http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/8368/ Canonical could help the Gnome3-developers e.g. with money, tips, pc-resources or something else to speed up the development and to create a better Gnome3-release.
(KDE4 has much more features than Gnome, it is faster and looks better (my oppinion). Also it uses the powerful Qt4 as widgetset that is better than GTK+ at time. Gnome is going to leave behind KDE)
[edit] I dont't say that any DE is better, but Gnome needs help and Ubuntu primary uses Gnome. KDE4 is a great DE without help from the Ubuntu developers. [/edit]
[Sorry for my English]

[268 votes] Solution #1: Auto-generated solution of idea #8368


]]> en-us Sun, 11 May 2008 15:39:07 +0000 Mon, 25 May 2009 01:23:10 +0000 QAPoll module http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/8368/ Sun, 11 May 2008 17:23:30 +0000 Sun, 11 May 2008 18:16:36 +0000
And that if Gnome 3 is to ever become a reality, that it should be worked on by the majority of the developers (not a few dabblers like now is the case). Maybe skip a 2.x releasedate.]]> Sun, 11 May 2008 18:21:12 +0000 and ideas that were proposed here and revolv around dektop managers.]]> Sun, 11 May 2008 18:50:24 +0000 Faster, better, object orientated, & many more things.]]> Sun, 11 May 2008 18:58:59 +0000
No one here needs to agree with KDE for the default desktop. Neither do they need to agree with Gnome or Xfce. Desktops are a matter of personal preference. If you like to tinker, use KDE; If you just want to get stuff done, use Gnome; If you have low-end hardware, use Xfce. The user should be able to make their own choices, or, if they are new to Linux and are unfamiliar with a choice of GUIs, then they need to be asked questions about what they need their computer to do for them. I have used all three, and based on what I need to with my computer, I use Gnome. I'm not much of a tinkerer and I do not have a low-end computer, so it works for my needs. I find troubleshooting problems is generally easier in KDE, but for just doing what I need to do everyday, Gnome works for me.]]> Sun, 11 May 2008 19:15:52 +0000
Back on the topic at hand, I think evolution is better than revolution. I do however think we have got to keep up, so there needs to be radical evolution.

Ie. We dont need to introduce a bazillion new cutting edge technologies like KDE4 did, but we do need to introduce at least one cutting edge technology at a time. At the moment evolution means just polishing and taking small steps, this is going to leave gnome behind KDE.]]> Sun, 11 May 2008 19:57:30 +0000 Sun, 11 May 2008 21:57:01 +0000
I wasn't trying to say that xfce is only for people with low-end computers. I was just trying point out why I would run it. There are several reasons that anyone would need analyze for their own preferences. I was just pointing that you can't push your choices or even your reasons to those other users.

On the topic at hand, gnome developers as of now have very little to no plans for Gnome 3.0. I saw this mentioned on their website somewhere. If I can relocate where on their site it was mentioned, I will post it. Unless Gnome devs have plans for 3.0, I don't think it's a good idea for Ubuntu devs to take an initiative quite just because the uniqueness of each-others design ideals and their respect genres of software.]]> Mon, 12 May 2008 02:05:59 +0000
Also, in terms of developmement, QT also has official GUI design tools which I find a hell of a lot better to deal with then glade, and apparently even Adobe uses QT for Photoshop elements.

So, in terms of the base, KDE4 really has the advantage.

So in that case, I vote +0 for this. Even in terms of improvements and capabilities in the desktop, KDE4 appears it will have the upper hand for a while.
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It is not hard to build a clean & fast application if you limit the features like Xfce does. ]]> Mon, 12 May 2008 03:10:23 +0000
Gnome is going to be a legacy DE before long, with it being written in C, running significantly slower than XFCE, but no improvements over it. And if there are any GNOME programs you need that aren't available elsewhere (there aren't) then you can still run them and the GNOME libs just load in the background.

But to each his own, but I think GNOME already gets too much time spent by the Ubuntu developers when compared to xfce and KDE.

@ Tuxoid:

You stated that if you want to tinker get KDE, get stuff done get GNOME, and run faster get XFCE. Really, it should be stated like: to get stuff done run KDE, to run a simpleton interface, run XFCE. You can tinker in all of them and the "get stuff done" isn't really any truer of GNOME than it is of the other two.


]]> Mon, 12 May 2008 04:39:45 +0000 I was only speaking of my experience, not saying that I was right or wrong. I personally feel more productive in Gnome, others may not. It boils down to personal preferences (not someone else's preferences). I can't tell someone what to run. The best thing I can suggest to anyone wanting to enter the world of Ubuntu Linux, download xubuntu, kubuntu, and ubuntu. spend some time with them, see which one you like.]]> Mon, 12 May 2008 05:04:23 +0000 http://developer.imendio.com/sites/developer.imendio.com/files/gtk-hackfest-berlin2008.pdf
http://inverted-tree.livejournal.com/58280.html
http://micke.hallendal.net/blog/gtk-30-enabling-incrementalism/
http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious
I think they're planning Gnome3]]> Mon, 12 May 2008 08:01:51 +0000 Mon, 12 May 2008 08:10:59 +0000
But that is my personal opinion, everyone has a right to make their own]]> Mon, 12 May 2008 09:45:06 +0000 Thanks.

To your idea: No-one yet cited the Gnome developers' take on 3.0: Right now, there's not going to be one. And I agree: There is no reason besides a cool new number. If you suggest some new and very different (or even revolutionary) things you'd love to see in Gnome, that'd be something different. But a major release just for the sake of it is... not a good idea.
Now, as I said, if there were things to implement, I'd probably be for it, but just to see a 3.0, no way. KDE did some very new things with 4.0 (whether you like it or not), and that's cool. But as long as Gnome doesn't something new with their stuff, we don't need a 3.0.]]> Mon, 12 May 2008 10:48:27 +0000 Mon, 12 May 2008 22:53:21 +0000
Sincerely, if we need to recreate a whole new platform because the old one is old, deprecated and etc, why not just start using the better ones we have today?
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Doesn't Kubuntu already exist?]]> Thu, 15 May 2008 17:57:40 +0000 With an API that has more features and that is stable and fast the developers can create much better and faster (cross-platform) applications.
@PeterKraus:
I hope Gnome will remove all .NET/Mono components from theit DE. It's a realy bad thing, not stable, an Microsoft idea (I know, that doesn't makes it bad) and if you want a cross-platform application, you can use Java, Python or the GTK+/Qt API.]]> Fri, 16 May 2008 21:13:26 +0000
"Slow and steady" is not winning the race anytime soon.]]> Sun, 18 May 2008 05:56:09 +0000 Fri, 23 May 2008 15:15:13 +0000 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:59:06 +0000
With GTK3 the developpers of Gnome must work on a newer version of Gnome, a desktop that has the look and feel of Gnome2 but with some new functions and more eye-candy.]]> Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:53:37 +0000 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:14:36 +0000
I really appreciate how GNOME 2 has grown into the very clean and aesthetically pleasing form as we see it now. Less is more.

I have also used KDE 4 for quite sometime and to honest, while some aspects of KDE 4 are very impressive, the overall feel and finishing is still sub-par, IMHO. The panel is too big, fonts are wrong, etc. What I have to agree, is that what really shines is from the inside of KDE 4, and better visuals can be developed over time.]]> Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:34:52 +0000 Both of the things you mention are easily customizable and would benefit from having a distro to set sane, more human defaults for them. Giving KDE4 the Ubuntu touch may be just what KDE4 needs. (But please, no orange :P)]]> Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:04:11 +0000 "Kubuntufy" KDE 4.1
But as I understand Kubuntu's colour is blue.
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Anyway I'm always for good competition against KDE, so I did vote this up.
Even though GNOME developers should really think in which way GNOME should go. Because clear and simple is not enough any more I think.]]> Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:57:14 +0000
could be interesting or maybe i'm crazy]]> Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:02:55 +0000 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:45:13 +0000 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:10:00 +0000
BTW, check Gnome 3 now (May 2009). It rocks. ]]> Sun, 24 May 2009 23:09:37 +0000
And even though Gnome 3 might "rock" compared to Gnome 2.2, technically QT4 is ages ahead of the gnome libraries still.]]> Mon, 25 May 2009 01:23:10 +0000