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New users tell that Ubuntu is slow (live sessions)  
Written by zwyber the 8 Mar 09 at 19:55. Related project: Live CD. Won't implement
I tell my friends and family about Ubuntu and most of them come back telling me that Ubuntu makes their PC run very slow. They didn't know that you had to install Ubuntu to get the true speed.

I think that many people may encounter this problem, because when you run a live session it really just looks like it is installed. Because of the speed these users don't want to use Ubuntu and tell everyone they know that it is very slow.
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Solution #1: Show (extra) notification.
Written by zwyber the 8 Mar 09 at 19:55.
Very plain and simple, show a (extra) notification, telling the user that they are running in a live session and that Ubuntu runs very slow now.

Why extra? If Ubuntu developers are going to create a welcome screen where they put this information some people are not going to read this. Just a small dialogue after the welcome screen has been closed would be nice.

OR

Put the message in the default wallpaper, easier but not really the best solution.
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Solution #2: Live CD Cloud
Written by kidmodify the 9 Mar 09 at 02:07.
Use a Live CD "Cloud" if the computer is connected to the Internet to help increase speed. That way you have two sources of incoming data, the CD, and the Web.
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Solution #3: Use multiple CD Drives if possible
Written by kidmodify the 9 Mar 09 at 02:14.
Some computers have more than one CD drive. Make it possible to use for example two disk drives each with an ubuntu CD. This could (as far as I know) double the speed, depending on the drive speeds.
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Solution #4: (Pre)cache executables on CD agressively
Written by the 13 Mar 09 at 12:24.
Cache the executable files on the CD very agressively.
Cache the data files a lot less.
If there's a lot of RAM, precache executable files, if possible all of them.
This will make the use of the CD (or a slow HD) a lot faster.
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Solution #5: Grub option to load into memory
Written by scubanator87 the 13 Mar 09 at 13:45.
Some live CDs (like puppy for instance) have the option to load the OS into memory.

Provided there is enough RAM (2GB?) Allow users the option to load the OS into memory and to continue to boot from there.
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Solution #6: Don't run Compiz in LiveCD
Written by sci-fi guy the 16 Mar 09 at 23:08.
Maybe integrate a checkbox to turn it on with Solution #1 above.
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Solution #7: Notify During OS Boot
Written by Basem the 22 Mar 09 at 08:54.
While booting the OS, add a line that says "Enjoy ubuntu in full speed by installing it"
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Solution #8: As #1, keep notification visible
Written by euxneks the 26 Mar 09 at 19:01.
I like the idea of letting them know that they are using a LiveCD on the desktop - we should also have interaction with it so that a user can get an idea of what a LiveCD is and why it's slower than the real system.

Once they close this, allow them the ability to open it again.
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Solution #9: Most users don't need all programs in live session
Written by ahsaeed the 29 Mar 09 at 16:11.
When I use Ubuntu in live session i don't wont to play games for example .. and some users do..
So..
i recommend to add another option to the boot menu as an advanced option..
"select programs to load during live sessions " .

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Solution #10: Insert USB to improve performance
Written by sanketmedhi the 2 Apr 09 at 11:23.
Everyone might not have 2 GB of RAM but everyone has a USB drive. Live sessions booted from CDs can be cached onto USB storage for improved performance.
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Solution #11: Promote bootable USB
Written by sanketmedhi the 2 Apr 09 at 11:51.
Bootable USB images should be promoted rather than live CDs. Bootable USB drives can be prepared using software such as the one showed on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick . Alternatively, the software that runs on Windows when an Ubuntu live CD is inserted should include such a functionality.
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Solution #12: fast live session
Written by Dorje the 2 Apr 09 at 22:10.
like solution #9 add an option to deselect unnecessary programmes and also give the percentage increase each unselection generates .
like for eg.
deselecting games =increase in speed 10%
and so on

PS:i don't know much about programmes so i dont know how much speed gain every (possible)deselection will generate
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Solution #13: Use UnionFS to our advantage
Written by deriamis the 4 Apr 09 at 18:40.
Since the majority of load times is in late-linking the libraries, why not have the often-used libraries in a ramdisk and use UnionFS to overlay those files on a path? In combination with pre-caching (#4), this could be a significant speed boost. If we combine it with using a LiveUSB distro (#11), we could be on par with the performance of the computer itself.
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Solution #14: Add an option to create a live-usb from the autorun menu of the cd
Written by pepperpupper the 5 Apr 09 at 12:47.
Add an option for creating a live-usb to the autorun menu that pops up when mounting or inserting the cd/iso. Many people will use daemon-tool or similar to mount the cd in Windows, and if they see an option to create a live-usb from the popup menu, that would be a way of making it easier for everyone to do so.
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Solution #15: Offer a tool for creating a live-usb in occasion with the download link
Written by pepperpupper the 5 Apr 09 at 12:54.
The title is self-descriptive. This would be another way of making it easier for people to find out about the possibility of creating a live-usb.
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Solution #16: Instead of notification write it in the background.
Written by ll the 6 Apr 09 at 03:52.
A modified background that includes a warning can be used instead of a notification. Many computers at universities that are meant for multiple users use the background to communicate a special procedure especially in libraries for catalogue searches. This will decrease confusion and not use as many resources as a notification (I assume).
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Solution #17: Install Ubuntu natively from within Windows
Written by pepperpupper the 7 Apr 09 at 14:14.
Make it possible to install a native Ubuntu installation from within Windows to another partition than the one running Windows from or to an USB-memory key, making it easier to install Ubuntu without having to boot into live mode.
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Solution #18: Calc & disp speed-up performance on log-out based on sys's characteristics
Written by lackscr8ivity the 7 Apr 09 at 14:25.
When running the live session I would guess the memory, processor, hard disk read/write speed (maybe not this one), etc. system hardware & performance are evaluated.
As well, when running a program (game, OpenOffice, etc.) the CD read/write & load time could stored. Thus, when the user ends the live session, in the log-out window list some statistics: "These are the 5 programs you used the most:
From the live CD it took X-amount of real-time to load, but based on your system's hardware, if this were installed, we would expect it would X% faster."
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Solution #19: disabeling unnecessary services for the live-cd
Written by moose the 14 Apr 09 at 08:08.
So the live-cd shouldn't start services which are not neccessary for testing ubuntu (as some people use the live-cd as a secure system, services like cups are neccessary):

# anachron, atd, cron: I never used a live-cd longer than six hours - why should I create a cronjob?
# acpid, acpi-support, apmd, powernowd, powernowd.early: If I use the live-cd, I want to test if my hardware works and if the software fits my expections, not if the sleep option works.
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Solution #20: Solution #1 but sooner
Written by Ssdg the 29 Apr 09 at 11:25.
My idea would be to tell it on the first screen (the one that offers you to test, install, etc...).

Like:
Try ubuntu without
Install on your hard drive for better performances
...

not by demoting the live CD mode, but by promoting the installation.

I'm not in advertisement, but ubuntu will look much better.
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Solution #21: Make user choose when downloading Ubuntu
Written by chareos the 6 May 09 at 14:08.
Make the Ubuntu download to be an EXE file which lets user choose to create a LiveCD (with performance warning here) OR a LiveUSB.

Also, a performance warning on LiveCD boot itself would be great !
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Solution #22: Load LiveCD into temporary file
Written by Avantarius the 10 May 09 at 09:42.
For systems with 1 GiB RAM or less, where solution #5 can't be applied, load the content of the CD in a virtual file system which could be located in a file on the computer's harddisk, i.e. create file on a existing ntfs-partition, an unpartitioned space or even use the m$-windows-swapspace.
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Solution #23: Put a note into the loading screen
Written by Kver the 16 May 09 at 20:51.
When a live cd shows the loading bar, there's plenty of time for a message such as "Loading and running content from this DVD will result in slow performance, and changes or customizations will not be saved."
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Solution #24: Use the new notification system
Written by aroach31291 the 22 Oct 09 at 17:19.
Firstly, I think that many of the solutions above are solving the wrong problem. People that try out Ubuntu may think that it is installed by just inserting the CD. The user may have no idea that they are using a LiveCD. After they discover that Ubuntu is "slow", they give up and reboot back into Windows. Notifying the user that they haven't installed Ubuntu yet would be the best way to solve this problem.

Utilize the new notification system. Have it simply display a message when the desktop has finished loading similar to:

Ubuntu is not installed yet! Feel free to use Ubuntu before installing it, but beware that it may be a little slow. If you like what you see click the install icon on your desktop!
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Solution #25: Show notification when system is waiting for CD drive
Written by mikko.rantalainen the 7 Oct 10 at 06:45.
Live session from USB/flash memory should be pretty okay even today but the real problem is accessing files from optical drive. Even there, the problem is latency, usually not the bandwidth.

The live session should run a small background service that displays a notification message when system is waiting for CD drive to access required data. The message could be along the line "Reading data from CD (installing on the hard drive would improve performance)" [however, the label should not claim to be reading CD if one is booting from e.g. usb memory stick]. The notification should be displayed if read command has waited in disk scheduler queue for more than a second.

This could be extended to deal with installed system, too. It would make sense to point out bottlenecks in the system to the user. If the system feels slow and a notification pops up that says "Waiting for disks (installing a fast SSD drive would improve performance)" would give a reasonable hint to the user which hardware upgrade would help the most. This could be even further extended and a similar notification should pop up if all CPU cores have been taken for more than 5 seconds ("Waiting for processor (upgrading the processor would improve performance)").

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Better install experience  
Written by yookoala the 11 Mar 09 at 07:17. Global category: Installation. Implemented
While I was installing Jaunty, I can't help but thinking if we can get a better installation experience. It start with a plain idea, and I think many of you might have your own suggestion.

Developer comments
I accidentally deleted the "make the installation full screen" suggestion. Apologies, that was not intentional. As of Ubuntu 9.04, the desktop installer already goes full screen when the "Install Ubuntu" option is selected from the CD boot menu. We have no plans to make the installer full screen when running the installer from the live CD desktop (when "Try or Install Ubuntu" is selected) because we want to encourage people to use the live system.

Regarding the slideshow suggestions. This has been a feature we've been trying to nail down for a few releases. Unfortunately it would be best accomplished by the desktop experience team, and they were too busy this release to work on it, so it has been deferred to 9.10.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquitySlideshow has the 9.04 discussion, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/Slideshow has the discussions that occurred before that.
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Selected solution (#1): Play some music during installation
Written by yookoala the 11 Mar 09 at 07:17.
As title. It can be some short, simple melody that can be looped. I think I'd feel better if I have something to listen while watching the progress bar grows.

It would be better if user can mute this music at the installer interface.
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Selected solution (#2): Show more about ubuntu
Written by hemanth.hm the 11 Mar 09 at 17:07.
Show more about ubuntu , like what ubuntu means ? How it grew ? What all can be done with it ? so on ...in the background as it is installed , also provide an option to hide the info if the user already knows it and is not interested :)
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Selected solution (#4): Add an option to shutdown the PC when done installing
Written by the 13 Mar 09 at 09:45.
So I can start the installation friday at work at 16:45, answer the questions, set the checkbox "shutdown the PC when installation has been finished" and go home for the weekend.

On monday I start the PC, and have a freshly installed PC.
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Selected solution (#6): Show a mini tutorial during installation.
Written by kgamer the 15 Mar 09 at 09:08.
This is a feature that Windows has had since 95. All it is is it shows how windows in 'good' and how it improves over the previous version. This way, users know what the advantages are of the version, and how to use it.

It's mainly a solution aimed at new users.
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Selected solution (#7): Show a video about Free Software, and the history of GNU/Linux
Written by jamesmcm the 15 Mar 09 at 12:14.
This would be good in educating users about what they are using and why it is important. A tutorial would also be handy. Perhaps see if you can distribute the Ubuntu Pocket Guide and Free Software, Free Society for free with it.
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Selected solution (#9): Asks more question
Written by Lachu the 17 Mar 09 at 16:33.
I now, that probably many people hate this idea.

In my opinion, we should allow user to select wallpaper or theme. It can be done during installation(copying files). When install process was done and user answer to all question, we can close look&fell creator and copying additional files.

The conception looks like: we start copying files, so we open additional dialog.
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Selected solution (#10): Already start using Ubuntu while the system is being installed
Written by adaniels the 18 Mar 09 at 13:39.
You can use the Ubuntu right from the Live CD/USB-drive.

It should be possible to install Ubuntu on the system in the background while the user is simply already using Ubuntu directly from the Live disk.

When the installation completes display the normal request to restart the system. On restart, the data from the temporary home directory is copied to the final home directory of the user.
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Selected solution (#11): Get answers to questions from existing installations
Written by hdhfm the 18 Mar 09 at 21:58.
Offer to get the answers from an existing installation (previous version or other desktop like KDE) on the same machine or from another already perfectly installed machine.

The second one could be like "go to the Ubuntu PC to be cloned, insert a USB stick, click on System/Administration/Get System Configuration, when the the file is created, take the USB stick and insert it in the PC on which Ubuntu should be installed" The rest is done automatically. Maybe even including that the same programs are installed and personal settings and home directory are copied.
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Selected solution (#13): Add a menu to enable/disable the programs to install
Written by lqtdc the 20 Mar 09 at 19:49.
Ubuntu comes with a lot of programs. No everybody install all programs.
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Selected solution (#14): Offer games for the user to play.
Written by jackmcslay the 21 Mar 09 at 01:03.
Konami has done a lot of this on games that have considerably long load times, so why not?

When it starts copying files, open up a menu with the games that are installed on Ubuntu by default.

This way the user actually HAS something to do while the installation takes place
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Selected solution (#16): Extension to #2 and #6
Written by James_Lochhead the 22 Mar 09 at 05:11.
Just to add a little. I think that should be more of a tutorial on Ubuntu and its features rather than information on history.

I do not feel that the user documentation is friendly enough yet for people with low computing ability and this would be an ideal place to teach them some of the basics.

Good things to introduce could be:

1) The basic user interface.

2) Each of the major applications (such as Firefox, OO etc). For example, "By default Ubuntu has the Firefox web browser installed. Firefox is an open source application produced by the Mozilla Corporation." Along with a few slides showing Firefox and its location.

4) Package management. The Add/Remove programs tool would be probably be the best idea here. Although I think some mention of the Synaptic as an alternative should be made.

5) The root user. Many people find this confusing when first switching over. A short explanation of the root user and its benefits would be a good idea.

6) Links to further information? For example, the Ubuntu forums and that e-book on Ubuntu.

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Selected solution (#17): Video or minimise
Written by Basem the 23 Mar 09 at 05:25.
Either show the video of Mandela talking about Ubuntu, or hide the installer in the notification area and notify the user that he/she can use Ubuntu while the installer is running in the background.
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Selected solution (#19): Kernel selector
Written by afisamuleal the 23 Mar 09 at 23:29.
Similar to solution #13, I would like to have been able to install the rt kernel. A menu or menu you can choose to view that would choose from a couple non-standard kernels or allow you to patch them before install would be cool.
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Selected solution (#20): Do all the other things and download updates in the background
Written by t4ggs the 24 Mar 09 at 08:54.
...it's better downloading the updates while the installation...cause u r not using your computer anyway.\

its really annoying that after the installation finished and you want to use your computer, u have to download all the updates.
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Selected solution (#21): One-click install
Written by cousteau the 30 Mar 09 at 20:24.
Show a screen with a default/autodetected config summary, so the future user only needs to check if it's ok, enter a username and a password and click Install.
Options could be individually configured if the user wants to (e.g. change the locales, select which programs will be installed, use manual partitioning, etc... each one with its own config screen).
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Selected solution (#22): Interactive slideshow/presentation
Written by mydoghasworms the 31 Mar 09 at 07:13.
Normally, slideshows are static. It would be nice to provide an interactive presentation for the user to have a choice as to what they can learn about. E.g. present a few points and say "click here to learn more", so they can choose to see what interests them.
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Selected solution (#23): Offer to seek out wider packages/drivers
Written by jamesisin the 4 Apr 09 at 19:11.
One problem that I have run into in installing Ubuntu is that sometimes I would like to install the desktop software onto (former) server hardware. That is often not possible due to differing drivers being included on the desktop version and the server version.

Could it be possible to have the installer carry a wider array of drivers to cover more installation types and then be able to download other necessary drivers during its installation process?

(This relates to solution 19 above.)
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Selected solution (#24): Add selection of units and paper size.
Written by ll the 6 Apr 09 at 03:15.
Allow the user to select the units (metric vs. imperial) and paper size (A4 vs. that other size) they want to use by default similar to the keyboard. I know that not all software will follow this selection but it would be a start. This could be in an advanced tab like grub install options.

I just hate having it default to imperial units because I select USA as my place of residence. Ordinarily I would say just to force everyone to use metric and be done with it but that is not in the spirit of Linux so I will settle for letting the user choose. But I at least want the choice.
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Selected solution (#25): Ability to install applications along with the base-system
Written by André Rantzow the 25 May 09 at 23:43.
I would like to see a step in the installation-process where the user could select packages to install from the repositories. Then just about everything would be ready for them when they log in the first time.
It would also be nice if ubuntu cleaned out packages it don't need. Or let the more advanced users deselect the stuff in the base-system that they don't want. Video-drivers and such could also be searched for during the installation and installed if the user wants to.
There should also be a button that would enable audio and video-codecs from the start, instead of going through the trouble of installing them later on.
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Selected solution (#26): Give the user more options: Standard install, minimal install, advanced install
Written by billdotson the 7 Oct 09 at 14:49.
Open Source is all about choice so let the user have as many options as he/she wants.

Have one screen with three options:

Standard install: "This is the default setup."
does what it does now.

Advanced install: "Take full control of your operating system. Choose programs you want, color scheme, or anything that you want" gives the user the choice to install certain programs, choose desktop background, etc. Have a prompt that says "What do you want to do on your operating system?" The user could type in music (or any other keyword) and the installer would bring up a list of available music programs, ranked by popularity. Give the user a choice between window managers, file managers, etc.

Minimal: already implemented but it must be off to the side somewhere, I didn't even know about it. Maybe a minimalist that gives you the CLI version and gives you the option of putting xfce or something else light on top of it. The last time I figured out how to do a minimal install with 6.06 it was a pain to add X window/GUI functionality.
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Selected solution (#27): Replace older version with new
Written by zil the 5 Dec 09 at 16:16.
During installation when Ubuntu show all current OS on computer. If it find older version of Ubuntu, there should be option like -> Replace 9.04 with 9.10.

I didnt update system which i do from 7.04 because wanted ext4 and Grub2. So i made clean install.
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Selected solution (#28): Have more options
Written by tadcan the 28 Nov 10 at 02:27.
For install over free space put back the functionality to see and install on free space.

Also have a list of all currently installed OS's.

Also install over previous version which has been mentioned here as well.

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18564/

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