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Greyor
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:39
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Absolutely. As much as I hate Flash, it is useful in some situations. I'd prefer using a free implementation rather than a proprietary one; and running it 32-bit wrapped is never good (I'm 64-bit as well).
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Remmy
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:47
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I was playing around with some of the latest code form SVN the other day and I'm seeing some improvements coming down the line, but it is still a far cry off from the official player. I think this is a wonderful idea.
It seems much more logical than ever hoping Adobe will ever open the official player up.
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I'll add my 'me too' here. As much as I dislike flash and find it a major annoyance, it is sometimes foisted unavoidably on us.
However, better support ought to include work to get major services like Youtube away from non-Free formats.
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Ferk
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 09:24
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A free Flash player is doable and very needed
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Amen, then we can finally get 64bit support.
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Tom Mann
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 12:03
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As MarshallBanana, 64bit support :)
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I don't like proprietary web content, however flash is widely used, since it's the only (reasonable) way to play videos in a browser.
I want to have flash support out of the box, I don't care weather it's the adobe plugin or gnash, as long as it works.
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Might be worth looking at swfdec too.
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We should also keep an eye on the new Adobe Flex stuff (I assume/hope Silverlight will be another dead-end from MS). Don't want to fall behind, nor wind up without 64-bit support as it happened with flash.
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tioum
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 15:11
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This is a big topic. I have installed a pc for someone and was happy with video and sound but the next week he came beacause youtube would not load. Basic user, basic needs bur not the basic installation option ? How is it possible one makes proprietary formats on internet ?? Does it mean youtube has to change or ubuntu has to change ?
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If you want Flash fixed, this probably would appeal to you too: "I would donate a Dollar for a FREE fully-featured FLASH plugin" http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1895/
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This is just a test if this tool does handle "idea #number" the way launchpad handles "bug #number".
idea #1869: Let's count how many people want Adobe to fix Flash
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OK, it does not. Another idea then.
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Although this isn't really an Ubuntu idea, there certainly could be a push for stronger support and integration. On that basis, I'm voting this up. However, every time I've used Gnash so far, it has been buggy and not displayed things properly, things that need to be fixed before it is included. I'm using the AMD64 distribution, don't know if that has anything to do with it.
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madjr
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 13:30
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The slowness is caused by flash 9,0,0,115 and all the new dumb stuff they implemented. Also, the so called hardware acceleration doesn't work. Thanks adobe for all your buggy linux product releases... the just keep getting worse yay...
the solution is to re-install flash 9,0,0,48
go to
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_14266
download the archived file
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/installers/archive/fp9_archive .zip
double click the installer and when asked open it in a terminal, follow the instructions.
another way could be to run firefox and flash in wine. The latest flash has some ripping issues, maybe older versions for windows might work better. It's sad to have to install a windows version of a program on linux, because the native version sux and buggy as hell in comparison...
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garett
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 20:36
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mikedep333: I have had Youtube and Google Analytics crash Firefox. Flashblock is ok for sites with random Flash ads but it's still a pain in the ass when you enable Youtube's flash player and Firefox crashes, or the flash plugin crashes and you have to restart Firefox.
My wife actually went back to Windows because of Flash issues alone. Our kids were purchased these stuffed animals called "Webkinz" for Christmas that tie into a "virtual online pet" but the site is entirely flash-based (you can knock them for that but I don't see how they could have implemented their system any differently, it's one of those cases where Flash is a necessary evil). It works very poorly in Firefox/Linux.
So like it or not, the web is going more Flash-based and more and more Windows users are coming to expect usage from Flash-based sites like Youtube, Google Analytics not to mention all of the online game sites that are implemented in Flash.
I know we all hate Flash but unfortunately the reality is that this is actually something that can kill Linux on the desktop.
So yes. Either pour money into getting Gnash 100% implemented or find a way to give Adobe financial incentive to get the official player up to snuff. A big "YES" vote from me here.
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ethana2
wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 07:12
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Gnash must be default on LiveCD's and fresh installations until replaced by Flash. If a flash file it can't handle is found, it should notify you that you need Flash to play it because it can't yet.
Voted up.
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Flash is evil. But since youtube and other nice sites use it we need a free implementation of it. Adobes own flash player blows chunks. It has all the needed features but its performance is horrible. If I idle www.youtube.com for a while I can hear my computer rev up its fans, without even playing any videos!
With Gnash we can have the advantage of flash support out of the box, not even Windows has that :)
Voted up!
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Gnash will ever be incomplete in comparison to Flash (beacuse it is re-engineering)
The true solution should be to avoid flash like Apple does with Iphone.
With Totem 2.22 & YouTube browser plugin, you can navigate through youtube videos without your browser and then without having flash
What about having other plugins (dailymotion...)
and encourage the use of HTML5 element ?
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arkara
wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 21:25
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flash should be defaul installed but
it is not fully developed...
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
vent your anger here
blogs.adobe.com
Trust me, everything else is just a waste of time.
because
ubuntu is not going to fix that problem
and firefox won't fix it either.
it's up to Adobe, and let's make it worthwhile and let's post a hurricane of complaints, so they won't forget about us linux users in the future.
Thanks for reading
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atrus
wrote on the 25 Apr 08 at 17:29
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Gnash getting proper support for most flash ( in particular you tube videos) would get us into a state where we could solve the huge flash+pulseaudio storm people are starting to hit in hardy now.
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dracus
wrote on the 1 Sep 08 at 15:22
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+1 Gnash is awesome. I use it as my main flash player. Gnash is really close to having full functionality. According to the creator of the project they could finish in less then a year with just a few more developers. Adobe free spec is a joke because the disclosed all the things that people had already figure out or reverse engineered. So it really does us no good.
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dracus
wrote on the 11 Sep 08 at 11:21
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looking for more information on why to support Gnash and just how cool this project is visit this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE lets make a better player then adobe!!! then adobe will go the way of IE did with browsers. who wants to use IE everyone wants Fire Fox or some derivative of FF.
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Auzy
wrote on the 11 Sep 08 at 11:30
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Gnash is garbage, just like flash. It will ALWAYS be behind flash. Yes we should support it, but we should be prioritising a flash replacement which exclusively uses SVG/AJAX/JS, so that a player isn't needed.
It would be best to get the people wasting time working of polishing a flash player, when we need a CREATOR that uses open technologies.
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Auzy
wrote on the 11 Sep 08 at 11:32
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Btw, it would be better if people didn't need a plugin at all. Using open technologies eliminates the need for a plugin, and the people who normally would work on the player, can instead work on optimising the browsers.
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I totally agree, flash is soooo annoying and bloaty, it's quite bad. I also have it where it will occasionally crash after viewing a youtube video and closing the FF tab. I do like free & open-source things.
Everything should be free, and we should try to make common things free, another example would be graphics card drivers, which proprietary always suck, ATI's are terrible especially.
-Sorry, off-topic.
+1 (and a half, because it's that great of an idea)
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ubuntu developers, please give us working flash (or gnash or whatever you want to call it) and stop screwing us, please!
anyone who tells me to try this-and-that will get punched in the face.
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Auzy
wrote on the 28 Sep 08 at 01:12
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Its more important at this time martin, to make it possible for flash coders, to output their files as HTML/JS/SVG. At the moment, its not possible for developers to use anything other then flash. Thats the problem.
So if we waste time on making a player, many more flash files will be released in the meantime. But if we instead work on a flash raw file to SVG/whatever converter, developers will have a way to release files that don't need the player, so we will stop the upward trend of flash usage.
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I've been a Flash animator and developer for over ten years now. It's a nice format, and handy for animation of all kinds and video work. It's also big in the training field (have you seen salasaga?) too - Flash is *much* bigger than web pages. It also has a huge free and open source community.
Look at ToonBoom, FlashDevelop or some of the things on the http://osflash.org/ site.
In my view, for Gnash to work as a project it really, badly needs an IDE that can create graphical .swfs and a GNOME port of the FlashDevelop project. (The Flash community is split between actionscripters and animators, with an overlap in the middle that do both).
If Gnash had it's own IDE it would encourage Flash developers to switch to Linux and to experiment with things like SVG. It would also put pressure on Adobe to implement SVG properly in Flash.
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