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I don't think that ubuntu should participate in censorship. I think parents need to talk to their kids instead of relying on a machine to just "prevent them from seeing" information.
I think that if this were developed, then special emphasis should be put on the fact that ALL parental control systems let some things that are harmful through, and some things that could be helpful (such as breast cancer research) are blocked.
Also, emphasis should be put on parental responsibility.
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choosing your Ubuntu configuration is optional. If you dont want this then dont enable it but there are many parents who do want more control on what their kids see. And a program does help! it has nothing to do with the kid being curious and trying to see things that are none of his business when the parents are not present. I clearly see you are not a parent, but you should understand that Ubuntu is for everyone (including kids) not just technical brats like you!
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Voted down.
Sorry to parents, but I'm tired of people expecting computers and others to be responsible for the proper behavior of their children.
"Parental controls" are a joke anyway. Any teenage boy that wants to check out Internet porn can find a way around them. Wouldn't it be better to actually teach them about sex, instead of pretending it doesn't exist and they don't know anything about it?
In any case- it isn't Ubuntu's responsibility. If there aren't any "parental controls" out their for Linux, someone will write one if there is enough demand.
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I wanted to vote down BUT I can understand somebody using it.
We don't have to judge this choice. There are some situations wich using it can be very interesting.
(school, cyber center oriented for kids for exemple ?).
(bad english, sorry)
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For what it's worth, I voted up. This isn't about whether it's "right" or "wrong" to censor user accounts, it's an issue over adoption. It's also not sufficient to get all huffy and say that "parents should just talk to their kids," etc.---for one, this feature would not be limited to home computers, but would be relevant in, say, school classrooms where using a computer without parental controls would be a liability for the school district.
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I think Edubuntu should include this feature. Ubuntu, not so much.
I've said it about 10 time already with other Ideas, Ubuntu CE has on of the best parental control programs I've seen that would be perfect for this.
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Manos
wrote on the 7 May 08 at 00:08
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I think this is a great feature to have for parents.
This would be perfect for Edubuntu, like tbrminsanity said.
I agree with guyminuslife.
I don't think this idea should be based on your personal opinion on how to be a parent.
I think this discussion should be about the need by parents.
Do parents want the option to limit kids computer activity.
I'm not a parent.
When I become one, I will teach my kids on the fundamentals of the internet(Pron, goatse, etc.).
The problem is, not every parent knows how to talk to their kids about internet activity.
Most parents have never used IM, facebook, myspace, etc..
This is where the parent control helps.
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Voted up, because parents have the right to protect their children from unwanted content and using the computer too much.
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Only in Edubuntu. At home, it's the parent's responsibility to enforce rules. Parental controls are often misused as an easy 'solution to a problem'.
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dremora
wrote on the 19 Aug 08 at 20:16
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Voted down, many reasons.
Mainly because the stuff never works right, and it's a way to further not being a good parent and blaming the stuff your kid sees on the big bad internet, instead of them for wanting to see it, and yourself for being oblivious.
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Auzy
wrote on the 19 Aug 08 at 23:27
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You guys aren't looking at it the right way. Parental controls don't have to be used for parental controls, and are in fact used for many other things, such as policies to limit users to certain apps or websites easily, policies to allow the computer to be used only at certain time, and it can also be used to block connections to known dodgy websites.
An example where you may want this is kiosks, businesses, or on point of sales computers (so prevent people accessing other programs such as solitaire).
Don't look at an idea and discard it quickly. You guys SHOULD be looking at ideas, and considering what other benefits implementation will allow. In this case, the framework could allow a lot more.
Big +1.
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kiryl
wrote on the 23 Aug 08 at 07:25
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Voted up. I am a father of two children. I need such a tool! would be better if it will be available.
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inizul
wrote on the 31 Aug 08 at 09:34
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I believe that there would be interesting a time administrator (a parental TIME control) of of PC and/or an application. The objective is to control the time of use of the computer per day, and also the hours of utilization of a certain program depending on the day of the week and the hour of the day
Specify time for chat, surfing internet, working, playing ...
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is this not done in the form of deb package iplist containing iblock.
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ipblock-graphical-ip-blocker.html
iplist allows users with no or basic knowledge of iptables to filter (e.g. to block) network traffic based on (automatically updated) lists. These lists have various formats and are sorted by different categories (e.g. countries, adware, corporations).
Granted locks keep honest people out. if parental control programs are not so crash hot. then why are firewalls? one would hope they where made on the same princaples.
But you are right about get arounds. take google.com and have filter to block explicit items then go click on images and search for ubuntu calander.
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Auzy
wrote on the 2 Sep 08 at 08:02
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Umm, tommy, Parental controls aren't only the internet, thats easy to filter.
Mac OSX's control far beyond, restricting apps usage at times, amongst other things
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Parental control software that limits computer time for children. This kind of software makes sure enforcement agreed to parameters of usage are met. Schedule time effectively on the required users. Not just for the computer but could be aimed at software usage as well. So you might control use of the entire system for a user to specific times of the day not to exceed an identified time and also times for specific software. This control also has the possibility to set a custom message to be launched 5 minutes (Adjustable) before the computer is turned off. This gives a child the needed time to save his game, finish his chat session or any other thing he needs to do before the computer is turned off or the end of use of a piece of software.
On the parental side of monitoring usage would include sites visited. Software used for a number of minutes. Control on what can be downloaded and or stored.
Lastly PII (Personally identifiable information) functionality is needed for everyone who uses a PC so I think of these functionalities as a must for good home PC administration.
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inizul
wrote on the 19 Sep 08 at 21:24
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You can see =>
Timekpr - Keep control of computer usage
This program will track and control the computer usage of your kids. You can limit their daily usage and configure periods when they cannot log in.
https://launchpad.net/timekpr
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Endolith
wrote on the 29 Sep 08 at 18:09
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I would never install this, even if I had kids, but I still voted for it. Voting down issues for political reasons is stupid. Ubuntu should be able to do anything that people want it to do.
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I have kids, but my vote isn't going to count any more than anyone elses - just offering my opinions here. I'm reading this page because I was looking for an *easy* way to set up an email account for one of my kids (age 9). I don't want to give her a full gmail or yahoo account, I don't want to spend hours setting up my own email server/fetchmail solution. All I wanted was what is already offered in OS X - basically a restricted email account that would allow her to use an email client to send and receive email from family members and selected friends but not from or to anyone else.
What I'm after is different from internet content filtering which I agree doesn't work. I used firestarter for some time, but it was such a pita (especially for webkinz which uses a range of IP addresses and not a domain name), we just visually monitor usage now. The problem with email is that its targeted personal communication with your kid, not like "bad" websites which may be offensive, but aren't strangers talking to your kid directly.
It's something I want to be able to do in Ubuntu since all the kids in the house already use Ubuntu daily, have their own accounts and it has been serving every other purpose for them much better than windows ever did (especially since they can't break it! :) but soon I'm afraid it might become a deal killer. I'd hate to have to consider a Mac for them just for this one issue.
If someone already has a simple solution for this I'd love to hear it.
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djhash
wrote on the 14 Nov 08 at 07:20
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So... we are talking about kids younger than teenagers.. cause teenagers can simply put in the LiveCD and do whatever they please.
The thing is if its filtering you want, it shouldn't be done on that same computer that can be modified. Regardless of whether filtering is good enough or not.
I'm giving +1, because the benefits here can be great, and security controls can be improved too. as they say nothing is 100% fool proof, and also nothing is 100% kid proof.
My $0.02
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geneucla
wrote on the 23 Jan 09 at 23:17
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For those still interested, Mobicip.com has a beta-release of their content filtering solution available for free. While these may not be ready by the time the beta releases, we are working on portal where parents can setup time limits for applications/internet usage, see reports of websites visited, and customize the categories they would like to filter.
You can learn more at http://www.mobicip.com/netbooks
I am an employee of the company, so I stand to gain from this recommendation. However, in response to the above comments, I think that having these types of solutions as an option is valuable for parents. There are times where kids will inadvertently reach inappropriate content, so these tools can help in that regards. I agree that parental controls are not perfect substitutes, but they are a nice safety net to have. I would never buy a car for my child without an airbag; consider these tools a necessary accessory. Just my opinion.
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akgraner
(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 11 Mar 09 at 15:19
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here's my $.02
http://amber.redvoodoo.org
it's easier to read this that post the whole thing.
Just an Average User Mom view....:)
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dof
wrote on the 12 Mar 09 at 14:06
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I think it will bring more ubuntu users on board. If parents feel safer with a parental control tool, why not giving it to them? We are not here to teach parents how to raise their kids.
Makes more sense to be by default in Edubuntu and optional on the others.
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mobe
wrote on the 15 Mar 09 at 22:29
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We should put aside the heavy-handed name -- "Parental Control" and instead pay attention to what a valuable framework this idea could represent to Linux on the desktop. It could help children and adults be more productive by allowing users an easy way to set limits on the usage of applications, communications, and websites. Imagine setting up a time block in which only a chosen set of colleagues could instant message you while non-work friends were sent a user-definable away message. Or if you work better sporadically throughout the day, being able to define a rule that lets you access your favorite flash game site for no more than 30 minutes per day, but in small chunks whenever you like. Or being able to limit the usage of locally installed games to certain time periods.
This whole "User control vs. self control" debate is beside the point. User control is self control. Having a framework where parents can set limits for children encourages parents to pay attention to what their children are doing and the act of setting limits for yourself reinforces the importants of sticking to them even though it would be easy to cheat.
Will there be parents who try to use the technology as a substitute for actually keeping an eye on their kids? Yes, of course. But if we're going to exclude any software that could potentially be used to make poor choices then we should get rid of all network auditing tools, digital and physical media publishing tools, p2p networking tools, disk copying tools . . . you get the point.
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Ideally such a feature could work with the ratings already built into media such as TV streams, DVD's, and games. A standard for embedding a rating in Internet media (esp. video streams), and Linux games would be really helpful.
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Lets be clear, parents don't only have a right to protect their children they have a duty to. Without parental controls Ubuntu does not enable parents to effectively protect their children, and therefore fulfil their duties as responsible guardians. Of course we can talk to our kids and advise them of what's best, and of course they will listen and do exactly as we say, just as we all did at that age. Or we could just sit on their shoulder and watch their doing all day.
This isn't about censorship, its about control and responsible parenting. Just as the Tv is set to prevent inadvertent access to inappropriate material and the wii has age limits set, The family PC needs the same level if not greater control due to the amount of easily accessible inappropriate material. This doesn't need debating, just implementing.
If it isn't then parents will always pick Mac OS / Windows over Ubuntu because they, at least, offer some protection that is simple to use and set up. Parents don't have free time to install and configure a dozen different packages.
I would opt for this going into Edubuntu it just makes more sense here.
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djhash, they can only put in the livecd if you haven't bios disabled it, password protected the bios or even removed the drive completely. Live CD usage can easily be stopped.
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Ability to set time limits on a user basis would be great. The internet can be so addictive!
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time controls voted absolutely! i do shift work and boy a genius geek. however he needs to eat, participate in household, do school work etc. talk as i may this is only tool i have that works. web site stuff we talk about and so far his main interest is art and programing and tech stuff, but his main job still is jumping through hoops for the man to get to a place where his dreams can be realized. he will not turn it off on his own.
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oh and yes i will not download ubuntu without such a tool.
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Voted up, not because it is not needed, but it is an optional available for those who want it. We shouldn't deny what people want. After all, it's their choice. I completely understand from both sides, but feel that one should not deny the other.
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juum
wrote on the 11 Dec 11 at 07:06
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