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Idea #13571: Translation workflow and collaboration with upstream

Written by OgMacielq the 22 Sep 08 at 23:44. Category: Usability. Related project: Nothing/Others. Status: New
Rationale
Every day (literally) hundreds of translation suggestions and/or modifications are generated in Rosetta. Due to some current limitations in Rosetta, it is fairly hard for translation teams members to keep up with the flood of information or even know about contributions awaiting for review/approval. My intent is to describe a mechanism by which translation teams can better administrate the contributions sent by Rosetta users, provide useful feedback and take a first step toward a better relationship with upstream projects.

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Written by OgMacielq the 22 Sep 08 at 23:44.
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mariod wrote on the 22 Sep 08 at 23:45
Been discussing this with Og, and he has really good grasp of what translators need since he's been involved in translations for over a century or so. What, you dare to say I'm wrong?!

Laudeci wrote on the 23 Sep 08 at 01:48
Sometimes we need to do an extra work in roseta to merge some upstream translations, maybe a better method of administration would make translation's lives more easy.

andregondim wrote on the 23 Sep 08 at 03:33
We really need this!!!

Madsrh wrote on the 23 Sep 08 at 07:35
Great idea!!!
Better relationship with upstream projects is always needed

rubicon wrote on the 23 Sep 08 at 08:41
"Feedback" part in the blueprint is really important. Translators should be able to explain some of their decisions, namely uncommon translations and abbreviations.

While such global approving mechanism would improve quality, it would also slow down translation progress. I think the proposed process of committing changes should be simplified a bit.

ubuntuser wrote on the 23 Sep 08 at 11:53
Great!

Aracnus wrote on the 23 Sep 08 at 13:39
As a translator of some free softwares, I would love this. Congratulations for this idea!

gjmveloso wrote on the 24 Sep 08 at 00:34
Certainly one of the most greatest ideas!

hendi wrote on the 24 Sep 08 at 07:41
Have a look at my idea "Use upstream translations" which has 200+ votes: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/125/

Ubuntu's translations are worse than in *any* other distro.

joskulj wrote on the 24 Sep 08 at 10:53
I really appreciate your attempt to improve the translation process. Although your idea looks quite smart at the first sight your idea is much too complicated.

It's too complicated to get implemented in Rosetta and I also think it's too complicated to handle, because if you lock something you must always consider the scenario that a translator doesn't unlock the translation correctly. This would require additional admin use cases. All this together would be more complex than everything that's implemented today in Rosetta.

IMHO Rosetta suffers from the lack of much simpler features. Thinks I would like to see in Rosetta are:

(1) an automatic import of upstream translations from GNOME, KDE etc. on a regular basis (daily or weekly)

(2) a web service API to download and upload po files so translation teams can implement own synchronization scripts

(3) an option for translation teams to lock translations from being edited in Rosetta

(4) a subscribing mechanism for translations that sends me a mail each time a new contributor joins in to make suggestions. So I can contact her or him to inform her or him about our team structure, processes an priorities.


OgMacielq wrote on the 24 Sep 08 at 13:07
Hi hendi, I will definitely look at your idea as it may already contain what I want OR it could provide me with some more ideas/use cases. :)

OgMacielq wrote on the 24 Sep 08 at 13:19
Hi joskulj, thanks for your comment. The issue about locks and what not can be simplified when you add more use cases (as you had mentioned). The scenario I envision for this would be that the official members of a translation team are the ones who can unlock a translation that is taking too long (maybe the user is away?). In order to provide good quality translations, I am willing to give up "speed" for quality translations.This type of process, locking and unlocking plus marking things for review has worked extremely well for the Brazilian team, albeit we're using a different tool called Vertimus.

dnoway wrote on the 24 Sep 08 at 13:28
Very good idea!

joskulj wrote on the 24 Sep 08 at 14:57
Let me just clarify that I am totally with you: translations need reviews - there is no question about this. Your workflow addresses this very well and IMHO your workflow describes quite exactly the process we practise in our team without tool support but by having todo lists in the wiki and communicating via mailing list. Therefore I would love to see this workflow supported by Rosetta; I am just a little pessimistic if this will be implemented in Rosetta since much simpler requirements aren't implemented yet.

Furthermmore I think that we may need more than a single workflow. The workflow you set up is a good solution for Ubuntu-specific packages and documentation but besides this we need a way to keep the translations in sync with the upstream translations which should be provided automatically.

leogregianin wrote on the 23 Nov 08 at 03:54
+1

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Carparts wrote on the 13 Nov 09 at 04:32
The auto generated solution sounds like a great feature to develop. The common problem with this is that they are too standard. Can you design it for customized problems?

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I know about this brainstorm. Lol.. The process takes a lot of discussions until you finally get a solid conclusion that works for everyone.Thank you! construction industry

CattyList wrote on the 15 Nov 09 at 08:57
Good explanation about the brainstorm activity. I learned this mostly from my lecturer. It's great to refresh my memory.

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DeBritto wrote on the 16 Nov 09 at 03:57
Just wonder because it can take weeks to finish the hundreds of translation perfectly. I would have someone else creates the report for me, lol..

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Ocala Law wrote on the 20 Nov 09 at 11:47
I would say the the team members are so great to handle all the translation. There is just too much information!

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AndrewLuecke wrote on the 20 Nov 09 at 20:22
These spambots are getting out of control..

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MonyChair wrote on the 21 Nov 09 at 09:58
The idea is good. This will need a middle to big size of team to manage all the issues and evaluation, lol.. Good luck if you are going to make it real.

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AndrewLuecke wrote on the 21 Nov 09 at 14:37
Why has no mod noticed this? Are mods even actively using Brainstorm?


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