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I really like gEdit, it's a simple app and abides by all gnome standards. Any changes in preferences are reflected in the editor.
I do wish however that ith ad more features. The first of which is code folding.
Plain and simple.
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vexorian wrote on the 17 May 08 at 20:46
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+0
You could just install another text editor if you got more advanced needs though, for example, geany is very nice. There's also Kate and some others.
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Eldmannen wrote on the 17 May 08 at 22:04
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Should gedit be a text editor or a IDE?
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PeterKraus wrote on the 17 May 08 at 23:05
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xEmacs!!
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Omega wrote on the 17 May 08 at 23:35
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I think you guys are trolling with the wrong idea in mind. I don't want an IDE, I want a simple text editor. There are quite a few plugins however that compliment the editor with useful functionality.
It's not unreasonable to want an extension that provides any sort of functionality - that's generally the idea behind gEdit.
Specifically:
vexorian, geany doesn't support opening files over gnome VFS and isn't as closely tied in with the gnome project & APIs.
Eldmannen, that's not really the question and completely irrelevant to the request for an extension. gEdit already has piles of IDE-like functionality much beyond what I'm requesting. Don't oversimplify too much - but appreciate that I enjoy gEdit for it's simplicity! :)
PeterKraus, I don't like emacs and I want an editor I can use without adding hours of time learning how to use it and all it's unique keybindings. It also doesn't integrate with the conviniences offered by gnome-desktop as nicely (VFS, drag & drop, etc).
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jhoger wrote on the 18 May 08 at 06:43
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+0, DontCare
At the risk of being labeled a troll as you did some others:
I don't mind if gEdit gets better. But seriously, if you're a programmer (which you probably are if you want folding) pick a mainstream programmer's editor and spend the time to learn it. Consider it an investment. To my mind that means Vim or Emacs. They are available on all platforms, they are free, and have evolved a rich set of features over time.
You could have spent the time to submit this idea and comment to the commenters digging into the Vim help system/tutorial :-)
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Adys wrote on the 18 May 08 at 10:10
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This is being worked on by the gtkSourceView team.
You guys commenting are trolls. gedit is an amazing piece of software for such a simple editor. IDEs are most often bloated and awful. Vim is the extreme opposite by not providing a mouse interface.
gedit is a very nice in-between. Offers a lot of options, not bloated, provides plugin support ...
I understand some may not like coding with gedit, but don't try and tell others it's a bad idea to do so. That's irrespective and intolerant.
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Omega wrote on the 18 May 08 at 13:43
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jhoger, again - yes, you are trolling.
In my view, vim is the most infuriating editor I've ever come to encounter. emacs is only second to vim in terms of adding arrogant and masochistic complexity.
The whole reason I like gEdit is because it doesn't add time to my projects by being a tool I use. On the other hand, what all you
To make matters worse, you obviously didn't read my notes about VFS integration and being tightly coupled with gnome. The nice thing about gEdit is I can also rely on it (heavily!) between iterations of gnome. It'll always be there, it'll always sport the latest integration features.
It's not like I'm asking for syntactic sugar, automatic indentation, project files and a class browser - some of which are available!
If your argument is so valid, let me tell you that I think anyone who uses emacs or vi shouldn't be using them because they are outdated, static and arcane.
Feel any better now?
My guess is many people coming on doing what you trolls are doing are little more than kiddies trying to regurgitate canned rhetoric. It's too bad you have to come on and ruin brainstorm the way you do - and yes - I am making this personal.
Read the idea and do research, gEdit supports extensions for a reason.
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jhoger wrote on the 18 May 08 at 14:26
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No, I'm not a troll or a kiddie (don't take criticism or advice well, do ya?), I'm a professional programmer since 1995. I have a comp sci degree and my MBA.
Vim at least is not "static" and certainly not arcane (maybe you're thinking of vi?). Outdated... not sure what that means. Vim has an integrated diff tool, access to the command line, macros, scriptability in Python, and more. If Vim has a big weak spot I would say it is not XML schema-aware.
Yes it has a learning curve, but so do all power tools. In the end they make you more productive, but they do require an investment of time.
I think I made that clear. Just throwing insults at people doesn't have much value as an argument.
There is a very strong value to having more mindshare on a few open source projects rather than diffused across many. This is the logical rationale for encouraging programmers to use one of the more capable editors.
And I did read about the Gnome integration. I don't really use Gnome so I value thoses feature at +0 as well. Vim can access files via FTP, scp, etc. which is useful. generally though I just check out files to a "hard disk" and navigate to them with Vim's built in "file browser."
Kiddies.... LOL.
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oblique63 wrote on the 18 May 08 at 22:56
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can we please all handle this like the mature think-tank Brainstorm is supposed to be?
I agree with Omega, and all this talk about which editor is 'better' is completely irrelevant to the point of the idea, which is to simply add a small feature to a simple editor...
Brainstorm is supposed to generate ideas that are going to benefit the community, and telling that massive group in the community that uses gedit for programming, that their preferred text editor is unsuitable for 'real' programming is just an insult... ubuntu is not about telling people which apps are better to 'invest your time in', it is about better suiting people's Already Existing needs, and for plenty of people, that means bettering gedit...
so while advice from 'professional programmers' does have its time and place, it is not Ububtu's job to be enforcing these views, regardless of whether they're 'better' or not...
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Omega wrote on the 19 May 08 at 00:29
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jhoger, and you sincerely would be the worst person to allocate such decisions as you seem incapable of prioritizing anything outside of your own perspective.
Getting jealous over "mindshare" over improvements is outright paranoid and selfish.
As if you can't take views on any more antipathetic to Ubuntu & FOSS, you have to now try and tell me what to use.
Get lost before I contact admins, troll. You're ruining a perfectly good & acceptable idea. As for your qualifications, an MBA+comp sci is a really nice way to say "Professional Professional".
I deal with arrogant rhetoric spewing pinheads like you every day. Your canned ideology and lack of acceptance for other peoples' preferences is bothersome.
Go channel your idiocy elsewhere. Your punk-ass incredulity and astonished musings are patent troll tactics.
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jhoger wrote on the 19 May 08 at 20:48
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"Your canned ideology and lack of acceptance for other peoples' preferences"
The rest of us call those "opinions." Call your mom, er, the admins, please. And the flame-bait name calling really doesn't do you any credit.
BTW, I submitted an idea you would love, that users should be able to ban specific or all others from commenting on their ideas. Everyone hates it.
I think the only good comment in your opinion is one that agrees with you.
Plus, you are extremely rude and engage in falacious arguments and personal attacks. At least I give the polite appearance of taking your comments seriously.
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Omega wrote on the 19 May 08 at 23:45
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Hm...and it has appeared to result in you now permanently dogging down every issue I'm involved in.
You're a lot worse than you're going to want to admit jhoger and I think your presence in this community is a negative one.
You also try to goad people far too much in your arrogant responses. I hope you get bored of harassing people with decent ideas and go away.
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Auzy wrote on the 20 May 08 at 02:27
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Actually, I hate to push in, but I don't believe Jhoger is trolling in this case. He does have a valid opinion (there are many IDE's that can help).
Also, you were VERY quick to jump in and call everyone trolls actually..
Gedit isn't really intended to be an IDE, and whilst IDE's may sometimes seem bloated, they really aren't that bad in my opinion (in eclipse, you can hide all the menu's for instance).
I prefer eclipse, and to be honest, don't see many people using gedit for coding. But I don't see any disadvantage in adding funtionality, so +0. Don't see it as a priority, but if its added, its added..
However, you will notice that nobody has really -1'ed this, as they just don't see it as a priority, but they don't mind if its added. So as a developer, the great thing for you, is that you can add the functionality, and nobody will complain.
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jhoger wrote on the 22 May 08 at 01:18
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Another possibility is to add the Gnome integration features to GVim or Emacs, or some other programmer's editor. It would be less work than turning gEdit into a serious programmer's editor.
It's like saying "I love Notepad! It's so small and simple! Please add all remaining features to make it a great programmer's editor."
You're better off starting from somewhere else and adding the Gnome integration.
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Omega wrote on the 27 May 08 at 20:43
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I don't like any of those editors - what don't you guys understand about that?
I want a python module for gEdit that adds code folding. Make it an optional package if you have such a problem with it. The whole idea is that I like gEdit for its simplicity.
I in no way want to compromise that. But constantly suggesting bloated alternatives - I PROMISE YOU - is not going to satisfy this idea.
Holy hell you guys, lay off of it already.
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Omega wrote on the 27 May 08 at 20:54
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As an added note, jhoger, gedit already exceeds notepad in quality and functionality. What exactly is your example? You're gesturing towards a limitation you've envisioned.
If they didn't want it to be extensible, they wouldn't have added python bindings.
Your idea of a programmer's editor and mine are very different. I'm not asking for an IDE, I'm asking for a good text editor. EMACS and VI suck as far as I and about 99% of the people I've spoken to. You'll be hard pressed to find the opposite - they're not intuitive.
Eclipse is bloated and suddenly I'm spending more time managing my environment than my code.
Seriously. Please. Just accept that you are incapable of understanding how and what I use an editor for. You're too high level in your approach and you just keep brutalizing the intention.
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Auzy wrote on the 28 May 08 at 03:21
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Omega. I think the thing is, most of us just don't have any use for code folding in gedit, so a lot of us voted +0. Hence why Jhoger voted +0, I voted +0, and many other people have.
It means we don't disagree, but we have no real use for it.
My reason for voting, is that Eclipse is not that hard, and it can be used in a text editor type way if you wish.
And these days, linux only takes about 10GB to install, and nobody uses a harddisk that is smaller then 40GB. So eclipse may be big (200MB), but you could still fit 200 copies of eclipse on a 40GB hdd. And that being said, haven't met any developers recently who have anything less then 80GB. So I don't think we could really say its big.
I'll also add, that you consider "You could just install another text editor if you got more advanced needs though, for example, geany is very nice. There's also Kate and some others." to be trolling.. Which is most definately not.
Like Vex said, there are many editors which are still small and work well (like anjuta). So this isn't a priority, because an equivilent exists.
So still +0
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tgape wrote on the 4 Jun 08 at 16:05
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To be quite honest, the only reason why I use vim is that it does nearly everything I want out of my IDE, and does so quickly, and I know how to use it. From a purely pragmatic perspective, its user interface is atrocious.
In my view, Emacs is no better. While it gives an impression of being more user-friendly, it has so many functions bound to a few keystrokes that it cannot possibly be intuitive. Furthermore, unlike vim, it is computationally expensive (not the place to argue this point.)
Note: I am not saying that either program is static or outdated; I know both communities to be very active. However, neither community has any desire to fix the fundamental problems which cause many users to avoid them.
The open source community would be well served by a clean, easy to use GUI IDE - a program that uses graphical menus for its commands, rather than arcane keystrokes. However, while you value the Gnome integration with gEdit, I personally devalue it. My ideal IDE would have a separation of code, isolating the GUI portion from the main code, enabling it to be connected to several different GUIs, such that it was well-integrated with multiple desktops, instead of just one. gEdit, from what I have heard, lacks this separation, as it was developed from the outset to be integrated with Gnome. So while I appreciate your goals, +0.
Note: I did see the comment about Eclipse, and I do know about Eclipse. That's all I should say about that here.
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glibik wrote on the 8 Jun 08 at 06:35
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Would be of little to no benefit to me, but can see a benefit to others. So;
Vote = +1
P.S.
Suspect this is a duplicate.
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powellc wrote on the 18 Jun 08 at 02:14
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Been a while for this one, but I vote +1. I don't want to have to fire up Eclipse to work on a small web project.
Gedit has become such a useful tool over the years and the plugins make it as simple and lean as it needs to be as a "text editor" for GNOME but as extensible and powerful as a simple coder might need.
I would not go so far as calling jhoger a troll, but answers like that miss the point. A discussion about why it would be hard to implement or if gedit is incapable of being extend in this way would make sense. But to simply say, "serious" developers don't use Gedit for real coding is inappropriate for Brainstorm. Stay focused on the question. A response for alternatives is better suited to a question on Ubuntu Forums.
There's already a brainstorm item for this, but GEdit has the potential to be like Textmate on Mac OS X, simple to start but surprisingly powerful under the hood. Eclipse and the other editors listed take a very traditional stance on what a "developer" editor is. They are powerful, but they look powerful too and often provide too much of that power up front making it hard to just get work done.
Viva GEdit, and let's see code folding. We already have snippets.
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n8m wrote on the 28 Jul 08 at 02:39
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Gedit needs this last feature to be completly usable as PHP editor. Could be that IDE's Aptana etc ... are more Powerfull, but they also have a huge overhead on functions that are mostly implemented for huge projects, but those features sometimes cost you time in small projects.
It would be nice to have a good lightweight editor that has the same "basic" features like the big IDE's but less complexity.
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