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...because is full of lame ideas(many ot them are not even ideas) and nobody is seriously cleaning/maintaining all this mess.
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kazagistar wrote on the 23 May 08 at 14:15
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It's a resource.
Does it HARM anything in any way?
Because if not, it might as well stay around, because any small benefits it provides is still a benefit.
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Auzy wrote on the 23 May 08 at 14:31
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I agree it does need more cleanup, and that the community can barely even get along here half the time, but provided that the brainstorm developers actively work hard to fix the faults, I think we will get there. I do believe these can be fixed..
Now, in terms of what I will vote, its pretty obvious, but it ends with a 1, and starts with -
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Tuxoid wrote on the 23 May 08 at 18:33
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No, negative ideas like this just have to be deleted. Please be constructive.
-1
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unimatrix wrote on the 23 May 08 at 19:32
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Please delete this. It is insulting to the community.
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neon wrote on the 23 May 08 at 19:43
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Hm, you mean like this one?
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gjoellee wrote on the 23 May 08 at 20:07
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There sure are many lazy ideas, but many good to, and by the way: This one is laze :S
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holizz wrote on the 23 May 08 at 20:42
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+100000 I agree, apart from the closing down.
I only come on Brainstorm when I'm bored. It's my free software equivalent to Facebook.
It is just filled with moaners who want Ubuntu to be exactly like Windows. And people with really stupid or unimplementable ideas.
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adrian2 wrote on the 23 May 08 at 21:23
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cleaning up is good, closing down is bad, implementing is good, closing down is bad, banning numb nuts users is good( i don't want to give a number), closing down is bad.... does anyone see where i'm going with this?
-1 dude, chill!
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Rabbid wrote on the 23 May 08 at 21:51
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Lame ideas will get voted down, good ideas will get voted up.
Just because there is many lame ideas shutting it down ist just stupid.
What if I wanted to "shut down" Earth because the increasing amount of retards? Should i do it? :P
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6205 wrote on the 23 May 08 at 22:39
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OK, nice, nice...main purpose was achieved, to get some atention and emphasise Brainstorm's biggest problem. And that are BFU's posting with rapid speed one bull**t after another.
I don't want to of couse shutdown this site, but Brainstorm is beginning to be some kind of lamer's lair. Brutal moderation is frakin' necessary ASAP, because BFU's are in majority and soon will be Brainstorm full of 'ideas' like, "I want more nature wallpapers" and please update(prefered app) to latest version or "I cannot play video's on this site..., fix it for next release"
C'mon, people, i mean, there are 3 types of comments >>>
1./ Update my Firefox, Drivers or Whatever FRAK ASAP!
2./ Fix something (Hibernate/Suspend) - kernel related
3./ Add some frakin' wizard/manager or gui frontend - mostly GNOME/KDE related..
Solutions >>>
1./ www.getdeb.net is good for many updates - wanna more? donate! or volunteer to maintain packages in universe...
2./ Google and spam these people, not Brainstorm http://www.google.cz/search?hl=sk&rls=com.microsoft%3Ask&q=kernel+contributors& lr=
3./ Spam their developers, not Ubuntu 'packagers'
Brainstorm should seriously filter out these people more aresivelly and also much more invest energy explaining what they CAN fix or change in Ubuntu, so anybody else will know what kind of 'idea' posting is relevant.
Maybe this entire site shoud be about dozen of pools and finito baby. Pool for multimedia, drivers, apps, artwork...vote vote vote and shape your buntu..
Amen :)
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piotrekp wrote on the 24 May 08 at 08:34
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IMO Brainstorm became something like wishlist for all linux distros. And that is what users want: the newest software, system without bugs, wizards and gui frontends. So this shouldn't be called Ubuntu Brainstorm, but Open Source Brainstorm.
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fusiondog wrote on the 24 May 08 at 13:58
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I hate to tell you this 6205, if that IS your real name.. ;), but your 123 list isn't going to be as obvious to the world as you think it is.
1. getdeb.net doesn't advertise Nationally and I've certainly never heard of it before and they don't have my vixie-cron 4.1.. and donating randomly to anyone is no way to assure you are getting what you paid for. Though donating to projects you use and get value from should always be encouraged: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9016/
2. Just because you can google a hack for a problem doesn't mean we shouldn't encourage a fix in the distro release... That makes no sense... I mean I like doing things the hard way too, but we shouldn't build it in when we know there is a fix. By the way, Hibernate and Suspend work great in Hardy, thanks Brainstorm!
3. I'm almost with you on 3. We shouldn't necessarily bug the Ubuntu people about front ends for packages they don't maintain... However this still provides a service TO the Ubuntu package developers because it still provides metrics about what is important to their user base.
+1 for getting a conversation started..
-2 for whiny drama bomb!
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piotrekp: Ubuntu = Future of Open Source Desktop.
Keep listening Ubuntu! Build it Better and they will come.
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autonomouse wrote on the 24 May 08 at 14:20
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I love this site because its like a little microcosm that reflects real life. Most people think that democracy is a good thing, but as Winston put it: “The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter”.
The solution in real life governance as in the Ubuntu community is better education for the masses and, of course, tolerance.
Speaking as a user more than a programmer, this site has been great for finding out about all sorts of things and as long as these ideas are acted on, then we should keep it. Obviously, the ideas aren't just going to happen, it may take months for them to filter through and be worked on, but in the meanwhile, don't give up hope.
So that'll be a -1 from me then.
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Primož Papič wrote on the 25 May 08 at 21:01
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Well you're comment makes everything more clear...
But even though some ideas have no place here they should be posted, just to see what users of Ubuntu want. No where on this site there's anything about that all of ideas or even themost popular will be actually implemented. It's some kind of an wish list...
So it's here to stay, but other devs, like KDE or GNOME could implement their own "brainstorm" sites, where specific proposals would be pitched.
0 from me, i can see your frustration.
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6205 wrote on the 26 May 08 at 05:17
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Uhm...i see that also many 'ideas' are actually some kind of wish to.. "configure (specified app) the way that i use it.." - thigs you can do in a minute :)
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Tuxoid wrote on the 27 May 08 at 18:09
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I feel the desire discourage any idea through deleting it is a knife in chest of the free software community.
Therefore, I apologize for my previous statement that this idea should be deleted. I feel that if these ideas didn't exist, we in the community would have but only head-in-the-clouds ideas that would never have much foundation. The issue with deleting those ambitious ideas, if those ambitious ideas didn't exist, where would Linux go? If no one every had incredibly ambitious ideas in the free software community, would Gnome or KDE exist; would we have Ubuntu; Would we even have distros?
On the other hand, people sometimes do need a reality check. Can Ubuntu make your computer work absolutely perfectly with no hiccups tomorrow, but have issues today? Rome wasn't built in a day, but as the structure gets better and better, we can reach for these ambitious ideas. Maybe not today, maybe not next week, month, or even year, but we know that those ideas are there for when they're possible. Not all ideas here will be possible eventually, since some require perfection.
I feel that wishing to keep Linux, where it's at, right now, in terms of ease-of-use, does not fit the concept of an Operating System. Before Operating Systems, computers were usable through, re-wiring, punch-cards, switchboards, and eventually, non-volatile reprogramming. Generally, you were required to re-program a computer for each and every use case. Eventually, C-Based Operating Systems allowed for the use of programs, without the need to re-program them frequently. That was with the advent of UNIX, and after UNIX, things kept getting easier.
The nature of an Operating System is to simplify computer usage. We even see thing in Linux. With Linux, you don't need to re-program your very computer every time you need it to do something new.
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6205 wrote on the 30 May 08 at 06:31
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Tuxoid@ you dont need to be politically correct. If you don't like this 'idea' i can live with that :)
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Tuxoid wrote on the 30 May 08 at 21:15
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I'm sorry if I sounded politically correct. I just meant that both opposing sides are important. I'm not going to put down your idea because I don't think it contributes anything to the conversation. I'm just saying that there is validity on both sides of the argument, but with both sides, you need to take the ideas with a grain of salt in how applicable they are.
I dislike political correctness. It downplays the importance of views. I didn't want to downplay the views of either side, and I'm sorry if that's what it sounded like I was doing. I can't say what either side believes in depth, because everyone is going to vary. I tried my best to summarize the beliefs (as I would see them), on each side of the argument.
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gjoellee wrote on the 23 Jun 08 at 07:50
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I think ides like this should have -100000000000000 votes instead for -1 votes....this is soooooo LAME!
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Tree MendUs wrote on the 2 Aug 08 at 11:18
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Hey Folks!
This Has got to be a joke.
If a person doesn't want a web site to exist - in their own world view.
All they need to do is ; ...
"Don't Visit It".
But here we have somebody saying "I don't like this, and I don't want anybody else to enjoy it either".
So how can we solve this?
May I suggest and idea (please - this is Brainstorm)?
The concept of the "Button Button" (The Button of all Buttons).
This button could be placed somewhere prominently on the Brainstorm website.
When it is clicked on the website will make itself un-viewable to you, thus giving every appearance of having been destroyed (at least from the visitors world view).
Note the methods for making the website un-viewable may be considered a matter of security, but methods may be possible.
That way, everybody is happy. Those that want the website removed, will not be able to see it.
And those that didn't want the website removed can still see it.
Makes Sense?
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