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Given the success (as far as I know) of your Dell partnership, please do everything possible to seek alliances with other vendors, as it will reinforce the idea that Ubuntu is a viable alternative to other operating systems and will provide better hardware support for current Ubuntu users.
Dell is offering new models based on Ubuntu (recently the XPS M1330 in a few countries), proof that the business model makes sense.
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jamessnell wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:47
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I completely agree! Perhaps Acer would be a good place to start. They seem to have a large focus on the lower price point machines and of course Ubuntu would be a great way of getting rid of some of the cost for them - plus I've seen them use some wireless cards that have been a bit of a pain to get configured - so this could result in improved hardware support.
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Veejay wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 01:36
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I was thinking about HP, but yeah Acer would be nice too :D
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thetictacaddict wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 01:54
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I would love to buy an HP with Ubuntu some day.
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ToyKeeper wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:19
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I also recommend an HP partnership -- both for consumer products and enterprise servers. I suppose Hardy is too close to release to add enterprise partners, but I hope an agreement with HP can be reached before the next LTS release.
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cfbauer wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:23
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Hardware vendors are household names, and being associated with a name like HP or Acer (or Dell!) provides a quick credibility booster for those who may be unfamiliar with Ubuntu and Linux.
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johnpro wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:46
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I would personally say to try to strike a deal with Lenovo. Lenovo already sells Thinkpads with Suse Linux installed on them. Plus Thinkpads are high quality machines and are very compatible with Ubuntu.
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hackel wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 03:40
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There are to aims here. One, to ensure 100% open-source hardware compatibility, is the most important.
However, a secondary goal should be to list Ubuntu among the list of operating system choices when configuring a computer for purchase. It really bothers me how you have to dig through the Dell website to find the so-called "open source PCs" which are in fact identical to their Windows counterparts. The choice should be clearly available to all users, along with the price difference.
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Vadim P. wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 05:22
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I believe Canonical is working on that as best as they can. However, we as users can also pitch in - ask for Ubuntu stores, ask in emails, letters, and so on.
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zmjjmz wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 07:44
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A partnership with Sony would be nice, I hear that VAIOs are actually rather compatible with Linux.
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Eldmannen wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 13:52
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Yes, and make the partners push for open source device drivers that will benefit the whole Linux community at large.
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say2sky wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 22:28
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If Ubuntu will be installed by manufacturer on EEE pc like small portable NB, it will reach much more new user.
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cultivatingthemind wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 00:20
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Why aren't vendors including copies of Ubuntu with there system? Because it ads a burden on them to provide support for another operating system. It will only be in there interest when there is public demand for it.
So what will increase public demand for Ubuntu? It needs to be better then Microsoft and OSX for people to make the change. Its not enough for Linux to be compatible. A lot of the free applications available for Linux are now available on other operating systems too.
I am a fan of Ubuntu and its open source, but its advantage is for programmers and not consumers at this stage. Its success depends on making partnerships with hardware vendors and media companies.
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Flymo wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 01:57
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Greetings, jamessnell, you are quite correct imho. And Acer have already done it! We have an Acer 4315 notebook with Ubuntu Gutsy pre-installed. There is (allegedly) a 15" version with DVD burner, but I've yet to see it....
It works amazingly well, however, it is not flawless! Some small nasties suggest that Canonical were *not* involved in the installation of Ubuntu. There is a reboot snafu that causes it to hang - although my own second installation of Ubuntu into another partition reboots just fine. Acer also left the BIOS set to start with a PXE boot, so it sits around doing nothing for a minute or two looking for a net boot directory before timing out. Easy to fix, but....
And TV-Out has proved resistant to our manipulations.
I'm trying to encourage Acer to press on, but it is hard to find an intelligent Acer employee here in Australia. Their tech support is sad. My fear is that they will blow their huge Ubuntu notebook opportunity through incompetence - although they must have some smart people hidden somewhere.
It's a great idea, though. This puny Celeron/X3100 with 512M of combined Video/Main RAM works amazingly well, does the business in 3D with OpenGL stuff like Amoeba, ppracer, GL117 you name it. Not quite enough RAM for X-Plane!
So you are dead right. All Acer need is a helping hand (from Canonical?) and this concept could be a raging success.
Wifi works (ndiswrapper) and so does almost everything else except T-Out. Ah well....
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tegola wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 12:24
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While i think that the advantage of using linux and transforming the firm from another producer of all the same windows capable machines to a real brand with real products is self evident. My question is: why canonical isn't in the asus eeepc? One of the first tentative of becoming a brand through products and out of the box thinking.
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shovelhead wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 12:40
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I think the problem is that MS is pushing it's proprietary OS with all force into the market. The vendor (HP, DELL, younameit) pays a tad north of nothing for the OS but can sell the computer "with 300 Euro worth of software".
If you compare the "naked" PC for 469.- or the "fully loaded Vista Home premium PC" incl. all the software that comes with the components (Cubase with the soundcard, Games with the VGA card) for 499.- - it reads like the MS-equipped PC is the better value.
It isn't - you and me know. But the vendor just wants to splash out some 1000 of them a day, and they DO look good in the ads!
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Dark Star wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 13:28
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Well It willl be gr8 for Open Source if this happens.. Dell and Ubuntu initiative is awesome,, But in many of the countries those laptops are not available.. Still in India Dell haven't launched them.. So partnership with others will create a sense of challenge and a better Open Source laptop would be out for the needy ;)
I guess partnership with Hp/Acer or Lenovo would be gr8.. Do look for local brands too like HCL in India ;)
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smitlik wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 02:24
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Acer...
In Czech Republic (and sure many other countries) Acer sells "non windows" laptops with some chinese "Linpus", which missing X, this does only black screen :-( so you need reinstalation by usable OS in every case (by Windows or another Linux).
This way Acer makes big shame for Linux between BFUs , please offer them Ubuntu!
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dracus wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 13:39
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I think we need to be careful in this regard. We don't want to get caught up in the unethical issues of Patents and cross licensing that goes on between vendors. If we can convince vendors to work with us and give us hardware specs and information on now to run the hardware fine. If we need to start conducting secret deals with them forget it. Remember we the community want to keep having a say in Ubuntu and I don't know how long that would happen for if back alley deals start getting made.
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Auzy wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 07:20
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Anyone voting for this should also vote for forking the kernel maybe. http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3843/
Because forking the kernel will allow for a stable API/ABI. Ie, companies can compile a 2 or 3 kernel module's include it on CD with the hardware and get support out of the box. At the moment, they would have to code a module for every custom kernel.
This would be one step towards better support, because they have to put less effort in to support our kernels out of the box.
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Eldmannen wrote on the 12 Mar 08 at 23:20
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Try to partner with ATI to develop a open source device driver.
Partner with Nvidia to make them release specifications.
Partner with Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer and make them point the guns at Nvidia and the wireless companies.
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nick83ola wrote on the 14 Mar 08 at 11:29
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And Toshiba? :-P I have a toshiba laptop...
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loki wrote on the 28 Mar 08 at 19:38
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Try to find partners to build Linux mediacenters (e.g. MythBuntu).
Most windows users don't use linux because they don't know the platform. Media centers and harddisk recorders in the living room are a new concept and makes linux a great candidate for it. People won't need to learn something different... They're learning something new!
The best way for linux to succeed as a gaming platform at this moment, is to get Ubuntu in the living room as a Media center (HTPC solution) or Home server. Possibly both!
Game manufactures will automatically follow to make games for linux this way. At first it will be like the Nintendo games... but it's a start! Soon other games will follow.
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kahrytan wrote on the 30 Mar 08 at 12:35
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If HP would get on board with Dell for Ubuntu based machines, it just might get Micro$oft's attention. Canonical would then nab and bring on board probably to the two much influential computer manufacturers out there.
Though, you still got the lesser ones, Gateway and Acer. But if they saw HP and Dell on board, convincing them join should be easier.
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Freiddie wrote on the 29 Jul 08 at 11:13
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HP Ubuntu, please!
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