Written by aysiu the 28 Feb 08 at 18:49.

Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #136 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

<i>Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #136 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution.</i><br /> Thanks!

Written by webhamster the 18 Apr 08 at 20:05.

Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #7237 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

<i>Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #7237 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution.</i><br /> Thanks!

Written by nhandler the 27 Jan 10 at 23:27.

Integrate one more step into the installation process to enable a 'light weight' program selection and system pre-configuration

<img src="http://justoneidea.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mockup-configurate-ubuntu-programms.png"> Integrate one more step into the installation process to enable a 'light weight' program selection and system pre-configuration

Written by Int_ua the 28 Jan 10 at 00:28.

Because it can make installation process harder to understand for nonexpert users.

Because it can make installation process harder to understand for nonexpert users.

Written by vvfrn2 the 28 Jan 10 at 03:07.

not advanced option

not advanced option

Written by alms66 the 28 Jan 10 at 03:29.

A none option at each dropbox for those who will not use torrents, or notes, or those with no cd burners, etc.

A none option at each dropbox for those who will not use torrents, or notes, or those with no cd burners, etc.

Written by krs the 28 Jan 10 at 09:22.

For base Installation.
Or using Ubuntu is a non-sense.

For base Installation. Or using Ubuntu is a non-sense.

Written by guigui14100 the 28 Jan 10 at 23:22.

Instead write: Brasero (CD / DVD Burning)
Write this: CD / DVD Burning

Instead write: Brasero (CD / DVD Burning) Write this: CD / DVD Burning

Written by Zorba the 3 Feb 10 at 09:39.

I think it's a good idea to insert an option "install video card driver"... more or less the idea is to integrate jockey in the installation program, so users can install the system with the right video driver (if they want).

I think it's a good idea to insert an option "install video card driver"... more or less the idea is to integrate jockey in the installation program, so users can install the system with the right video driver (if they want).

Written by tommis the 3 Feb 10 at 19:42.

Add more to information box stuff like:

license
programs homepage
hard drive space needed
homepage

Add more to information box stuff like: license programs homepage hard drive space needed homepage

Written by tommis the 3 Feb 10 at 19:56.

Theres so many programs at you cannot just but all in such a little list. Add option install your own packapages from ubuntus servers or your chosen ppa.

Theres so many programs at you cannot just but all in such a little list. Add option install your own packapages from ubuntus servers or your chosen ppa.

Written by alexander255 the 5 Feb 10 at 00:17.

Add a new item in the sidebar of the Ubuntu Software Center called "Favorite Applications". The information about the alternatives could be simply added through debtags.

Add a new item in the sidebar of the Ubuntu Software Center called "Favorite Applications". The information about the alternatives could be simply added through debtags.

Written by ergbigred the 8 Feb 10 at 22:11.

We all may have pet programs that worked well under other linux distributions. It'd be nice if they could be automatically configured to play nice with Ubuntu setups or run in protected areas.

We all may have pet programs that worked well under other linux distributions. It'd be nice if they could be automatically configured to play nice with Ubuntu setups or run in protected areas.

Written by justintime03_2 the 9 Feb 10 at 02:13.

I know this sounds like heresy, but Ubuntu already has this in the repositories. Why not make it easier for new Ubuntu users to run their Windows applications. That's one of the biggest complaints I've heard. A lot of people don't know they can use WINE without digging around on the net. There's a lot who never know they have the option. Have the option to install WINE in the Configure Ubuntu Programs tool at first boot. I think this is crucial.

I know this sounds like heresy, but Ubuntu already has this in the repositories. Why not make it easier for new Ubuntu users to run their Windows applications. That's one of the biggest complaints I've heard. A lot of people don't know they can use WINE without digging around on the net. There's a lot who never know they have the option. Have the option to install WINE in the Configure Ubuntu Programs tool at first boot. I think this is crucial.

Written by diegusohpus the 11 Feb 10 at 11:49.

To include all this software in the ISO will be too big for a CD size. If you don't want to include them into the ISO you have to have a Internet connection enabled during the installation, and it's not always possible, so after you have installad Ubuntu the system will automaticly install them from internet.

To include all this software in the ISO will be too big for a CD size. If you don't want to include them into the ISO you have to have a Internet connection enabled during the installation, and it's not always possible, so after you have installad Ubuntu the system will automaticly install them from internet.

Written by Goury the 12 Feb 10 at 10:54.

there is no problems to include this one to DVD
also there is one more thing needed - ability to install more than one app of any type
there is tons of ppls who uses chromium AND firefox because first is fast and second sometimes shows pages more accurate and have more extensions

also: do not include opera and chrome. include chromium and some other free (as freedom, not as beer) browsers

there is no problems to include this one to DVD also there is one more thing needed - ability to install more than one app of any type there is tons of ppls who uses chromium AND firefox because first is fast and second sometimes shows pages more accurate and have more extensions also: do not include opera and chrome. include chromium and some other free (as freedom, not as beer) browsers

Written by ing.gonzo the 13 Feb 10 at 00:47.

Add also during installation, the capability to install updated system and/or software packages (so we don't have to do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade as first thing to do after the first boot and then we have to do another reboot...). So the system is updated out of the box

Add also during installation, the capability to install updated system and/or software packages (so we don't have to do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade as first thing to do after the first boot and then we have to do another reboot...). So the system is updated out of the box

Written by Goury the 13 Feb 10 at 08:17.

90% russian internets is pptp vpn so option pptp must include needed packages to pptp-vpn plugin works in network manager (its stable enough)
many ppl in europes uses some oter vpn (i am not sure) so option to install oter vpn type is needed too

a lot of peoples uses wifis or something else to interneting
and we all know that ubuntu without internet is 99% dualbooting to windows or uninstalling - ubuntu MUST HAVE internet after installation so all interneting packages must be included at least to dvd, but on cd is good too AND thete must be option to install them - its very difficult task to noobs to install vpn or something else packages

90% russian internets is pptp vpn so option pptp must include needed packages to pptp-vpn plugin works in network manager (its stable enough) many ppl in europes uses some oter vpn (i am not sure) so option to install oter vpn type is needed too a lot of peoples uses wifis or something else to interneting and we all know that ubuntu without internet is 99% dualbooting to windows or uninstalling - ubuntu MUST HAVE internet after installation so all interneting packages must be included at least to dvd, but on cd is good too AND thete must be option to install them - its very difficult task to noobs to install vpn or something else packages

Written by taufiksu the 14 Feb 10 at 12:09.

i think it is not important to implement because it will hard to choose the app when new ubuntu user install the ubuntu.

i think it is not important to implement because it will hard to choose the app when new ubuntu user install the ubuntu.

Written by pkslot the 16 Feb 10 at 15:46.

Why not let people choose what kernel to install, vanilla, rt or what their prefrences are.

Why not let people choose what kernel to install, vanilla, rt or what their prefrences are.

Written by magallucas the 16 Feb 10 at 20:53.

Some people (including me) have a personal preference for certain Office suites. Include a chance to choose the preferred suite (OpenOffice by default) would also be interesting. The options could be KOffice, Lotus Symphony, etc..

Integrated to Solution #12, the idea is even more complete: Accessing "Favorite Applications", the User can change your kit software more easily after you install the OS. For example, to change the option favorite browser "Firefox" to "Google Chrome", the Software Center automatically uninstall Firefox and install Chrome, making it the default browser. Happen the same way with the other favorite applications.

In case if the User wants to keep the two browsers (Firefox and Chrome), usually just select the Software Center - as is currently done - so both will be installed. Then just go to "Favorite Applications" and switch to Chrome, which is already installed - Firefox would remain, but the Chrome would be the primary browser.

Some people (including me) have a personal preference for certain Office suites. Include a chance to choose the preferred suite (OpenOffice by default) would also be interesting. The options could be KOffice, Lotus Symphony, etc.. Integrated to Solution #12, the idea is even more complete: Accessing "Favorite Applications", the User can change your kit software more easily after you install the OS. For example, to change the option favorite browser "Firefox" to "Google Chrome", the Software Center automatically uninstall Firefox and install Chrome, making it the default browser. Happen the same way with the other favorite applications. In case if the User wants to keep the two browsers (Firefox and Chrome), usually just select the Software Center - as is currently done - so both will be installed. Then just go to "Favorite Applications" and switch to Chrome, which is already installed - Firefox would remain, but the Chrome would be the primary browser.

Written by tommis the 18 Feb 10 at 19:05.

Also provide option to net isntall wich don`t have programs includet. This would prevent users from downloading packpages what they do not conna use.

Also provide option to net isntall wich don`t have programs includet. This would prevent users from downloading packpages what they do not conna use.

Written by pererik87 the 20 Feb 10 at 06:35.

That menu should meet the eye in "preferred applications". simple for noobs, when selecting an option not currently installed, user should be prompted replace(remove a install b) or side-by install(install b).

At least the coding should be easy.

That menu should meet the eye in "preferred applications". simple for noobs, when selecting an option not currently installed, user should be prompted replace(remove a install b) or side-by install(install b). At least the coding should be easy.

Written by Niels_ the 22 Feb 10 at 16:29.

Just like the other options, add a menu for themes.
So people can choose their favourite standard theme at instsall.

Just like the other options, add a menu for themes. So people can choose their favourite standard theme at instsall.

Written by dreamr the 23 Feb 10 at 12:16.

In addition to the "more information", give some indication of space left after installing all the applications. Can be just passive indicator that the user sees while making choices. Useful for systems with low memory, like netbooks with SSD.

In addition to the "more information", give some indication of space left after installing all the applications. Can be just passive indicator that the user sees while making choices. Useful for systems with low memory, like netbooks with SSD.

Written by pazuzuthewise the 3 Apr 10 at 02:55.

I believe that this option for adding software during OS install that cannot possibly fit on a CD medium, and therefore necessitates internet connection, could end up in a failed install process if the connection fails, as could happen with a 3G connection during bad weather conditions.
I certainly agree that the options presented in Solution #3 should be presented to the user in an informative manner - who, especially if new to linux, would otherwise have no clue what to do to be able to watch a DVD, for example - but not during OS install, but integrated in the Welcome Window that appears at the first login, maybe having a link in it to the Add/Remove Software, which, in turn should have these options on a main page.

I believe that this option for adding software during OS install that cannot possibly fit on a CD medium, and therefore necessitates internet connection, could end up in a failed install process if the connection fails, as could happen with a 3G connection during bad weather conditions. I certainly agree that the options presented in Solution #3 should be presented to the user in an informative manner - who, especially if new to linux, would otherwise have no clue what to do to be able to watch a DVD, for example - but not during OS install, but integrated in the Welcome Window that appears at the first login, maybe having a link in it to the Add/Remove Software, which, in turn should have these options on a main page.

Written by rugbeeprop the 4 May 10 at 04:03.

'Path' suggested "A list of favorite packages could be useful to put up on ubuntu one?"

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/109518

'Path' suggested "A list of favorite packages could be useful to put up on ubuntu one?" https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/109518

Written by thipv the 9 May 10 at 23:12.

It would make the process more flexible letting us to choose the programs before getting the iso, creating a customized image. You would select everything from the system architecture (32, 64, ppc, arm...) to desktop environment (gnome, kde, xfce, lxde...) or special environments (moblin based, netbook remix...), suggesting their default applications for each one, and let you change or remove them and choose additional programs, even restricted ones, informing the restrictions.
This would also be good because you would always be getting the most updated packages.

It would make the process more flexible letting us to choose the programs before getting the iso, creating a customized image. You would select everything from the system architecture (32, 64, ppc, arm...) to desktop environment (gnome, kde, xfce, lxde...) or special environments (moblin based, netbook remix...), suggesting their default applications for each one, and let you change or remove them and choose additional programs, even restricted ones, informing the restrictions. This would also be good because you would always be getting the most updated packages.

Written by JasLicno the 12 May 10 at 23:26.

User should decide which program will use.solution is simple:
Configure programs during installation:
1. button - ubuntu suggested
2. button - user defined ... list of all available programs
+ (because is impossible to have that big source of programs)

after installing, program that will give you option to make a clone of your installation, so next instalation of your system will be faster and with 100% personal programs. (this is not my idea, I have read about this as option in one of linux distributions)

User should decide which program will use.solution is simple: Configure programs during installation: 1. button - ubuntu suggested 2. button - user defined ... list of all available programs + (because is impossible to have that big source of programs) after installing, program that will give you option to make a clone of your installation, so next instalation of your system will be faster and with 100% personal programs. (this is not my idea, I have read about this as option in one of linux distributions)

Written by switchgirl the 30 Jun 10 at 21:21.

enable a way of saving account details to ubuntu one so that one can transfer all your accounts (yahoo, hotmail,gmail icq... irc... jabber.. everything) to the new machine this will help with setting up of new machines - like if someone has a laptop, web book and other machines, they really down want to have to set up all the different accounts multiple times. i'm not suggesting emails as this is too much data but enabling people to sync account details, and passwords would be good and improve ubuntu installs

enable a way of saving account details to ubuntu one so that one can transfer all your accounts (yahoo, hotmail,gmail icq... irc... jabber.. everything) to the new machine this will help with setting up of new machines - like if someone has a laptop, web book and other machines, they really down want to have to set up all the different accounts multiple times. i'm not suggesting emails as this is too much data but enabling people to sync account details, and passwords would be good and improve ubuntu installs

Written by mackuz the 17 May 11 at 06:55.

If even #4 is too hard for some users, #1 can be added in advanced installation mode.

It's actual again, 'cause even if Thunderbird will become default mail app in Ubuntu, some corporative users will need Evolution anyway.

If even #4 is too hard for some users, #1 can be added in advanced installation mode. It's actual again, 'cause even if Thunderbird will become default mail app in Ubuntu, some corporative users will need Evolution anyway.

Written by a49002 the 29 Feb 08 at 02:22.

Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #504 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

<i>Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #504 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution.</i><br /> Thanks!

Written by zwyber the 8 Mar 09 at 19:55.

Very plain and simple, show a (extra) notification, telling the user that they are running in a live session and that Ubuntu runs very slow now.

Why extra? If Ubuntu developers are going to create a welcome screen where they put this information some people are not going to read this. Just a small dialogue after the welcome screen has been closed would be nice.

OR

Put the message in the default wallpaper, easier but not really the best solution.

Very plain and simple, show a (extra) notification, telling the user that they are running in a live session and that Ubuntu runs very slow now. Why extra? If Ubuntu developers are going to create a welcome screen where they put this information some people are not going to read this. Just a small dialogue after the welcome screen has been closed would be nice. OR Put the message in the default wallpaper, easier but not really the best solution.

Written by kidmodify the 9 Mar 09 at 02:07.

Use a Live CD "Cloud" if the computer is connected to the Internet to help increase speed. That way you have two sources of incoming data, the CD, and the Web.

Use a Live CD "Cloud" if the computer is connected to the Internet to help increase speed. That way you have two sources of incoming data, the CD, and the Web.

Written by kidmodify the 9 Mar 09 at 02:14.

Some computers have more than one CD drive. Make it possible to use for example two disk drives each with an ubuntu CD. This could (as far as I know) double the speed, depending on the drive speeds.

Some computers have more than one CD drive. Make it possible to use for example two disk drives each with an ubuntu CD. This could (as far as I know) double the speed, depending on the drive speeds.

Written by Cé the 13 Mar 09 at 12:24.

Cache the executable files on the CD very agressively.
Cache the data files a lot less.
If there's a lot of RAM, precache executable files, if possible all of them.
This will make the use of the CD (or a slow HD) a lot faster.

Cache the executable files on the CD very agressively. Cache the data files a lot less. If there's a lot of RAM, precache executable files, if possible all of them. This will make the use of the CD (or a slow HD) a lot faster.

Written by scubanator87 the 13 Mar 09 at 13:45.

Some live CDs (like puppy for instance) have the option to load the OS into memory.

Provided there is enough RAM (2GB?) Allow users the option to load the OS into memory and to continue to boot from there.

Some live CDs (like puppy for instance) have the option to load the OS into memory. Provided there is enough RAM (2GB?) Allow users the option to load the OS into memory and to continue to boot from there.

Written by sci-fi guy the 16 Mar 09 at 23:08.

Maybe integrate a checkbox to turn it on with Solution #1 above.

Maybe integrate a checkbox to turn it on with Solution #1 above.

Written by Basem the 22 Mar 09 at 08:54.

While booting the OS, add a line that says "Enjoy ubuntu in full speed by installing it"

While booting the OS, add a line that says "Enjoy ubuntu in full speed by installing it"

Written by euxneks the 26 Mar 09 at 19:01.

I like the idea of letting them know that they are using a LiveCD on the desktop - we should also have interaction with it so that a user can get an idea of what a LiveCD is and why it's slower than the real system.

Once they close this, allow them the ability to open it again.

I like the idea of letting them know that they are using a LiveCD on the desktop - we should also have interaction with it so that a user can get an idea of what a LiveCD is and why it's slower than the real system. Once they close this, allow them the ability to open it again.

Written by ahsaeed the 29 Mar 09 at 16:11.

When I use Ubuntu in live session i don't wont to play games for example .. and some users do..
So..
i recommend to add another option to the boot menu as an advanced option..
"select programs to load during live sessions " .

When I use Ubuntu in live session i don't wont to play games for example .. and some users do.. So.. i recommend to add another option to the boot menu as an advanced option.. "select programs to load during live sessions <to speedup the session>" .

Written by sanketmedhi the 2 Apr 09 at 11:23.

Everyone might not have 2 GB of RAM but everyone has a USB drive. Live sessions booted from CDs can be cached onto USB storage for improved performance.

Everyone might not have 2 GB of RAM but everyone has a USB drive. Live sessions booted from CDs can be cached onto USB storage for improved performance.

Written by sanketmedhi the 2 Apr 09 at 11:51.

Bootable USB images should be promoted rather than live CDs. Bootable USB drives can be prepared using software such as the one showed on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick . Alternatively, the software that runs on Windows when an Ubuntu live CD is inserted should include such a functionality.

Bootable USB images should be promoted rather than live CDs. Bootable USB drives can be prepared using software such as the one showed on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick . Alternatively, the software that runs on Windows when an Ubuntu live CD is inserted should include such a functionality.

Written by Dorje the 2 Apr 09 at 22:10.

like solution #9 add an option to deselect unnecessary programmes and also give the percentage increase each unselection generates .
like for eg.
deselecting games =increase in speed 10%
and so on

PS:i don't know much about programmes so i dont know how much speed gain every (possible)deselection will generate

like solution #9 add an option to deselect unnecessary programmes and also give the percentage increase each unselection generates . like for eg. deselecting games =increase in speed 10% and so on PS:i don't know much about programmes so i dont know how much speed gain every (possible)deselection will generate

Written by deriamis the 4 Apr 09 at 18:40.

Since the majority of load times is in late-linking the libraries, why not have the often-used libraries in a ramdisk and use UnionFS to overlay those files on a path? In combination with pre-caching (#4), this could be a significant speed boost. If we combine it with using a LiveUSB distro (#11), we could be on par with the performance of the computer itself.

Since the majority of load times is in late-linking the libraries, why not have the often-used libraries in a ramdisk and use UnionFS to overlay those files on a path? In combination with pre-caching (#4), this could be a significant speed boost. If we combine it with using a LiveUSB distro (#11), we could be on par with the performance of the computer itself.

Written by pepperpupper the 5 Apr 09 at 12:47.

Add an option for creating a live-usb to the autorun menu that pops up when mounting or inserting the cd/iso. Many people will use daemon-tool or similar to mount the cd in Windows, and if they see an option to create a live-usb from the popup menu, that would be a way of making it easier for everyone to do so.

Add an option for creating a live-usb to the autorun menu that pops up when mounting or inserting the cd/iso. Many people will use daemon-tool or similar to mount the cd in Windows, and if they see an option to create a live-usb from the popup menu, that would be a way of making it easier for everyone to do so.

Written by pepperpupper the 5 Apr 09 at 12:54.

The title is self-descriptive. This would be another way of making it easier for people to find out about the possibility of creating a live-usb.

The title is self-descriptive. This would be another way of making it easier for people to find out about the possibility of creating a live-usb.

Written by ll the 6 Apr 09 at 03:52.

A modified background that includes a warning can be used instead of a notification. Many computers at universities that are meant for multiple users use the background to communicate a special procedure especially in libraries for catalogue searches. This will decrease confusion and not use as many resources as a notification (I assume).

A modified background that includes a warning can be used instead of a notification. Many computers at universities that are meant for multiple users use the background to communicate a special procedure especially in libraries for catalogue searches. This will decrease confusion and not use as many resources as a notification (I assume).

Written by pepperpupper the 7 Apr 09 at 14:14.

Make it possible to install a native Ubuntu installation from within Windows to another partition than the one running Windows from or to an USB-memory key, making it easier to install Ubuntu without having to boot into live mode.

Make it possible to install a native Ubuntu installation from within Windows to another partition than the one running Windows from or to an USB-memory key, making it easier to install Ubuntu without having to boot into live mode.

Written by lackscr8ivity the 7 Apr 09 at 14:25.

When running the live session I would guess the memory, processor, hard disk read/write speed (maybe not this one), etc. system hardware & performance are evaluated.
As well, when running a program (game, OpenOffice, etc.) the CD read/write & load time could stored. Thus, when the user ends the live session, in the log-out window list some statistics: "These are the 5 programs you used the most:
From the live CD it took X-amount of real-time to load, but based on your system's hardware, if this were installed, we would expect it would X% faster."

When running the live session I would guess the memory, processor, hard disk read/write speed (maybe not this one), etc. system hardware & performance are evaluated. As well, when running a program (game, OpenOffice, etc.) the CD read/write & load time could stored. Thus, when the user ends the live session, in the log-out window list some statistics: "These are the 5 programs you used the most: From the live CD it took X-amount of real-time to load, but based on your system's hardware, if this were installed, we would expect it would X% faster."

Written by moose the 14 Apr 09 at 08:08.

So the live-cd shouldn't start services which are not neccessary for testing ubuntu (as some people use the live-cd as a secure system, services like cups are neccessary):

# anachron, atd, cron: I never used a live-cd longer than six hours - why should I create a cronjob?
# acpid, acpi-support, apmd, powernowd, powernowd.early: If I use the live-cd, I want to test if my hardware works and if the software fits my expections, not if the sleep option works.

So the live-cd shouldn't start services which are not neccessary for testing ubuntu (as some people use the live-cd as a secure system, services like cups are neccessary): # anachron, atd, cron: I never used a live-cd longer than six hours - why should I create a cronjob? # acpid, acpi-support, apmd, powernowd, powernowd.early: If I use the live-cd, I want to test if my hardware works and if the software fits my expections, not if the sleep option works.

Written by Ssdg the 29 Apr 09 at 11:25.

My idea would be to tell it on the first screen (the one that offers you to test, install, etc...).

Like:
Try ubuntu without
Install on your hard drive for better performances
...

not by demoting the live CD mode, but by promoting the installation.

I'm not in advertisement, but ubuntu will look much better.

My idea would be to tell it on the first screen (the one that offers you to test, install, etc...). Like: Try ubuntu without Install on your hard drive for better performances ... not by demoting the live CD mode, but by promoting the installation. I'm not in advertisement, but ubuntu will look much better.

Written by chareos the 6 May 09 at 14:08.

Make the Ubuntu download to be an EXE file which lets user choose to create a LiveCD (with performance warning here) OR a LiveUSB.

Also, a performance warning on LiveCD boot itself would be great !

Make the Ubuntu download to be an EXE file which lets user choose to create a LiveCD (with performance warning here) OR a LiveUSB. Also, a performance warning on LiveCD boot itself would be great !

Written by Avantarius the 10 May 09 at 09:42.

For systems with 1 GiB RAM or less, where solution #5 can't be applied, load the content of the CD in a virtual file system which could be located in a file on the computer's harddisk, i.e. create file on a existing ntfs-partition, an unpartitioned space or even use the m$-windows-swapspace.

For systems with 1 GiB RAM or less, where solution #5 can't be applied, load the content of the CD in a virtual file system which could be located in a file on the computer's harddisk, i.e. create file on a existing ntfs-partition, an unpartitioned space or even use the m$-windows-swapspace.

Written by Kver the 16 May 09 at 20:51.

When a live cd shows the loading bar, there's plenty of time for a message such as "Loading and running content from this DVD will result in slow performance, and changes or customizations will not be saved."

When a live cd shows the loading bar, there's plenty of time for a message such as "Loading and running content from this DVD will result in slow performance, and changes or customizations will not be saved."

Written by aroach31291 the 22 Oct 09 at 17:19.

Firstly, I think that many of the solutions above are solving the wrong problem. People that try out Ubuntu may think that it is installed by just inserting the CD. The user may have no idea that they are using a LiveCD. After they discover that Ubuntu is "slow", they give up and reboot back into Windows. Notifying the user that they haven't installed Ubuntu yet would be the best way to solve this problem.

Utilize the new notification system. Have it simply display a message when the desktop has finished loading similar to:

Ubuntu is not installed yet! Feel free to use Ubuntu before installing it, but beware that it may be a little slow. If you like what you see click the install icon on your desktop!

Firstly, I think that many of the solutions above are solving the wrong problem. People that try out Ubuntu may think that it is installed by just inserting the CD. The user may have no idea that they are using a LiveCD. After they discover that Ubuntu is "slow", they give up and reboot back into Windows. Notifying the user that they haven't installed Ubuntu yet would be the best way to solve this problem. Utilize the new notification system. Have it simply display a message when the desktop has finished loading similar to: Ubuntu is not installed yet! Feel free to use Ubuntu before installing it, but beware that it may be a little slow. If you like what you see click the install icon on your desktop!

Written by mikko.rantalainen the 7 Oct 10 at 06:45.

Live session from USB/flash memory should be pretty okay even today but the real problem is accessing files from optical drive. Even there, the problem is latency, usually not the bandwidth.

The live session should run a small background service that displays a notification message when system is waiting for CD drive to access required data. The message could be along the line "Reading data from CD (installing on the hard drive would improve performance)" [however, the label should not claim to be reading CD if one is booting from e.g. usb memory stick]. The notification should be displayed if read command has waited in disk scheduler queue for more than a second.

This could be extended to deal with installed system, too. It would make sense to point out bottlenecks in the system to the user. If the system feels slow and a notification pops up that says "Waiting for disks (installing a fast SSD drive would improve performance)" would give a reasonable hint to the user which hardware upgrade would help the most. This could be even further extended and a similar notification should pop up if all CPU cores have been taken for more than 5 seconds ("Waiting for processor (upgrading the processor would improve performance)").

Live session from USB/flash memory should be pretty okay even today but the real problem is accessing files from optical drive. Even there, the problem is latency, usually not the bandwidth. The live session should run a small background service that displays a notification message when system is waiting for CD drive to access required data. The message could be along the line "Reading data from CD (installing on the hard drive would improve performance)" [however, the label should not claim to be reading CD if one is booting from e.g. usb memory stick]. The notification should be displayed if read command has waited in disk scheduler queue for more than a second. This could be extended to deal with installed system, too. It would make sense to point out bottlenecks in the system to the user. If the system feels slow and a notification pops up that says "Waiting for disks (installing a fast SSD drive would improve performance)" would give a reasonable hint to the user which hardware upgrade would help the most. This could be even further extended and a similar notification should pop up if all CPU cores have been taken for more than 5 seconds ("Waiting for processor (upgrading the processor would improve performance)").

Written by vinlos the 29 Feb 08 at 10:46.

Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #1242 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

<i>Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #1242 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution.</i><br /> Thanks!

Written by Hetor the 31 Mar 09 at 12:57.

Create an option for installation disk that will install just Ubuntu's boot menu to make Ubuntu accessible after Windows installation.

Create an option for installation disk that will install just Ubuntu's boot menu to make Ubuntu accessible after Windows installation.

Written by stoffel the 31 Mar 09 at 21:39.

So, similar as the first solution, but with these differences:
* people do not understand "boot menu"
* it puts focus on the fact that the Windows installer is crap that can break the user's system, whilst at the same time pointing out Ubuntu has the tools to fix this crap

So, similar as the first solution, but with these differences: * people do not understand "boot menu" * it puts focus on the fact that the Windows installer is crap that can break the user's system, whilst at the same time pointing out Ubuntu has the tools to fix this crap

Written by cheesehead the 31 Mar 09 at 21:50.

LiveCD should check for an existing MBR or grub, and offer to reinstall grub only if the LiveCD finds an MBR or broken grub

LiveCD should check for an existing MBR or grub, and offer to reinstall grub only if the LiveCD finds an MBR or broken grub

Written by supermorph the 3 Apr 09 at 18:26.

as an option as WELL as placing grub into mbr , i would suggest Making a DUPLICATE of the mbr and place the mbr file in windows boot.ini and the vista bootmgr menu's (should windows be located in the install)

i had to re-do somebodys system, they was very dubious on linux (they had another distro and it didnt do wireless, so they over generalised and thought gnu/linux as a whole was not good) and i suggested to fix thier pc,
they left it with me, so i put thier media-centre xp first, all thier apps how they liked, installed a hidden user for me, and installed jaunty 9.04 at the end of the hdd, and made the users exactly like the xp, (both with firefox, and wine 4 ubuntu) i also took the liberty of extracting the installed mbr of ubuntu to a file "ubuntu.mbr" i called it, and placed it into thier xp partition (hidded,system applied) and added a menu "Ubuntu Linux" to thier boot.ini as the second option, i then proceeded to make a recovery image of this setup and put it to four dvd's with all of the dvd's bootable to a registered acronis 8 personal of myne, so if they restore it will ALWAYS work, and if they need whats on there they can remove the mbr and STILL use ubuntu (or put it back if they ask how to do it)

mabye this could be done, and add an option to restore this mbr file to the hdd in recovery mode on the live/alt disks?

sorry for the long post, but i think it will actually help because of the way i done things, theres no way ubuntu cannot be run in that configuration.

as an option as WELL as placing grub into mbr , i would suggest Making a DUPLICATE of the mbr and place the mbr file in windows boot.ini and the vista bootmgr menu's (should windows be located in the install) i had to re-do somebodys system, they was very dubious on linux (they had another distro and it didnt do wireless, so they over generalised and thought gnu/linux as a whole was not good) and i suggested to fix thier pc, they left it with me, so i put thier media-centre xp first, all thier apps how they liked, installed a hidden user for me, and installed jaunty 9.04 at the end of the hdd, and made the users exactly like the xp, (both with firefox, and wine 4 ubuntu) i also took the liberty of extracting the installed mbr of ubuntu to a file "ubuntu.mbr" i called it, and placed it into thier xp partition (hidded,system applied) and added a menu "Ubuntu Linux" to thier boot.ini as the second option, i then proceeded to make a recovery image of this setup and put it to four dvd's with all of the dvd's bootable to a registered acronis 8 personal of myne, so if they restore it will ALWAYS work, and if they need whats on there they can remove the mbr and STILL use ubuntu (or put it back if they ask how to do it) mabye this could be done, and add an option to restore this mbr file to the hdd in recovery mode on the live/alt disks? sorry for the long post, but i think it will actually help because of the way i done things, theres no way ubuntu cannot be run in that configuration. kind regards supermorph

Written by jamesisin the 7 Apr 09 at 06:38.

Create an ISO available to Ubuntu users (linked probably in the Help menu &c) which has been set up specifically for repairing version x.y of Ubuntu.

(Part of my "Keep the installer trim" philosophy.)

Create an ISO available to Ubuntu users (linked probably in the Help menu &c) which has been set up specifically for repairing version x.y of Ubuntu. (Part of my "Keep the installer trim" philosophy.)

Written by codeslicer the 27 Feb 09 at 20:33.

One of the options for a bootable partition in GParted would be to Reinstall Boot Manager, after which an option to install either GRUB or LILO on to the hard partition.

One of the options for a bootable partition in GParted would be to Reinstall Boot Manager, after which an option to install either GRUB or LILO on to the hard partition.

Written by TheLions the 1 Mar 09 at 20:41.

instead making repairing tool why not include a easy-to-understeand-do-it-yourself guide how to repair GRUB?

instead making repairing tool why not include a easy-to-understeand-do-it-yourself guide how to repair GRUB?

Written by josinalvo the 7 Mar 09 at 04:08.

There is a windows app called super grub disk that is able to solve the problem (The odd name comes from a live cd that does the same job)

I propose this app should be on the livecd, on that part that is acessible from windows (a.k.a. outside squashfs)

There is a windows app called super grub disk that is able to solve the problem (The odd name comes from a live cd that does the same job) I propose this app should be on the livecd, on that part that is acessible from windows (a.k.a. outside squashfs)

Written by pengo the 9 Mar 09 at 02:25.

This will probably get voted down for mentioning MICROSOFT, but as this problem is generally a problem with Windows rudely taking over from Grub, why not make a Windows application that installs or restores GRUB?

This will probably get voted down for mentioning MICROSOFT, but as this problem is generally a problem with Windows rudely taking over from Grub, why not make a Windows application that installs or restores GRUB?

Written by jekristiansen the 10 Jan 10 at 01:45.

It would be nice if there was an option to re-install boot loaders for both Ubuntu and Windows. Remove Ubuntu + Grub, and the Windows boot is missing.
Install Windows, and there's no Grub
I installed windows again because of that...

It would be nice if there was an option to re-install boot loaders for both Ubuntu and Windows. Remove Ubuntu + Grub, and the Windows boot is missing. Install Windows, and there's no Grub I installed windows again because of that...

Written by LordHawke13 the 8 Feb 10 at 04:34.

I suggest an application that will run the contents of a boot disk either to an internal guest display (as in a Virtual Machine) or to an attached external display (like a second monitor) to install an operating system for dual booting. Since it can be done from inside the host OS, it can suppress the secondary OS' process of overwriting the MBR, preserving the primary bootloader, and optionally writing entries to the bootloader's boot menu for chainloading the secondary OS. Such an app would eliminate the need of a bootable LiveCD as the bootloader will be intact and in no need of restoration.

I suggest an application that will run the contents of a boot disk either to an internal guest display (as in a Virtual Machine) or to an attached external display (like a second monitor) to install an operating system for dual booting. Since it can be done from inside the host OS, it can suppress the secondary OS' process of overwriting the MBR, preserving the primary bootloader, and optionally writing entries to the bootloader's boot menu for chainloading the secondary OS. Such an app would eliminate the need of a bootable LiveCD as the bootloader will be intact and in no need of restoration.

Written by pfelelep the 15 Feb 10 at 07:40.

25 years ago today, I was able to simply change mac os 6 boot folder by just removing or adding the Finder file. That was useable.
25 years ago today I was able to repair most non booting DOS issues by just typing SYS C: That was almost useable.

What do we have in 2010 ? A OS that breaks its own bootloader when you try to update it. And that's when you managed to install it in the first place... And if you're to fix it (I guess most debuting users will just wipe their disk and start over again from here) you have to download 3 different discs to try from (live, alt, supergrub) . That's progress I guess ?

Grub is excellent software, but its useability and reliability need to be reinforced !

What I need on the install disc is a tool that lets me :
step 1 : describe partitions in my system. no installer or tool can guess that stuff in a mildly sophisticated system. there could also be an automatic mode for simple 1 or 2 partition setups. LVM should always be natively supported.
Step 2 : choose mbr or grub partition target
Step 3 : Click Fix and reboot !

25 years ago today, I was able to simply change mac os 6 boot folder by just removing or adding the Finder file. That was useable. 25 years ago today I was able to repair most non booting DOS issues by just typing SYS C: That was almost useable. What do we have in 2010 ? A OS that breaks its own bootloader when you try to update it. And that's when you managed to install it in the first place... And if you're to fix it (I guess most debuting users will just wipe their disk and start over again from here) you have to download 3 different discs to try from (live, alt, supergrub) . That's progress I guess ? Grub is excellent software, but its useability and reliability need to be reinforced ! What I need on the install disc is a tool that lets me : step 1 : describe partitions in my system. no installer or tool can guess that stuff in a mildly sophisticated system. there could also be an automatic mode for simple 1 or 2 partition setups. LVM should always be natively supported. Step 2 : choose mbr or grub partition target Step 3 : Click Fix and reboot !

Written by leorolla the 11 Mar 10 at 17:26.

People who try Ubuntu for one day (perhaps because a friend insisted) and then decide to wipe it out, find themselves desperate when they realize that their computer is not working at all.
And they say that it's Ubuntu's fault!
And they are right!
In fact it is the installation of Ubuntu that has just broken the user's system.

If this or that OS is crap, it will be obvious from the facts. It is for the user, and only for the user, to come up with that conclusion.

What Ubuntu has to do is to be as good as it can, and other OS's won't provide equivalent tools.
As for today, they don't come even close, but who knows...

If an Ubuntu application will propose the user to "fix" the MBR, it should propose to "fix" the MBR in both directions: to replace the current MBR by Grub, or to replace it by another OS's bootloader.

No matter if it will do it at the Live CD, a Desktop application or an application to be run inside other OS's, it should offer both possibilities.

This would make Ubuntu inarguably superior.

People who try Ubuntu for one day (perhaps because a friend insisted) and then decide to wipe it out, find themselves desperate when they realize that their computer is not working at all. And they say that it's Ubuntu's fault! And they are right! In fact it is the installation of Ubuntu that has just broken the user's system. If this or that OS is crap, it will be obvious from the facts. It is for the user, and only for the user, to come up with that conclusion. What Ubuntu has to do is to be as good as it can, and other OS's won't provide equivalent tools. As for today, they don't come even close, but who knows... If an Ubuntu application will propose the user to "fix" the MBR, it should propose to "fix" the MBR in both directions: to replace the current MBR by Grub, or to replace it by another OS's bootloader. No matter if it will do it at the Live CD, a Desktop application or an application to be run inside other OS's, it should offer both possibilities. This would make Ubuntu inarguably superior. If the user chooses to fix the MBR using another OS's bootloader, and the application can still detect that some Linux partition, then it should implement an ingenious procedure to chainload Grub from the other OS (as described at Solution #5, for the case of Windows).

Written by checoimg the 1 Feb 11 at 03:06.

Auto restoring option on grub (don't tell me if it is posible or not).
Make Grub Reinstall itself until you enter Ubuntu and change that option, so after any change grub will overwrite the new loader and persist to be the used loader. Of course updating the list of OS and maybe add on Gparted a detct OS option in case of problems detecting new OS installed on same Hard Disk

Auto restoring option on grub (don't tell me if it is posible or not). Make Grub Reinstall itself until you enter Ubuntu and change that option, so after any change grub will overwrite the new loader and persist to be the used loader. Of course updating the list of OS and maybe add on Gparted a detct OS option in case of problems detecting new OS installed on same Hard Disk

Written by Otus the 9 Aug 09 at 15:42.

The official Ubuntu torrents should include web seed(s).

The GetRight version of the protocol (http://getright.com/seedtorrent.html) can be implemented by only modifying the .torrent file. The BitTornado version (http://bittornado.com/docs/webseed-spec.txt) requires some additional scripting on server side.

The official Ubuntu torrents should include web seed(s). The GetRight version of the protocol (http://getright.com/seedtorrent.html) can be implemented by only modifying the .torrent file. The BitTornado version (http://bittornado.com/docs/webseed-spec.txt) requires some additional scripting on server side.

Written by joerlend the 27 Aug 09 at 02:19.

They're willing to spend bandwidth on legal bit torrent stuff.

They're willing to spend bandwidth on legal bit torrent stuff.

Written by l0rdraiden the 28 Feb 08 at 20:12.

Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #188 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

<i>Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #188 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution.</i><br /> Thanks!

Written by Tom Mann the 14 Apr 09 at 15:08.

Have a boot menu with:

Install Ubuntu (default)
Install Kubuntu
Install Xubuntu
Install Ubuntu Studio
...

Have a boot menu with: Install Ubuntu (default) Install Kubuntu Install Xubuntu Install Ubuntu Studio ...

Written by Tom Mann the 14 Apr 09 at 15:16.

This will boot straight into a UI-free environment, apart from the Ubuntu USB Drive tool, modified slightly to give you a option of each Ubuntu variant (rather than ask for a path to an ISO) to create the live usb key of your choosing.

This will boot straight into a UI-free environment, apart from the Ubuntu USB Drive tool, modified slightly to give you a option of each Ubuntu variant (rather than ask for a path to an ISO) to create the live usb key of your choosing.

Written by jamesisin the 14 Apr 09 at 18:18.

One problem that I have run into in installing Ubuntu is that sometimes I would like to install the desktop software onto (former) server hardware. That is often not possible due to differing drivers being included on the desktop version and the server version.

Selection between different desktop environments could be part of this process. Kernel selection (desktop/server/older) should also be available.

Could it be possible to have the installer carry a wider array of drivers to cover more installation types and then be able to download other necessary drivers during its installation process?

I think we could still offer a very trim CD which could do all of this, but it may be beneficial to also offer a DVD which contained a lot of the optional packages.

One problem that I have run into in installing Ubuntu is that sometimes I would like to install the desktop software onto (former) server hardware. That is often not possible due to differing drivers being included on the desktop version and the server version. Selection between different desktop environments could be part of this process. Kernel selection (desktop/server/older) should also be available. Could it be possible to have the installer carry a wider array of drivers to cover more installation types and then be able to download other necessary drivers during its installation process? I think we could still offer a very trim CD which could do all of this, but it may be beneficial to also offer a DVD which contained a lot of the optional packages.

Written by nloewen the 28 Jun 09 at 18:53.

keep a slimed down version of the install with only base features to fit on cds and smaller flash drives for people without a dvd drive. On the first boot it could install the extra unnecessary stuff that didn't fit on the cd. The cd would include enough to keep it functional so that if you didn't have an internet connection you wouldn't have to worry.

keep a slimed down version of the install with only base features to fit on cds and smaller flash drives for people without a dvd drive. On the first boot it could install the extra unnecessary stuff that didn't fit on the cd. The cd would include enough to keep it functional so that if you didn't have an internet connection you wouldn't have to worry.

Written by nq6 the 28 Aug 09 at 15:13.

The DVD included with this issue lets you sample a selection of the most popular Ubuntu variants. Boot
the disk to a Live version of Ubuntu 9.04 “Jaunty Jackalope,” or install a permanent version of Jaunty on
your hard drive.

When you are ready for a taste of some other flavors, double-click the VirtualBox icon on your Ubuntu
desktop to launch any of the following:

Kubuntu: Ubuntu for the KDE desktop.

Xubuntu: small and light on resources – optimized for legacy hardware.

Easy Peasy: tooled for netbook systems. Also included on this DVD is a bootable disc image of Ubuntu Studio – an Ubuntu alternative for high-end audio recording studios and multimedia configurations. Plus you’ll find packages for Edubuntu – Ubuntu for schools and other classroom settings. See the Installation guide on page 60 for more on the Ubuntu User multi-buntu DVD.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/34236634@N07/3865137930/" title="Untitled-1 copy copy por caricaturassa, no Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2527/3865137930_dccc5bb7e5.jpg" width="500" height="364" alt="Untitled-1 copy copy" /></a> The DVD included with this issue lets you sample a selection of the most popular Ubuntu variants. Boot the disk to a Live version of Ubuntu 9.04 “Jaunty Jackalope,” or install a permanent version of Jaunty on your hard drive. When you are ready for a taste of some other flavors, double-click the VirtualBox icon on your Ubuntu desktop to launch any of the following: Kubuntu: Ubuntu for the KDE desktop. Xubuntu: small and light on resources – optimized for legacy hardware. Easy Peasy: tooled for netbook systems. Also included on this DVD is a bootable disc image of Ubuntu Studio – an Ubuntu alternative for high-end audio recording studios and multimedia configurations. Plus you’ll find packages for Edubuntu – Ubuntu for schools and other classroom settings. See the Installation guide on page 60 for more on the Ubuntu User multi-buntu DVD.

Written by mitcoes the 5 Sep 09 at 12:20.

Not only a recopilation, a distro where you can install all packages and choose what X to run each time you star o restartX.

All Gnome, KDE, Fluxbox, Xfce and more, are not a lot for actual HDDs.

OPTIONAL: And if it can be implemented a multi Xorg.conf, one for each Desktop Manager, it would be very useful if you have problems with any upgrade or update.

Not only a recopilation, a distro where you can install all packages and choose what X to run each time you star o restartX. All Gnome, KDE, Fluxbox, Xfce and more, are not a lot for actual HDDs. OPTIONAL: And if it can be implemented a multi Xorg.conf, one for each Desktop Manager, it would be very useful if you have problems with any upgrade or update.

Written by Dojan the 14 Feb 11 at 23:33.

nt

nt

Written by teraxas the 10 May 11 at 16:29.

The best way, in my opinion, would be to create two sepparate instalation images:
1)4.5GB DVD with all the features, codecs or anything "Canonical" wants to put inside.
2)700MB CD with basic features. This version should have a "first launch" screen with:
short presentation of Ubuntu's features AND
a button for upgrading to full version. This, when selected, would start downloading all the missing software from the DVD version.

This way, you can forget the size limit of CD and keep people with small USB keys or CD-ROMs interested.

This was already used by Linux Mint team. I think it's the optimal solution.

P.S. sorry for my English. I hope I will be heard.

The best way, in my opinion, would be to create two sepparate instalation images: 1)4.5GB DVD with all the features, codecs or anything "Canonical" wants to put inside. 2)700MB CD with basic features. This version should have a "first launch" screen with: short presentation of Ubuntu's features AND a button for upgrading to full version. This, when selected, would start downloading all the missing software from the DVD version. This way, you can forget the size limit of CD and keep people with small USB keys or CD-ROMs interested. This was already used by Linux Mint team. I think it's the optimal solution. P.S. sorry for my English. I hope I will be heard.

Written by sergioii the 18 Jan 12 at 16:31.

Provide a file. ISO disk to download all the environments that can be used by the User to create a disk or flash drive to take on.

Provide a file. ISO disk to download all the environments that can be used by the User to create a disk or flash drive to take on.

Written by FranciscoPadillaGarcia the 22 Apr 08 at 08:00.

Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #7390 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

<i>Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #7390 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution.</i><br /> Thanks!

Written by CRAY4 the 19 Oct 09 at 17:29.

Users should have the option of using BitTorrent for distribution updates since thousands if not more people will be seeding plus the Ubuntu server which would result in an incredibly fast Download, and if you have less than x seeders then it can download the conventional way

Users should have the option of using BitTorrent for distribution updates since thousands if not more people will be seeding plus the Ubuntu server which would result in an incredibly fast Download, and if you have less than x seeders then it can download the conventional way

Written by Rodrigo the 19 Oct 09 at 21:20.

When the system "fells" that it has to download a large amount of data, it should propose to look for the best server. It takes a little bit of time, but it can be good in the long run, specially if the update is a big one.

When the system "fells" that it has to download a large amount of data, it should propose to look for the best server. It takes a little bit of time, but it can be good in the long run, specially if the update is a big one.

Written by Tellur the 24 Oct 09 at 20:09.

The used system should be similar to the Blizzard Downloader used by Blizzard to fast distribute updates and videos.
It essentially builds upon BitTorrent but integrated into a lightweight standalone application which also makes use of traditional server downloads which now act as one of many peers. This way you have always both options on and get the benefits of both. Plus since the classic server still communicates via port 80 (or something like it) you evade possibly fatal port restrictions altogether.

It should furthermore be selectable if someone wants to contribute as a seeder or as an active peer in general, since some users have limited bandwidth and/or data limits.

The used system should be similar to the Blizzard Downloader used by Blizzard to fast distribute updates and videos. It essentially builds upon BitTorrent but integrated into a lightweight standalone application which also makes use of traditional server downloads which now act as one of many peers. This way you have always both options on and get the benefits of both. Plus since the classic server still communicates via port 80 (or something like it) you evade possibly fatal port restrictions altogether. It should furthermore be selectable if someone wants to contribute as a seeder or as an active peer in general, since some users have limited bandwidth and/or data limits.

Written by Shnatsel the 25 Oct 09 at 07:54.

Use several download sources (and maybe BitTorrent) in parallel. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalink

Use several download sources (and maybe BitTorrent) in parallel. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalink

Written by z3non the 27 Oct 09 at 11:07.

solution exists (BitTorrent protocol slightly modified). make it configurable via the software sources tool. warn users about risks (upstream bandwidth, disk consumption), inform about advantages (higher speeds at peak times). allow to configure a different debtorrent-client than localhost for LANs.

http://debtorrent.alioth.debian.org/

http://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent

solution exists (BitTorrent protocol slightly modified). make it configurable via the software sources tool. warn users about risks (upstream bandwidth, disk consumption), inform about advantages (higher speeds at peak times). allow to configure a different debtorrent-client than localhost for LANs. http://debtorrent.alioth.debian.org/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent

Written by xeniac the 27 Oct 09 at 18:32.

Still many People have Download/Upload Limits and P2P is no option for those.

Today Ubuntu uses country based APT-Mirrors. (at.archive.ubuntu.com for example), but country borders do not exist for the internet. Many times a Czech Server is
faster for me, then an Server in Austria

Canonical could setup a DNS based load balancing system for their APT-Repositories with different pools for every continent.This solution could distribute the demand more equally to all mirrors, which results in better performance for users.

It also raises the availability. For example: Sometimes my old Debian Mirror was simply not reachable, this can not happen with load balancing.

This solution is also total transparent and needs no modification on the client side.

Still many People have Download/Upload Limits and P2P is no option for those. Today Ubuntu uses country based APT-Mirrors. (at.archive.ubuntu.com for example), but country borders do not exist for the internet. Many times a Czech Server is faster for me, then an Server in Austria Canonical could setup a DNS based load balancing system for their APT-Repositories with different pools for every continent.This solution could distribute the demand more equally to all mirrors, which results in better performance for users. It also raises the availability. For example: Sometimes my old Debian Mirror was simply not reachable, this can not happen with load balancing. This solution is also total transparent and needs no modification on the client side.

Written by afunix the 4 Nov 09 at 08:50.

DebTorrent and Apt-Torrent are good but still completely unstable, so can we use Ubuntu One as ubuntu mirror?
Maybe there should be some system user for Ubuntu One if user does not have account.
And, of course, this feature should be configurable, as user should have good internet connection to use Ubuntu One.

Pros:
Lots of peers, so downloading should be really fast.
Easy configuration for sources.list.

Cons:
User should have good internet connection (all solutions require that).
Needs some fixes for apt to make it ignore unreachable mirrors and try another configured mirror.

DebTorrent and Apt-Torrent are good but still completely unstable, so can we use Ubuntu One as ubuntu mirror? Maybe there should be some system user for Ubuntu One if user does not have account. And, of course, this feature should be configurable, as user should have good internet connection to use Ubuntu One. Pros: Lots of peers, so downloading should be really fast. Easy configuration for sources.list. Cons: User should have good internet connection (all solutions require that). Needs some fixes for apt to make it ignore unreachable mirrors and try another configured mirror.

Written by bvidulich the 7 Nov 09 at 23:39.

Content delivery networks such as Akamai have inter-connected servers right across the world and can deliver content quickly to users. They also take care of distributing their content to all of their servers.

If a CDN is added to the list of package sources or Ubuntu mirrors then users would be dynamically redirected to a server that can deliver the packages a fast as possible for that user.

This may be expensive for Canonical, however, since CDN's charge to distribute content and Ubuntu is free.

Content delivery networks such as Akamai have inter-connected servers right across the world and can deliver content quickly to users. They also take care of distributing their content to all of their servers. If a CDN is added to the list of package sources or Ubuntu mirrors then users would be dynamically redirected to a server that can deliver the packages a fast as possible for that user. This may be expensive for Canonical, however, since CDN's charge to distribute content and Ubuntu is free.

Written by bgrohe the 2 May 10 at 22:35.

If there was a Graphical option to update most of parts from an ISO file (and other components could be updated from the central servers) then people could download from a torrent or the could download once and use it on many computers. This would lesson the demand on the servers, making a better upgrade experience.

If there was a Graphical option to update most of parts from an ISO file (and other components could be updated from the central servers) then people could download from a torrent or the could download once and use it on many computers. This would lesson the demand on the servers, making a better upgrade experience.

Written by genbattle the 3 May 10 at 01:38.

One way to speed up the updating process, especially during rushes is to use the Bittorrent protocol. Even having users seed a portion of what they download will make a huge difference in server loading, and will reduce the load on the central servers.

Blizzard Entertainment have implemented a dual HTTP-Bittorrent downloading system to great effect, and it serves to lessen the load on central servers when there is a large spike in traffic on game patch days.

One way to speed up the updating process, especially during rushes is to use the Bittorrent protocol. Even having users seed a portion of what they download will make a huge difference in server loading, and will reduce the load on the central servers. Blizzard Entertainment have implemented a dual HTTP-Bittorrent downloading system to great effect, and it serves to lessen the load on central servers when there is a large spike in traffic on game patch days.

Written by barinov2000 the 3 May 10 at 09:25.

It would be great to have Synaptic check for the best server automatically at the time of OS installation/configuration, or at it's initial run(it can do it now but only if you ask) so more computers pint to different repository mirrors, therefore taking the load off the Main Server mirror.

Note: some people have custom settings for that and it would be nice not to overwrite their settings silently but ask something like "would you like your computer to find the fastest server for upstates and downloads" or something of that sort; and if the click yes remind them that if they have custom repositories then they will be saved so users can go back to their settings if they wish.

Does this make sense?

Peace =)

It would be great to have Synaptic check for the best server automatically at the time of OS installation/configuration, or at it's initial run(it can do it now but only if you ask) so more computers pint to different repository mirrors, therefore taking the load off the Main Server mirror. Note: some people have custom settings for that and it would be nice not to overwrite their settings silently but ask something like "would you like your computer to find the fastest server for upstates and downloads" or something of that sort; and if the click yes remind them that if they have custom repositories then they will be saved so users can go back to their settings if they wish. Does this make sense? Peace =)

Written by artir the 26 Apr 08 at 11:57.

To solve this one solution is to purchase more servers

To solve this one solution is to purchase more servers

Written by frandavid100 the 29 Feb 08 at 00:37.

Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #323 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution. Thanks!

<i>Ubuntu Brainstorm was updated in January 2009. Since the idea #323 was submitted before this update, its rationale and solution are not separated. Please vote accordingly, and if you have the necessary rights, please separate the rationale from the solution.</i><br /> Thanks!