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nand
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 13 Jun 08 at 08:05
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THAT, is something I would like to see discussed and started!
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qense
(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 13 Jun 08 at 13:33
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It's not meant for third-parties, but for vacancies in the Ubuntu Community itself. The other ideas are not what I meant, although they're not bad.
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jcastro
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 13 Jun 08 at 14:41
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I think this idea is brilliant. Something like a craigslist for Ubuntu, really simple and easy to use.
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qense
(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 16:29
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Another thought: wouldn't it be even better if this would be integrated with Launchpad? This would allow every project to ask for people to help, something similar to SourceForge's HelpWanted pages, although I think it should also include static 'jobs' and state very clearly that you aren't limited to one 'job'.
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mgunes
(Ubuntu developer)
wrote on the 24 Jun 08 at 03:27
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I submit two questions:
1) Whether we have a significant pool of passive potential contributors lingering around not doing anything that would be sparked by something like this and start doing things
2) Whether the people who actually have an idea of what they want to do in Ubuntu are having significant difficulty reaching the relevant people and procedures that matter to them
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nand
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 24 Jun 08 at 08:43
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@ mgunes
1) I'd say yes. See this good post by Bryce : http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/53 . And remember when you first started to contribute: the first step is the hardest. You arrive in unknown land, you have no marks. I like this "craiglist" idea as it implies the "jobs" posted here have a mentor attached to it: newcomers would be accompanied into their new "job".
2) For the newcomers, I'd say definitely yes.
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mgunes
(Ubuntu developer)
wrote on the 27 Jun 08 at 02:24
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@nand,
With 1, I mostly agree; mentoring can be a good way to get people up to speed, and if this is going to be mentoring-intensive, all the better.
As for 2, I'm not sure. Most newcomers don't really have an idea of what they want to contribute to, but then this can actually help with that too, if done right.
This needs (and deserves) some more thinking and more specifics.
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qense
(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 27 Jun 08 at 13:32
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Some more thoughts on this idea: http://www.qense.nl/posts/ubuntu-wanted-site-ii
What do you think? I'm going to create a new Blueprint now, please keep giving feedback and add your views to this idea and the blueprint.
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nand
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 27 Jun 08 at 15:58
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On the overall, I find this blueprint good. A few comments:
- On places like this, it's nice for new users to see there is some activity: I propose to have a "job taken" list.
- Also, comments on a job page could be nice.
PRO: it would let prospective users ask about some specific details without joining MLs, and it would prevent same details requests to be asked again and again.
CON: job posters would have another channel to monitor.
- It's maybe not necessary to be so formal about the applying process (submit an application), the job page could just have a description, and pointers to a ML or IRC channel, with persons to contact. It could be up to the choice of the poster to have either the formal process (need him to monitor) or the unformal one (no need for him to monitor).
Concerning the language choice, PHP is also an option. For example Brainstorm is coded in PHP and using drupal, and some others Ubuntu websites are using drupal as well. Besides, to some degree, I think some integration with Brainstorm could be interesting (theme, but also mentoring of ideas, ... ) plus it would avoid some code duplication (Brainstorm is based on a shared module with some utilities).
Concerning all the LP integration stuff, we will also going to use LP OpenID and teams import. ATM the PHP drupal plugin is not ready yet, but I think we can expect it in a few months. For more infos, please join #ubuntu-testing, stgraber could be of some extra help here.
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qense
(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 28 Jun 08 at 09:28
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The jobs taken list sounds good. People often want to see the progress, we've already seen that at Brainstorm where people requested the statuses.
I already thought about the comments, but I didn't add them yet to the blueprint because it seemed a bit unnecessary to me at that point. Something I came up with to solve the con you gave is too send all comments to the mailist and let a bot read all reactions made at the mailist. I'm not sure if this is easy to do, though.
About the formality: the reason why you have to fill in a form is to make it suitable for the bugcontrol team (and other teams of course). They require some questions to be answered. At the moment you have to send the answers to the bugcontrol mailist, but bdmurray already said some time ago that he'd like some automation since most answers can be checked by a computer and are mostly there to show them to the applicant. But I'm sure that a informal application method can be easily integrated. There should be some ways listed to get in contact with the team administrator, though.
Is there a specific place to discuss blueprints? I feel a bit hesitant to making all changes by myself without further discussion. But am I allowed to do so or not? I've never drawn a blueprint before, so I'm not familiar with the proccess.
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nand
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 28 Jun 08 at 15:52
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There is not really a specific place to discuss blueprints: in fact, you can use the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list. There may be very few to no feedback, but that don't mean people are not interested. The fact is, people are quite overloaded, and unless the subject is controversial, they won't bother to answer.
What you should need to do now is to explain your project on the aforementioned ML plus some others relevant ones (such as ubuntu-motu), IRC,... to get as much input as possible to adapt your websites to the needs. Making a website no one use is no fun :p
Then feel free to update your blueprint : it should reflect the results of your input gathering.
Then contact the relevant Ubuntu team (here I'd say the community team, with jcastro, jono, dholbach) to get your blueprint approved and actually start working on it!
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Vadim P.
wrote on the 29 Jun 08 at 19:14
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I'm really interested in such a website.
For example, I need a logo for a foss program that I'm contributing to - right now I'll have to register on a whole lot of forums asking for artists. Having one centralized place for this would've been a lot easier.
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nand
(Brainstorm admin)
wrote on the 3 Jul 08 at 11:01
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@ qense:
Any news?
Concerning feedbacks, don't worry : I got as much feedback one year ago for a potential brainstorm website as you got now for this website.
I recommend you to go see the following announce:
http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1564
Could be interesting to create this site within this effort.
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qense
(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 2 Aug 08 at 10:46
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I've mailed the ubuntu-website mailist. Now I'm waiting for a response from them. I didn't got a repsonse from devel-discuss and since I've just returned from holiday I didn't have time to do some more work on the blueprint. I'll wait with that until I hear something from the website team.
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Blueprint ubuntu-wanted:
Ubuntuforums.org thread #827972
