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Idea #9645: Some Synaptic UI Suggestions



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Written by andruk the 8 Jun 08 at 09:30. Category: Look and Feel.
Related to: Nothing/Others. Status: New
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1) The list of searches (in "Search Results") is cleared after changes are applied. It should not be cleared until the program exits. You may want to include erasing the list after applying changes as an option, but the default action should be to not clear the list.

2) The search button should be replaced with a text input field with the same function. It makes the UI a bit easier to work with. The search box should remember the last searched term until changes are applied (or the program exits). The search box idea itself is from other ideas, but the point of this one is that it should remember the last searched term until changes are applied. In other words, this part is not a complete duplicate.

3) Sections should NOT be grouped into stuff like:
Something
Something (multiverse)
Something (universe)
Something (restricted)

All of the Somethings should be in a single group. Put in an option to see subgroups if the user wants to see where the package is coming from (official, multiverse, universe, or restricted).

4) Sections should be follow the packages placement in the "Applications" pull-down menu. This will make it easier on the user to see where the program goes instead of hunting for it (for instance, where would something like Limewire or Songbird go - music or internet?).

5) Create a restore point before each change or upgrade. This should help the few unlucky admins that let their boxes get away from them. Yes, we all know they should be smarter than that, and that they should learn their OS before attempting to roll it out, and its their own fault, and they are stupid morons, and they shouldn't be admins if they don't understand things. We all know that. But sometimes life isn't really that simple, and people are forced to admin boxes whether or not they are ready for it (my boss had me image and admin a few winblows boxes - yes, I know I should be using Linux in the office, and no, that decision is not up to me, and yes, if it was I would be using a completely Linux office - even though there was a CS major with plenty of time already on staff). Let me be the first person to say that no, I am not completely read up on how to admin things, but I'm not going to tell me boss to give it to somebody else and look like I'm passing the buck. And he didn't want this done when I was ready, he wanted it done fast, and I need the money for school. Anyway, the point is that by creating restore points prior to any program changes (you could even have it ask or put in an option to not make restore points), it makes it really easy for me as a reluctant admin, to roll back any changes I end up not wanting to do. I personally think that Synaptic should copy any config files for a package and the version of the package. Then if after an update, I need to restore the previous package version, Synaptic will re-download the old package, uninstall the new version, and install the old package with my customized config file.
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uaneme wrote on the 8 Jun 08 at 11:18
yes a better search would be nice...

and maybe a filter that seperates the actual applications from libraries, manuals, etc.

I sugested the configfile backup to the synaptic mail list somewhere last year, tho i suspect they forgot about it.
This is not an easy task to collect all the different named config files from ALL the packages out there.

.conf .ini are kinda common tho there is no consequent standard.


this brings me to yet another idea that i will post right away. Use a standard name for config files.

wish me luck on getting votes since this goes all the way up to debian / linux / the whole *NIX cloud...

i'm affraid this will make a new record in negative votes.
tho positive votes might not make it happen but they WOULD EVENTUALLY get the message to a higher place.

anyway

+1 for your idea


















flammon wrote on the 8 Jun 08 at 15:19
5 Ideas and some are dupes. I'm not sure how to vote.
Idea 1 dupe: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3824/
Idea 2 dupe: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9288/
Idea 5 dupe: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7828/

3 and 4 might be dupes but didn't bother to continue searching. Please, if you submit ideas, search for dupes.


andruk wrote on the 8 Jun 08 at 20:53
uaneme: The restore point would only encompass what was going to be overwritten/changed, so we don't end up with a few useless gigs of backed up packages.

flammon: I actually did do a search on "Synaptic", and once I started getting results that only mentioned Synaptic in the comments, I figured I was good. Evidently the search function in Brainstorm needs to be improved a bit. Also, I don't think you read #2 all the way through. My point is that the search bar should remember the last search until changes are applied or the program exits. There is a difference between a complete duplicate (which this is not) and referencing a previous idea (which this does). I suppose that #5 could have been written as a comment on 7828's page, but I wrote it here to have all of my suggestions (some of which are evidently dupes) in one place, hence the title.

DShepherd wrote on the 9 Jun 08 at 03:22
good ideas +1

Tree MendUs wrote on the 20 Jun 08 at 00:55
All Good.

Re point 4 ;

"4) Sections should be follow the packages placement in the "Applications" pull-down menu. This will make it easier on the user to see where the program goes instead of hunting for it (for instance, where would something like Limewire or Songbird go - music or internet?)."

Sometimes the programs do not even add a menu link to Ubuntu, and sometimes not even in the Debian submenu (if that is being displayed)

It would be handy for the user to be able to generate a menu link, if there is none, and also be able to choose where else they would like a menu link, desktop or toolbar links.

For example, installing Gimp -
you might want a link in the graphics menu, but since you have also created a video editing suite menu you might want it there also. Somebody else who uses the PC might be doing Pictorial design and want it in a toolbar.

This adds to the complexity, so should be made optional.

But I agree with your suggestion, because there has been more than one time when I have downloaded a program, installed it. Forgotten that I had, but not found it when looking for it in the menu. Then gone to download it agian, only to find it is installed.
I check in the /usr/bin/ and its there, but there's no info on where the menu link is/was/should be by default.
So where ever the (x!*!!X?!@) link has ended up, it can stay there - I go and manually make a menu link in menu manager (and copy that to toolbars).

Note;
I find I have a preference for a menu structure that catagorizes programs by their function (what they do), and I create toolbars that are based on task/purpose/process.

So I know where to find the programs, and i have them readily at hand for tasks.

I can even number the shortcuts/links in the toolbar, so they get displayed in the order that they get used in the process.

Processes might be "capture video through to burn DVD".
or
"Process picture, generate caption and text, process log, add to web site".



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