use as a desktop is a novelty. I don;t like that, but it is true. Linux use as a server is strong, but that does me a whole lot less good.
5: the list of desktop utilities suitable for all users reasonable needs is significant to say the least. it will take many developers many manhours to accomplish.
6: Licensing and IP problems plague open source possiblities while OSS remains in the minority.
7: as OSS principals gain ground and poplularity more people will become active in the community and the use of OSS software will increase. closed licenses will slowly become less of a barrier through simple attrition.
8: as the community becomes more active, more resources are available to fill out the list of required projects, and to improve the existing ones.
9: as more high quality OSS projects come into mainstream use, more tasks can be trivially accomplished using OSS methodologies.
10: and once all this is complete, I end up with a workstation that does everything i want done, with only the fiddling I want to do (because yes, I have hobbyist playtime too), with the freedom and flexibility that brought me to ubuntu in the first place.
So to sum up, yes, I want ubuntu to make headway in the desktop arena, because i believe it will improve my desktop experience. the only way linux can accomplish these ends, is to appeal to the larger audience, and to do that it has to just work.
just my 2 bits
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yman wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 10:36
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There are people out there who use their computers to get real work done, and don't use their computers as playthings. I understand Ubuntu's slogan as meaning just that.
Why do I promote the use of FOSS?
*It hurts me to see people wasting money on stuff they can get done for free.
*I think the idea that information can be owned is wrong.
*Profit prevention is not theft.
*Unethical business practices of some software giant(s), which include: lying, cheating, vendor lock-in.
*I think that it makes more sense for people and organizations to create the tools they need in collaboration, and compete on the products and services they are selling, than to still use the same tools, but pay for someone else's profit margins.
*The more FOSS is used, the more it will be supported by hardware, applications, file formats, and web sites.
"They need a gaming console" - if you are referring to my idea:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1013/
then I'll let you know what I've spelled out on that page: The purpose is more Linux-compatible content (I consider apps of any kind to be content), and more revenue for Canonical. If you wonder why I worry about Canonical's financial state, it's because they are the main force driving and financing Ubuntu, so if they go down, Ubuntu might go down as well.
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Tuxoid wrote on the 13 May 08 at 00:49
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If you like the terminal, use the Terminal. With the things I like to do (graphic design, listening to music, web browsing), it takes to much of my time for any benefit. I don't use Linux for any type of gaining of knowledge, I use it because A) I'm a cheap skate B) It's an interesting take on the design of an OS, and, most important to me C) I support the morals entailed in the GNU GPL. I don't care about learning bash, ssh, or any other command-line shell for that matter. I just want it to work. I don't care about about all the command-line optimization, technical differences between core system software, or anything that I cannot directly see. As long as the technical stuff doesn't get in my way (by running badly), I'm happy.
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glotz wrote on the 28 Jun 08 at 23:03
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I R not dumb!
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