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I like Firefox because I can have extensions.
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Go Ephiphany! Full Gnome integration straight out of the box!
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Remco
wrote on the 14 Sep 08 at 20:18
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The Gnome integration is what makes me choose for Epiphany too. Power users that are used to Firefox can always install Firefox/Iceweasel/Icecat/abrowser if they wish.
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Mozilla's Firefox brand is problematic in Ubuntu because their core development does not focus on GNOME, which is a platform that works best when things integrate with it. Epiphany, on the other hand, is 100% GNOME. Thus, things work very smoothly :)
As for extensions, Epiphany does indeed have them. I believe epiphany-extensions is a package recommend now, but if not you can install that package via apt. Boom: Extensions!
Not Firefox's extensions, but useful things regardless. (Including adblock).
Besides that, I bet you less than a quarter of Firefox's users (not the vocal ones) actually care about extensions or have ever installed one.
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Ephiphany will have Webkit support soon! Screw gecko!
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Ssdg
wrote on the 14 Sep 08 at 20:59
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I never read the MPL in the past, I think this could be the right moment to do it.
Plus, if the 4 rights are granted and the only limitation is on the brand, I don't understand the problem. It's mozilla's work and it can be respected. I read window's vista's EULA when I bought my PC, and I choose not to use it more than needed. Since I need to do stuff that are forbidden by this license, I spend most of my time using linux KNOWING that if I wanted to I couldn't follow most of my linux habits using windows. I you disagree with the license then just change the package by yourself, but I love FF and I don't know why I should afford changing to another browser.
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Auzy
wrote on the 14 Sep 08 at 21:15
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DylanMcCall, so you want to bandaid the problem? Developers shouldn't have to program for gnome or KDE anyway. The same code used should be able to be used for either.
Maybe we should focus on making aspects of GTK more like QT, and vice versa. Then the apps will work regardless
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Remco
wrote on the 14 Sep 08 at 21:21
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But that's for a different idea. The Firefox-based browsers integrate with nothing at all, so that's even worse.
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This would be horrible! Epiphany doesn't even have some basic functionality! Just one example of how terrible Epiphany is: If you bookmark a website, you have to restart the browser for the bookmark to show up! Epiphany is not the way to go!
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Ooops, sorry! The thing I said about bookmarks was not in Epiphany! It's still terrible, though!
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cheiron
wrote on the 15 Sep 08 at 02:26
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@forteller
I see that reaction a lot, but what functionality that a normal user would want is lacking from Epiphany? I'm not talking about Gee-Whiz features that the technically inclined would want, but about things that average users will miss.
Heck, I'd consider myself a technically-inclined user, and theres nothing worthwhile missing from Epiphany, as far as I'm concerned. It's preferences could be expanded a little bit, but theres about:config for the advanced users who want to tweak things.
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cheiron: I had to take a look at Epiphany again when you said that, and in less than two minutes I found this lacking:
- No search box
- No drop down list in the address bar! (non-technical ppl use that a lot)
- Can't switch between tabs with Alt+Tab (don't try to teach non-techincal users to use Alt+pageup/pagedown)
- When I click the stop button the animation still keeps on going (ok, this is just a bug, not a lack of feature)
- Does not ask to remember passwords
- The address bar does not have focus when you open a new tab
If I used it for a whole day, I'm sure I'd find more..
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wolki
wrote on the 15 Sep 08 at 12:53
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> - No search box
Doesn't need one, since the Adress bar is the search bar as well. Less clutter, more space, less keyboard shortcuts to remember, and an easy way out when you try to use one of the other features from the adress ba, like autocomplete bookmarks, and it turns out you didn't bookmark them - just search instead.
> - No drop down list in the address bar! (non-technical ppl use that a lot)
Sure it has that, for URLs you've visited (ie in your browsing history), for Bookmarks (both by name and by tag), and for saved search engines. What else should it complete for?
> - Can't switch between tabs with Alt+Tab (don't try to teach non-techincal users to use Alt+pageup/pagedown)
You better try, because they will need it in almost any other application, whether GNOME or KDE. Also, you can't switch tabs in Firefox with alt-tab, that one switsches windows (similar for alt-pgup, I assume you mean control)
> - When I click the stop button the animation still keeps on going (ok, this is just a bug, not a lack of feature)
Sounds like a bug.
> - Does not ask to remember passwords
Sure it does, I have lots of them saved. Makes me wonder if your epiphany was broken somehow, since a lot of things that work don't seem to for you, and I've never experienced that.
> - The address bar does not have focus when you open a new tab
Epiphany focuses the web page you load in case you want to enter something there (think people using google as their home page). If you don't want that, use an empty home page (yes, this is not optimal).
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cor
wrote on the 15 Sep 08 at 18:42
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I believe Mark Shuttleworth said that in the next Ubuntu the goal will be a beautiful and seamless desktop experience, "better than apple".
Switching to Epiphany would be a consideration then anyway, so maybe the choice will just be made sooner.
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