Idea
#90: Tabbed Nautilus
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This idea was marked as implemented the 26 September 08.
Available starting Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex.
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Done!
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Written by einalex the 28 Feb 08 at 17:16.
Category: Look and Feel.
Related to:
Nothing/Others.
Status: Implemented
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Description
Enable Nautilus to use tabs.
Nautilus is Ubuntu's default file management software. There is no reason why you should need to open countless Nautilus windows to manage your files. It is time to bring tabs from your web browser to your file browser.
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MakotoTheKnight wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 17:24
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I guess we've been spoiled with Firefox and Konqueror. No problems with that, really -- I was thinking when I first showed up to Ubuntu about three years ago, why it didn't have tabbed Nautilus windows.
It'll probably take some doing, but it's possible at least.
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seiflotfy wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 17:43
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I fully agree.
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exosyst wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 18:12
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Tabbed views, the new GVFS backend and the Picture/Cover flow suggestion would make for an amazing file browser. I want it now, how can i help?
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nfilus wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 21:52
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Sorry, but *NO*. Tabs are NOT the solution for every problem. It's far more easier to set nautilus to "open in same window" and open new windows for other needed directories. This has the advance of beeing able to position side by side and use drag-n-drop - you can't do that with tabs.
NO!
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gryc wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 23:59
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To be honest, this is pretty much the only reason I dont use Gnome.
@nfilus: I can do that with tabs. They dont interfere with my drag-n-drop nor my side-by-side positioning.
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techman83 wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:05
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Tab's would be an interesting feature, and keeping the ability to open seperate windows wouldn't disappear one would assume, as I quite often have multiple FF windows open and many more tabs... work window and a personal window ;)
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Yunfeng wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:10
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This is a bad idea. I hate KDE because of this. Hope gnome still keeps things simple and straightforward.
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deadowl wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:49
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I actually find tabs and split views beneficial to managing files.
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moaxey wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 01:22
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you always need to move files from one place to another
the window model is constantly frustrating for such a common task, and across all os's that i know about
and yet in almost every task you perform on computers, there are a variety of files in a variety of locations that need to be considered together... eg /var/www /home/documents ftp:remoteserver/ etc etc
i was recently testing out kde4, and dolphin there implements this idea that i've had for a long time, to be able to have two views into the file system next to each other in one window.
its great, but it could be heaps better too
- like adding an implemention of diff to graphically compare the two views
- bookmarks for a window of multiple views
- the 'places' sidebar is a similar entity (or the same, as a shortcut to a folder of symlinks)
- right click and choose to open as new view
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hfb wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 01:30
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Good idea
Either way that this goes, I would expect that any tabbed/non-tabbed file browser would have the option of switching off the way FF does ie "open in new tab" etc
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jhoger wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 04:09
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I think that putting tabs into every application is a big mistake. It adds burden on the app developers and gives every application its own way of dealing with tabs. I think the right idea is to have no tabs in the app but make it easier for apps to cooperate with the window manager so that the window manager manages the tabs. Tabs are nothing more than grouped sets of windows, they need to be moved generally to be first-classed objects managed by the WM.
See: IonWM.
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meticulo wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 04:15
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utterly pointless ...
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rumli wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 04:25
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I think this is a great idea. I don't quite get the negative comments above because using tabs is optional; you don't _have_ to use them.
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tdcrenshaw wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 05:08
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tabs would be great and like most features, could be set either off or on depending on the user's preferences
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infekt wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 05:12
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At least have the option for ppl that want tabs and splitscreens. I know I will use it and turn it off when not required. If one believes that is a waste of time, switch th option off. Options are good because they satisfy everyone, not just the the few.
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AndrewGene wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 06:30
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I would love to have tabs or a split window. Konqueror's split window is very nice when you want to move files.
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facundocorradini wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 06:47
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This feature is really necessary.
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Jespa wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 07:24
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You should do this proposition in a gnome site, not in an ubuntu site.
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tshrinivasan wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:21
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I also vote for the tabbed file browser
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haras wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:38
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in vista there is something quite nice, you can click on directory button in your present path and change dir in the middle of the speeding-up your browsing ability
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wolux wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:51
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Tabs are not the best, but split view like in dolphin or Konqueror would be great...
Ok, the space mode is very ergonomic for drag'n drop, but it's a pain (sorry for my english, don't know if this word is adapted for this) to resize and place windows, for optimal viewing of content. And I like to have shortcuts in the sidebar, which doesn't appear in space mode. So, the best way for me is to activate compiz fusion and install tile plugin, so that I can launch 2 nautilus windows on a free desktop and tile vertically these windows with a shortcut of my choice.
The problem is that sometimes, I don't use compiz cause of blender.
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Velvet Elvis wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:59
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Additional thought: Perhaps the proposal should be to replace Nautilus with PCmanFM as the default file manager.
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ernz wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 09:14
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@ ALL TAB HATERS:
I can see where you are coming from. I personally welcome the idea of tabbed browsing within a file manager. Most of the argument AGAINST this concept is drag and drop related, so how about if within Nautilus there was also the option for split minimalist windows as an alternative/addition to a tabbed view?
I can't think of an easier way to graphically manipulate files.
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CASA wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 10:32
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I'm really looking forward to the release day of the tabbed file manager!
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lokki wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 12:42
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Great idea.
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einalex wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 12:55
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The talk about tabs should be done on WM level is pretty pointless since there simply are no tabs in Metacity. This is an issue since 2001. Time enough to do tabs there. It wasn't done. It won't happen.
Besides, there is interaction between a program and it's tabs. You wouldn't be able to open Firefox with a given set of start pages if Firefoxe's tabs where on wm level.
Even Vim has a kind of tabs (multiple buffers) Word processors have it. Gimp has it. I don't quite get why a filemanager, easily the most used tool on a PC should force me to open each directory in a new instance.
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deepclutch wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 13:41
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This is something that needed to be implemented ASAP.Hope Ubuntu team listen.may be,it is the job of Gnome devels'still Ubuntu team can try :)
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Eldmannen wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:09
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Browsers and file managers are different.
In browsers you spend much time at one page just reading.
In file managers, you actually goto specific file, and open it.
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MakotoTheKnight wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:37
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It looks like the consensus for this project is split down the middle. There are strong points to having a tabbed window manager, and there are definitely weak points to it, as well.
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scaine wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 15:28
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If it was split down the middle, we'd be on zero votes - we're currently on about 500 at the time of writing this comment.
This is clearly something people would like. Saying that it's not been done since 2001, so it won't be done is incredible logic - it's not been done in a while, so there's no value to doing it? That's why IE is losing market share, or at least was until IE7 introduced tabs.
Besides, in FF and IE you have the option - open in a tab, or open a new window. If the same approach was taken in Nautilus, everyone would be happy.
Course, since Nautilus is gnome, even if they implement tabs, they'll choose a (safe/simplified/dumbed down) default, then bury the option to change it either in a preferences window, or gconf-tool, where you'll be hard pushed to find it...
(and yet I keep using gnome...)
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edboyww wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 16:52
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OK, make then if Nautilus will not have the tabbing feature (I voted for it), then make some other file manager default that does (and as expandable as nautilus)!
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fredtorrey wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 17:22
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I always have a million windows open for looking at my files. I agree that tabs would be a help! If a browser can do it, Nautilus can do it.
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KhaaL wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 17:27
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I wish nautilus were more like dolphin. I don't care much for tabbed browsing, but dual panel really helps when moving around a bunch of files. I also love the location bar in dolphin: if you click on a folder there, you can browse directly to other folders at that level.
This change has been sought for a long time, and I can't see this change coming to nautilus unless it's done by the ubuntu team...
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thomaswm wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 18:37
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Great idea.
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izte wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 19:20
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Supports this. If tab-haters don't like it, don't use it.
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rawsausage wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 22:11
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This is a usability issue. It makes the geospatial model too complex, especially width first. Ideally most of the tasks should be accomplishable by just one window, there is something else wrong in the workflow if you feel like needing tabs. Tabs in file manager are more of hideous KDE usability charlie fox.
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pablovp86 wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 22:42
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Tabs are great, there is a bug on bugzilla to implement "galeon style tabs" on nautilus, but it's two years old, i think it deserves better priority, many people are waiting for this feature (look at the CC list of this bug).
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tremby wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 23:57
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...with the added ability to detach a tab, for use when it turns out that some drag and drop would be the easiest way to do something.
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ckontros wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 01:15
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I think this would be an excellent option. Unfortunately, this is not the place to request it and really get it implemented.
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Velvet Elvis wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 03:07
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OK. So my workflow sucks if I let a few hundred random files build up in /home/downloads. That doesn't change the fact that I've got to sort them sooner or later and with evolution it's so cumbersome that I'm better off using the shell and regex. What do the vast majority of people who don't know regex do? I have no idea. I suspect they let the files build up unitl they are in the thousands.
My FM of choice is krusader, even in gnome. The old gnome commander was OK but it seems to be unmaintained and doesn't have shell integration.
The twin pane norton commander paradigm has yet to be beat. I'm not sure that it ever will be.
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Velvet Elvis wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 10:21
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-sooner or later and with evolution it's so cumbersome that I'm better off using the shell and regex. What do the vast majority of people who don't
+sooner or later and with Nautilus it's so cumbersome that I'm better off using the shell and regex. What do the vast majority of people who don't
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taron wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 11:01
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I also want those tabs.
And for drag and drop... it would be possible if you could drop your item on the tab itself, not on the whiter background of the opened directory (hope you understand what I mean).
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mysticmatrix wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 03:44
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[quote]you should report this on gnome website[/quote]
Now if only they had polls/forums/brainstorm....
Plus what the use to report[bugs??] as it is Gnome developers that decide what is easy for ME to use and how I am so stupid not to have that extra feature....
Better Ubuntu developers hack their way through....
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LostOverThere wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 08:01
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Uh...isn't this a GNOME issue?
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stevec wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 20:37
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"I think that putting tabs into every application is a big mistake. It adds burden on the app developers and gives every application its own way of dealing with tabs. I think the right idea is to have no tabs in the app but make it easier for apps to cooperate with the window manager so that the window manager manages the tabs. Tabs are nothing more than grouped sets of windows, they need to be moved generally to be first-classed objects managed by the WM."
This comment by jhoger is exactly right. However I think it's a lot more likely we'll see tabs implemented in every application before we'll see window managers taking over tabbing abilities and applications deferring to that.
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christoph¬ wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 20:25
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I always trap myself trying to open Tas in Nautilus ^^
christoph¬
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freepenguin wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 09:50
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we really need it!!
FreePenguin.it
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bradwjensen wrote on the 14 Mar 08 at 07:10
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If you put tabs in Nautilus, those tabs should be be able to be pulled out from the window and released to be their own independent window. Then, independent windows should be able to be replaced back with the other tabs, or merged back to one Nautilus window with tabs from multiple independent windows..
Also, when one opens a window more then once - those tabs should "merge" together so you don't end up with more then one of the same tab.
For closing the tabs, you should have a little text sized 'x' like pidgin uses now to save space, and they should be optional close buttons. some people would just close them with Ctrl+w
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natureflow wrote on the 19 Mar 08 at 10:13
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gedit has also tab support. Why nautilus shouldn't have it?
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jimcooncat wrote on the 21 Mar 08 at 21:33
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... and I'd like gnome-panel's window list to behave more like tabs, too. And a pony, dammit!
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gabtrat wrote on the 22 Mar 08 at 07:16
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I agree. Tabs are really useful in other programs so why not in nautilus? Novice users or people who don't like them don't have to use them.
I'd also like to see a "tab's view" that shows each window that is open in a tab side-by-side in columns.
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Rabbid wrote on the 23 Mar 08 at 19:35
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Lately I have really seen the need for this, especially when i'm arranging/sorting large amounts of pictures.
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baindramage wrote on the 24 Mar 08 at 17:35
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+1
I'd love the ability to open multiple directories in Nautilus without having to have a separate window open for each. The reduce in clutter would be immense.
HOWEVER, I think using the same tab functionality as Firefox would be annoying as it would only allow for viewing one directory at a time and thus not improve usablity by much. Instead, each tab should be able to be opened side-by-side in the same window, and would allow for quicker multi-directory viewing, moving, copying, etc., etc.
Cheers
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bryhoyt wrote on the 26 Mar 08 at 02:32
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I think this is a great idea. To answer people who believe "tabs aren't the answer to everything", I would agree. But do you have a better solution to the problem of lots of open windows?
Implementing tabs in a window manager is a nice idea, but it's hard to get it right. I used pekwm for a while, which grouped windows together, but it wasn't that nice to use -- largely because you want your tabs to be *directly* above your document. For example, in Firefox, the tabs sit above the webpage, and then the toolbars, location bar, etc, sits above that. If the tab was in the window titlebar, it would be hard to associated it properly with the document.
Also, if the tab is in the titlebar, then you have to decide what the WM will do when you click on an inactive titlebar -- should the WM select the new tab corresponding to the part of the titlebar that you clicked, and switch to it, or just select the window, and only switch tabs if you click on a tab while the window is active?
There's obviously better ways of doing it than pekwm does, but it requires a fair bit of thoughtful design. The easy way for now is for the app to do it -- i.e. nautilus.
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bryhoyt wrote on the 26 Mar 08 at 02:47
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I realized something else -- I hope you'll forgive me posting two comments in a row!
Tabs are almost exactly the same as bookmarks. Very very handy bookmarks. The differences are:
1) tabs sit right above the document they're associated with,
2) tabs keep state, meaning that any entered text, open folders, scrolled pages, etc, stay the way they are when you switch away and then switch back
3) tabs stay in memory, meaning the switch is instant (although sometimes I get frustrated by how slow Firefox's tabs can be!)
4) tabs are less permanent; you don't generally think twice about closing a tab, but you wouldn't delete a bookmark very often. But with Firefox saving tabs on close, I find more and more that I'm using tabs almost like very handy bookmarks.
(also, nautilus's bookmarks appear on the side, and tab's usually appear at the top. This is obviously a very superficial difference, and there'd be no need to even consider changing it -- I quite like having "tabs" on the side.)
What about, instead of implementing tabs, nautilus makes better use of its bookmarks functionality? I *always* use the sidebar in nautilus (which I never set to anything besides "Places") to quickly switch between folders I commonly use. Indispensable, and I'd never go back.
But what if those bookmarks did all the above -- saving state, staying in memory (until you close the window), associating with the open directory better (the selected tab could flow into the browsing pane similarly to firefox).
Number (4) might be a killer -- you want tabs to easy to delete and rearrange, without messing up your bookmarks. I guess this'd require some thought. Maybe treat tabs as a bookmarks "sketchpad", from which to potentially save more permanent bookmarks into another area.
I'm not suggesting this as a "cheap", not-so-good implementation of tabs. I'm suggesting it as way to use UI paradigms we've got and make them better; a way of linking two different UI concepts and reducing UI clutter. It might just be a bad idea, though!
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ubuntu4fun wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 09:18
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What about, instead of implementing tabs, nautilus makes better use of its bookmarks functionality?
I think it's better idea than tabs.
If You are looking for tabbed file manager PCMan FM is the application You will love. It's the fastest FM for GNOME, XFCE, and LXDE.
What I really miss in Nautilus is dual pane view. Tabs don't always solve the problem of managing files.
I think You should try Gnome Commander:
http://www.nongnu.org/gcmd/
and decide what is needed more: tabs or dual pane view?
For me dual pane view in FM is the most important feature I miss in Ubuntu.
So I voted: NO !
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Redrazor39 wrote on the 19 Apr 08 at 02:47
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Then also have it so when you drag a tab out of the window, it creates a new window. When you drag a titlebar of a nautilus into the tab bar of another nautilus, it merges them via tabs. There should be an option under the "View" menu to "Merge as split view" so all open nautilus windows and tabs merge into a lengthened window that has a split view.
Also, add the column hierarchy that Finder in OS X has. That's really useful and cool.
something coverflow-esque would be nice, but How about something XMB-based (PSP and PS3 menu) with coverflow effects and style? This way, you could maximize into this view, and use the arrow keys or mouse to move through your list. When you clicked on a file, it opens it. When you click on a folder, it opens the folder vertically so now you have a vertical coverflow-esque view with the horizontal folders and files one level up grayed out. Then, it continues as you browse your files. there can be a bar at the top that is your favorites (like the places menu and anything else you drag to it)
I'll develop into this idea more- I think I just came up with something cool
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NullZ3r0 wrote on the 1 May 08 at 08:49
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Look the new Gnome 2.24 roadmap:
Nautilus: tabbed interface! Yay! :)
I agree they should implement Finder's column view. And we also need some iCandy for the file manager, so a cover flow view would be really useful for getting people to Ubuntu.
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lemmy wrote on the 9 May 08 at 12:41
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Yes, this would be really useful.
Coming from windows and using Xplorer2 I really miss this feature.
(In X2, there are two columns, and each can have its own tabs.)
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EnigMattic35 wrote on the 12 Jul 08 at 15:27
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I'd rather have dual/multi pane than tabs for file management
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nitrofurano wrote on the 6 Sep 08 at 18:06
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+1!
This is indeed so needed as briefing air, getting sunlight, and drinking water! =)
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r0g wrote on the 11 Sep 08 at 23:44
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
I HATE TABS!
REALLY!
If it is incorporated it MUST be an option yo can switch off or disable. I like my dozens of windows and I HATE FRICKIN TABS. If this we're not optional it would probably be enough to drive me back to windows.
NO TABS,
You got that?!
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r0g wrote on the 11 Sep 08 at 23:48
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I mean it's not like there's not a dozen things you could to improve nautilus already: 'Open as SU', 'Paths in search results', 'open containing folder in search results', 'right click to customize columns' etc etc etc... this shouldn't even be on the list IMHO.
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mfx wrote on the 14 Sep 08 at 20:31
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I dream about something like that (option)
_________________________________
| File Edit bla bla bla |
| Toolbar with icons |
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| |first |second |
| Side |work |work |
| Panel |area |area |
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|/-\/-\ |___________|__________ |
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mfx wrote on the 14 Sep 08 at 20:38
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excus, I meant two workings areas (like Gnome commander )
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brettalton wrote on the 26 Sep 08 at 02:20
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This is in GNOME 2.24
Can someone mark as implemented?
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