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Contributor yman on the Installation category

Is it time to leave *.deb for *.rpm?  
Written by Martin1980 the 20 Feb 09 at 15:33. Related project: Synaptic package manager. Won't implement
I read the news that Intel leaved Ubuntu for Fedora in their development of Moblin 2. The biggest reason to do that was the packagemanager RPM that Intel thought was better.

Maybe even Ubuntu has a reason to change from *.deb to *.rpm?
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Solution #1: Is it time to leave *.deb for *.rpm?
Written by Martin1980 the 20 Feb 09 at 15:33.
I read the news that Intel leaved Ubuntu for Fedora in their development of Moblin 2. The biggest reason to do that was the packagemanager RPM that Intel thought was better.

Maybe even Ubuntu has a reason to change from *.deb to *.rpm?
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Solution #2: Create better tools to install .rpm's in ubuntu
Written by twocool the 21 Feb 09 at 13:12.
Create better tools to install .rpm's in ubuntu. For example a GUI tool that automatically converts rpm's to deb and installs the deb file.
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Solution #3: Improve .deb packaging instead of swithing to RPM
Written by Robutux the 21 Feb 09 at 13:46.
Improve .deb package system so the next time around, Intel will have the reason to choose .deb over RPM because it'll be better ;)

Find out the weaknesses of .deb and address them. What is it that makes RPM better packaging system?
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Solution #4: Work together Red Hat, FreeDestop to join funcionality
Written by fcsonline the 22 Feb 09 at 17:04.
It would be interesting to work with Red Hat, other distributions and FreeDesktop to find a standard way to install packages and in the future join funcionality of RPM, deb, emerge ...
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Solution #5: Improve Alien and make a GUI for it
Written by Primož Papič the 22 Feb 09 at 18:17.
I tried to install Arora Qt web browser in .rpm I used Alien to convert it to .deb, but when I tried to install it nothing happened.
So I propose that Alien is somehow incorporatet in GDebi (the installer of .deb packages) so that it converts and installs any (not only .rpm) packages on the fly.
So that even if you have only a source-code in tar.gz2 it would still be installed with GDebi with one simple click.
there's no need to change package managers and packages just because .rpm is supposedly more popular one.

Yes this solution is just a more specific version of #2.
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Solution #6: Allow installation of pure-data packages into custom locations
Written by viraptor the 24 Feb 09 at 15:16.
Allow installing of pure-data packages (probably also architecture independent), into places specified by the user.

For example:
If someone wanted to create a quake package, allow developer to make the quake-data directory-independent and create a symlink from /usr/share/quake (or other directory) to the target one.
dpkg should keep track of both the symlink and real site in the database.
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Solution #7: Allow to install rpm packages and let Ubuntu do the "alien" procedure
Written by askander the 4 Mar 09 at 15:27.
Ubuntu should have an application (could be "on demand" or a "stand by" one) that can detect when a rpm package is being used and create a virtual platform so the package can be installed like is in a red hat based distribution, and when finished, do the proper arrangments to fit the debian (ubuntu) based structure, without user intervention. Somehow like WINE with *.exe files, when you double-click an exe file on nautilus, wine starts automatically and start the proper emulation.
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Solution #8: Enhance build services to make this less relevant, then enhance package format
Written by Craig73 the 20 Mar 09 at 19:31.
Focus on the tools first. Developers should be able to easily create one package, and the build service then auto builds an RPM or DEB targeted at the more popular distributions. [Something along the lines of OpenSUSE's build service]

[Such a platform could also theoretically offer a secure build service for non-FOSS vendors to leverage. With a little automation perhaps allow users to request unofficial auto-built packages for non-supported distributions and partially exposed build scripts to allow tweaks]

Then, with packages built for all, it should allow easier enhancement or merging of packaging standards... which with packagekit the end user would be none the wiser.

[I recognize there are inconsistencies in packaging naming, a centralized lookup table to map package names to a common name would be necessary.]
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Solution #9: A package directory
Written by yman the 4 Apr 10 at 12:26.
Get as many distributions and companies together as possible to create a standard package naming scheme. Create a directory of package names for existing packages. There will also be more things that would need to be standardizes, like where the files go on the system.

Each project will be offered to have vanilla packages of it's software hosted in it's own repository on the package directory's server. This will provide users with a one-stop-shop for all their software needs, regardless of distribution, and free distributions to deal only with customized packages. Non-customized packages can simply be pulled from the directory, or their repository can be included by the distribution or or something.

The directory will have to support paid applications, screenshots, and user reviews. It will also be good if it provided some easy way to automatically build packages in multiple formats for multiple hardware architectures.

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Ruby on rails by default  
Written by timoteobrasil.wordpress.com the 29 Feb 08 at 22:31. Global category: Installation. Won't implement
Ruby is growing language, that has many adepts. Ubuntu should come with ruby on rails installed by default.
PS: I'm not very good in writing in English...
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Solution #1: Auto-generated solution of idea #1897
Written by timoteobrasil.wordpress.com the 29 Feb 08 at 22:31.
Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #1897 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

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Install / Uninstall programs as in windows  
Written by ibairg the 29 Feb 08 at 09:26. Global category: Installation. Already implemented
The Synaptic package manager is fine, but if I give a programme of ubuntu in a CD, and has units etc., there is always a problem, it would have to be double click and you are, and to remove the same, as in Windows.
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Solution #1: Auto-generated solution of idea #1173
Written by ibairg the 29 Feb 08 at 09:26.
Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #1173 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

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Include an IRC client in the installation  
Written by Estesark the 29 Feb 08 at 02:28. Global category: Installation. Already implemented
I was a new user to Ubuntu just a few days ago, and as soon as I ran into trouble, I turned to the IRC channel on Freenode. It is an invaluable resource for getting help in the situations that a search engine, the Ubuntu help wiki and the forums don't cater for - particularly if you don't know exactly what it is you need to be asking and require real-time support.

For this reason, it surprises me that an IRC client isn't included in Ubuntu by default, especially considering there is a GNOME version of XChat already. It wouldn't necessarily have to be XChat, but it does seem an obvious solution. It could even be configured to connect to #ubuntu on Freenode by default. openSUSE had a similar feature for their channel, and it was such a relief to stumble upon help in that manner when I had no idea what to do back then.
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Solution #1: Auto-generated solution of idea #517
Written by Estesark the 29 Feb 08 at 02:28.
Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #517 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

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Graphical OS installer that actually works reliably  
Written by elanthis the 28 Feb 08 at 18:15. Global category: Installation. Implemented
The LiveCD installer is slow - horrendously slow - and unreliable. The only meaningful difference between the LiceCD installer the old graphical installer is that the LiveCD installer takes forever to boot, fails to work on a far wider range of hardware, crashes more often, and lets users get a very bad first taste of Linux.

The alternative installer is also buggy and fails too often, probably due to getting far less testing. About 50% of the systems I try to use the LiveCD installer on fail, and about 25% of the systems I try to use the alternative installer fail. These exact same systems could install older versions of Ubuntu with the old installer just fine, and can install Fedora, FreeBSD, and Windows XP just fine. The new installers Ubuntu has been using are utter crap.

Please reinstate the primary preferred install medium to be a regular graphical installer like every other sane OS uses, one that actually works reliably and without requiring 6+ minutes just to boot the CD, and relegate the LiveCD to the useless gimmick bag where it belongs.

Developer comments
In Hardy you can install without booting into the Live environment.
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Selected solution (#1): Auto-generated solution of idea #117
Written by elanthis the 28 Feb 08 at 18:15.
Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #117 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

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