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    <title><![CDATA[Servers are overwhelmed during each release]]></title>
    <link>http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/7390/</link>
    <description><![CDATA[When Hardy Heron was released, the Ubuntu servers became overloaded with thousands of people trying to download it. Downloading rates of repositories and updates were so slow that some people had to leave the computer on at night only to find connection errors the next morning.<br />
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<b>[1726 votes] Solution #1: Auto-generated solution of idea #7390</b>
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<b>[186 votes] Solution #2: Use BitTorrent</b>
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<b>[63 votes] Solution #3: Propose to use a different "source"</b>
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<b>[46 votes] Solution #4: similar to #1 but extendet</b>
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<b>[43 votes] Solution #5: Use MetaLink</b>
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<b>[24 votes] Solution #6: aptitude install debtorrent apt-transport-debtorrent</b>
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<b>[13 votes] Solution #7: Distribute Packages via RRD Pools.</b>
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<b>[-23 votes] Solution #8: Use Ubuntu One as mirror</b>
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<b>[-9 votes] Solution #9: Use a CDN (Content Delivery Network)</b>
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<b>[12 votes] Solution #10: Have Graphical Option for Upgrading Via ISO</b>
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<b>[18 votes] Solution #11: Integrate bittorrent protocol support into the updater</b>
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<b>[2 votes] Solution #12: Software repositories: auto-select best mirror at the first run of Synaptic</b>
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<b>[10 votes] Solution #13: More Canonical Servers</b>
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    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from brunovecchi</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Agreed. This is stressed enough in the forums, but not in the official page. +1]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from loveandequalityforall</title>
  <description><![CDATA[this is so true!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from glotz</title>
  <description><![CDATA[A very Ubuntu idea!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from wolfwitch</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I have to agree. I've always wondered why Ubuntu doesn't have a BT tracker. Downloading ISO's the "old fashioned" way is so inefficient. There is a lot of hype surrounding Hardy's release- and I suspect downloading it will be painful at best. I'm glad I already have the RC installed and will just need to deal with slow update times when the final packages hit the repositories.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Wikzo</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Agree!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Mystakill</title>
  <description><![CDATA[My download manager splits the load amongst multiple mirror servers, so it's sort of like BitTorrent, without the delays.  Even if I can theoretically download more pieces with BitTorrent, it's nowhere near as fast as splitting an ISO download between multiple FTP and HTTP servers.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from FranciscoPadillaGarcia</title>
  <description><![CDATA[With BitTorrent, you take, but you also give. That goes more with the "humanity towards others" philosophy.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from unimatrix</title>
  <description><![CDATA[This idea is a must!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from SchwarzeKrause</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Great! You could also implement dist-upgrade through BitTorrent, since there are already some implementations for apt on torrents]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Auzy</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Mystakill.. What your download manager wont do, is validate every piece of the download. <br /><br />Bittorrent will validate per block so you dont end up with a 700mb corrupt iso with dodgy data in it. <br /><br />So in that sense at least, bittorrent reduces redownloaded data.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from FranciscoPadillaGarcia</title>
  <description><![CDATA[That's another advantage: security and reliability. <br /><br />The BitTorrent protocol uses hash functions to ensure file integrity; thus, files cannot be corrupted (modified). Not to mention that files can be resumed if the connection is broken.<br /><br />Truly, BitTorrent is the next generation technology in file distribution.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from loki</title>
  <description><![CDATA[agreed... ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from spocky</title>
  <description><![CDATA[it is out!<br />here is the link to the - i guess - mostly used one: <br /><br />http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from fordplay</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Now that 8.04 is released.<br />Why wasn't the torrent link available on the main download page! I had to hunt for it!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from myle</title>
  <description><![CDATA[The new version. You can download it using torrents:<br /><br />http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/<br /><br />http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/<br />http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/<br /><br />]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Folk_Theory</title>
  <description><![CDATA[this should be the first option offered not hidden away!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from larryfroot</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Absolutely agree!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 23:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from FranciscoPadillaGarcia</title>
  <description><![CDATA[This clearly shows that Canonical decision-makers DO NOT WANT to implement this idea. The worst thing is that they aren't giving an explanation. I hope good ideas in this site don't come to die in a puzzle of bureaucracy :(<br /><br />The reason Ubuntu is the most popular Linux distribution is because developers listen to people. Let's keep that humanity towards others alive.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from toesterdahl</title>
  <description><![CDATA[From what I can see most users will prefer to do their upgrades using the upgrade functionality of the package manager. I do not see mainstream users downloading an iso to manually add it to the sources list. Besides that - wouldn't many large packages be outdated rather quickly because of security updates so the bandwith consumption on the mirrors wouldn't be reduced much anyway? I also do not see most users doing a new install every six month to upgrade their system. I did it now for the Hoary release after doing sequential upgrades of Ubuntu since 5.04. I give it that it worked without data loss, but it still took me some hours afterwards to add the packages that I needed for DVD support and other things that I am used to. Ubuntu should take care to stay a distribution that mainstream users can use without too much hassle. <br /><br />For first time users I agree - they can download their image using bittorrent pretty much as easily as they can download it using HTTP. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 08:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from FranciscoPadillaGarcia</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I tried to use the upgrade functionality of the package manager and that resulted in my system being corrupted. I had to download an .iso and install as a first time user.<br /><br />Anyway, the point here is that the webmasters of Ubuntu website aren't promoting the torrent files or making the accessible and visible.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from mlapaglia</title>
  <description><![CDATA[The best part of torrents is, when you have a ton of seeds, you can download at *your* capped speed, not the server. My school caps each computer at 1500 kb/s, but there are only a few mirrors that can match it. <br /><br />Woudln't using torrents also relieve the stress on the servers during the release of the next version (every 6 months?) Using torrents would theoretically mean one full copy would have to be uploaded, and through the torrent style, it gets progressively faster the larger the swarm is.<br /><br />Basically, using torrents during a major release would actually increase your download speed, because everyone else would be doing the same.<br /><br />+1]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Sand Lee</title>
  <description><![CDATA[We should take a couple hints from openSUSE's download page, http://software.opensuse.org/ . We could give a radio for each option, Standard and BitTorrent (default); if the user selects standard then the location dialog appears - if not a single BitTorrent link is provided.<br /><br />I'd be great to get a response on this. I'm wondering whether or not I should post this as a new idea - extending it to almost mimicking the way openSUSE's page works...]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from FranciscoPadillaGarcia</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reference. I hope this gets done soon.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from AleRi8</title>
  <description><![CDATA[-1 bcoz some uk isp's block torrent ports]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Auzy</title>
  <description><![CDATA[There are ways around it AleRi8. Top level encryption can. And it can always detect if bittorrent is being blocked, and return to http]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Endolith</title>
  <description><![CDATA[A little link at the bottom of the download page is not really good enough in my opinion...]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from gaspard.leon</title>
  <description><![CDATA[get over "making it dumb and simple"<br /><br />of the 0.1% of computer users that do download ubuntu, i think at least some of them will be smart enough to not click the torrent link if they don't want to use torrent.<br /><br />lol]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from neomenlo</title>
  <description><![CDATA[This has been fixed!<br /><br />In the very new (as of right now, 1 hour old) version of GetUbuntu, there  are now links on the front page for:<br /><br />    *  Text based “alternate installer” installation disk<br />    * Bit Torrent<br />    * The Windows based “Wubi” installer<br />    * DVD images containing additional languages<br />]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Endolith</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Look at <a href="http://download.openoffice.org/">OpenOffice's download page</a> for another example:<br /><br /><i>Download OpenOffice.org<br /><br />Click to start downloading OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 for Windows (US English)<br /><br />Get more platforms and languages, order CD-ROM or P2P downloads</i><br /><br />"P2P downloads" goes to their BitTorrent page.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from matsonfamily</title>
  <description><![CDATA[   I agree that the torrents should be more visible, more used, and more preferred, but I may have a different motive: I think that torrent is currently viewed [incorrectly] by much of the corporate world, entertainment industry, and political world as a tool of use only to crackers, pirates, and thieves.  I would like to see more valid/legal uses of P2P protocols (torrent being my personal favourite) implemented.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from yaroman86</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Blech. Torrents. No thanks. I prefer something that isn't dependent on OTHER people for speed. Give me a direct download and I'll be happy.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from borsook</title>
  <description><![CDATA[@yaroman86 - actually with big releases is the other way around. With a traditional ftp solution, the more people downloading the file the slower the speed you get. With bit torrent the more people the faster the download. Plus with Ubuntu getting more and more popular relying on the direct download solution will force Canonical to spend more and more money on servers.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Endolith</title>
  <description><![CDATA[@yaroman86:<br /><br />Have you ever actually used a torrent?  It's much faster than a direct download.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from ACanuck</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Using Mininova Content Distribution (http://www.mininova.org/apply) could simplify it. They even seed the torrents for you.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from cheesehead</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Marking 'Implemented' - Solutions #2 and #6 have been available since early 2009.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 04:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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