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Idea #22472: title-bar / caption are waste of space

Written by yzarc the 15 Nov 09 at 12:39. Related project: Gnome. Status: New
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since they appeared, long time ago, they hold more or less the same features.

Let's see two examples:
Google-chrome, they improved it with the tab-bar and everyone loved it.
UNR, they get rid of it and put the caption and controllers in an applet (windows-picker) saving lots of space.

The gnome title-bar is poor in features and ugly too. It's allways in the way of who tried to make gnome look fancy. Think, do you really look at the caption, or you just use it to close or move the windows? If I wanna know which window is the firefox one, the last place I look is the caption.
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Solution #1: Improve windows-picker solution.
Written by yzarc the 15 Nov 09 at 12:39.
give it more features:
1- show min/restore commands.
2- permit to the app to add gadgets like progress bar, tab-bar, multimedia commands.
3- make it fit with the gtk theme and touching the windows to give the illusion it's part of the window.
4- add launchers.
5- window "menu mode", the window is no maximized but stay attached to the panel, like the calendar.
6- group / ungroup windows.
7- tile windows command.
8- show desktop applet.
9- places applet.
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Solution #2: permit app to use its space
Written by yzarc the 15 Nov 09 at 12:47.
make it more flexible permitting apps to use it as they need.
tab-bar for browsers, art and commands for media players,avatar, status, last msg of a IM windows, etc. no just title and min/max buttons.

look at this example from "clever windows" mockup, the title bar belong to the app, is useful and beautiful, holds interesting informations, is no more just an useless strip.




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Solution #3: Make window managers more sensitive.
Written by Lachu the 15 Nov 09 at 15:45.
Already window managers have designed to not disappoint users. It will force designers to add caption bar, caption buttons, etc. We should fix window border size to 2/4 pixels to each edge. Also, we need to make whole space not contained in active window interactive - by clicking on other window, we don't bring it on first front, but menu with possible actions should appear.
Use cases:
1) Alex would to move window. He only click on destination position and select move there. Alex can also click on window border or white space at screen, go to mode submenu and select move.
2) We had window maximized. It takes whole screen plus borders. Alex can click on border and select window list > gedit(for example). She can also select desktop from window list or click minimize window.

It will brinks better way to integrate with user(more natural, flexible, faster). Additional features is we don't waste space and there always possibility to use mouse(today we must use keyboard in some cases or move window on whole screen).

We should display windows title, when cursor leaves active window or alt key is pressed.
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Solution #4: Use Gnome global menu
Written by Lasall the 22 Nov 09 at 03:37.
So you can use unused space at the top bar.


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Solution #5: Extendable Borders
Written by speedkreature the 1 Dec 09 at 18:48.
Using solution #2, extend transparent (or not) borders around the windows when the user moves the pointer (whether mouse, tablet or finger) to the edge of the window because it may be that the menu texts take up the entire top of the window leaving no place to click and drag the window.
The transparent borders would allow the user to resize and move the window as desired.
Hovering some number of milliseconds (or holding the click and not moving) over the extended border would allow for resize, the default action being move.
If the window is fullscreen, it will need to be taken out of full screen mode first. If it still takes the full available monitor space, the desktop environment needs to be resolution aware and shrink the window enough to allow for the border to appear.

GUI's are moving toward multi-touch and I think we need to prepare our desktops for this switch.
This method is a little more intuitive as it only appears when the user is approaching the window boarders (as you do when you intend to move or resize a window).
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Solution #6: Merge the standard tool bar and title bar.
Written by c3h8 the 15 Dec 09 at 00:09.
The Menu Bar should be integrated in to the title bar. The menu bar should be to the left. The window name sdhould be in the middle, and the buttons are still on the right, left or center as dictated by the window decorator.
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Solution #7: Show titlebar only in few conditions.
Written by Lachu the 1 Jan 10 at 17:22.
Titlebar should presents, when mouse cursor is outside titlebar. It should be displayed above the window and be transparent. Also titlebar should been displayed, when mouse are above borders of window for some amount of time.

Once window is maximized, we can display close button on panel(GNOME3 would integrate panels and window managers).

Propose your solution

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rdesfo wrote on the 22 Nov 09 at 17:02
IT would be neat to see "Gnome global menu" integrated into Gnome 3.

yzarc wrote on the 23 Nov 09 at 07:48
That is true that global menu can save space, but it is confusing, uncomfortable, a downgrade in usability (my opinion).Maybe you will be starting a new problem to solve a previous one.

And to move toward this solution they should find an way to make all the apps to use it. the two main apps in ubuntu don't, firefox, openoffice.

MarcioVinicius wrote on the 24 Nov 09 at 22:42
I loved the solution #4! I guess that bar is a waste of space...

Why confusing?

Confusing if you keep seeing the bar as it is today. We don't need three or four menus (how many we have there??), we could have only one menu with all others inside (and perhaps make a good menu for applications, settings, places, etc. and with a good search bar like in Windows Vista). It could have any graphical tip to separate things.

This way that bar would be totally different. A different concept. BTW, we should get rid of the title bar too (keeping it would be confusing).

I don't see a downgrade in usability, everything would still stand right in front of your eyes. I see an upgrade in usability yet optimizing the space.

About to find a way to make all the apps to use it? Well, don't they want to build apps to Ubuntu? So follow the rules...

P.S. I don't write programs, so i don't know the technical barriers to make it work, but we have to wonder about new things... isn't it a brainstorm?

Tweenk wrote on the 25 Nov 09 at 00:29
Solution #4 is a carbon copy from OS X and totally wrong.
1. It pollutes global desktop space with application-specific information - this is a major usability failure.
2. It does not remove the need for the window's title bar.

Solution #2 is better, but creates problems if someone wants to move the window.


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