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Hello.
I'd like to have Synaptic (the packet manager) in QT for KDE.
I know much people that prefer to use Synaptic, instead of Adept, on Kubuntu.
I am one of them. Personally, I find Adept very confusing (...and ugly).
An example:
if an user has Kubuntu and another user has Ubuntu, it's not so easy to guide him (for example: removing the cache, changing the repos, etc...) because Synaptic and Adept are very different. So if we'll have only a packet manager it will be also more simple to guide a new user to use it.
We can have a Synaptic-qt or synaptic-kde.
Thanks for attention.
Bye
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glibik
wrote on the 16 Apr 08 at 10:31
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# apt-get install synaptic
What about simply using apt-get and/or dpkg?
After all synaptic is simply a GUI front end for apt-get.
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Square87
wrote on the 16 Apr 08 at 10:53
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I mean to write Synaptic also in QT, for kde users. So we can have only a packet manger integrated both in GTK and QT.
In the same way of gdebi. There is:
gdebi -> GTK
gdebi-kde -> QT
and gdebi as back-end
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Square87
wrote on the 16 Apr 08 at 10:54
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typo...
and gdebi-core as back-end
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Auzy
wrote on the 16 Apr 08 at 13:29
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I agree with it. Adept has way too many issues to be set as a default manager anyway
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vexorian
wrote on the 16 Apr 08 at 13:55
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You can use QT as rendering engine for GTK.
So, have GTK installed in kubuntu, make it use QT by default, and include synaptic.
While, at the same time, somebody tries porting it to KDE.
It would be great, the first thing I did after installing Kubuntu was sudo apt-get install synaptic.
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vexorian
wrote on the 16 Apr 08 at 13:57
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"After all synaptic is simply a GUI front end for apt-get. "
You sir are crazy.
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Hawke
wrote on the 16 Apr 08 at 21:47
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He's not crazy if he's right.
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Vadim P.
wrote on the 17 Apr 08 at 05:21
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I'm not sure if the official KDE people will approve, heh. You like kde, go use their systems... or quit worrying over the tookits and use gtk synaptic in it.
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Cypher
wrote on the 17 Apr 08 at 09:25
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I'm not sure if the official KDE people will approve, heh. You like kde, go use their systems... or quit worrying over the tookits and use gtk synaptic in it.
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Why would it be a problem for official KDE people ? And no, we will not stop worrying about the disk and memory space wasted for loading a GTK+ app and all the needed GTK+ libs. Canonical says it supports GNOME and KDE equally ? Prove it then.
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nvivo
wrote on the 3 May 08 at 15:25
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I agree with Square87.
Synaptic and other applications should be could be available to Kubuntu by default, just as many QT applications could be available by default to Ubuntu.
I think it is ridiculous this thing about creating an entire new application not because the original lacks features, but because the library that draws stuff to the screen is different.
As a developer, I understand perfectly the difference between the toolkits and I know that you can run GTK+ apps on KDE and you can apply QT themes to them. That is not the point.
The point is that some apps like Synaptic are great, and I use it on my Kubuntu because sincerely, adept sucks. It is slow, doesn't show the information by source or category, but uses that strange tags that you should drag...and is ugly. I hate it. So, why not use a better app by default if its better?
Some people just don't realize that OpenOffice.org, Firefox and Thunderbird run on top of GTK+, and at least OOo is available by default on Kubuntu because it is better than KOffice by now.
There are other killer apps like Gimp and GParted that are much better than the QT equivalents, and also Amarok and K3B that are much better than the GTK+ equivalents...
So, I'm not saying to stop developing apps to do the same thing. Alternatives are good, and you should be able to instal them if you like it, but a distribution should choose them because they are the best in their area, not because their toolkit is the same of the base desktop system.
Invest some time improving the gtk->qt/qt->gtk theme engines and app integration and it would be a much better user experience for everyone.
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Cypher
wrote on the 13 May 08 at 10:29
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OpenOffice uses its own rendering engine, it's neither GTK+ nor Qt.
And I do not agree, I much prefer Krita to GIMP.
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I agree that Adept is very confusing.
But I think that this already exists it's called Kynaptic and all other major KDE releases use it (I think, I'm not sure).
+1
from me, Make Adept better or change it in Kynaptic
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TWO
wrote on the 25 May 08 at 06:55
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+1
Synaptic is SUPERIOR to Adept!
Adept is more flexible for searching but EVERYTHING else about Synaptic is brilliant.
I've just switched back from Kubuntu and I reckon that having Synaptic as the package manager on Kubuntu would have made it that bit harder for me to change.
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Götz
wrote on the 23 Jul 08 at 20:33
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+1 This should be a priority.
Synaptic is much simpler an easy to understand and use, y has much more functions than Adept.
I have also read that Adept is going to be ported to Qt4,but it will still be inferior in functionality and easy of use compared to Synaptic.
Ubuntu and Kubuntu should work in splitting Synaptic into a back-end and (like gdebi-core) and make to different front-ends, one for Qt4/KDE4 and one for GTK+.
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Vadim P.
wrote on the 23 Jul 08 at 23:08
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@Cypher: I haven't heard of such a claim. Kubuntu is a community-supported edition of Ubuntu, with Canonical caving into the pressure of very verbal KDE fans.
Most people have both Gtk and Kde installed anyway (popcon shows), which makes me thing not everybody is so anal about this ("on no! I cannot have gtk on my system!!!")
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