Idea
#6500: ODF printer, such as PDF printer.
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Written by bbauto the 6 Apr 08 at 13:34.
Category: Others.
Related to:
Nothing/Others.
Status: New
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Description
I can't find an ODF printer!? I have used PDF printer for the last 10 years, and find it very handy.
If you want people to embrace ODF, i think this would be the first step to fix.
(OS independent of course!)
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giner wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 13:46
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I think it's difficult to do
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Lex wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 14:13
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I think that PDF printer is enough. Upcomming OpenOffice 3 is promising possibility to edit PDFs.
It is still not clear what will be winning document format (current ODF, ODF 1.2, OOXML). I am personally prefers ODF 1.2, but it still needs a lot of work and time.
SO in mean time it is making sense to use just PDFs.
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webhamster wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 14:19
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-1. It is nearly impossible to implement.
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neomenlo wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 14:19
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I thought they already decided that ooxml was out. I'm not exactly paying close attention to it though.
Really, any of those sound great. It's a little more difficult to edit a pdf. So "printing" into a format that is editable and printable sounds like a great improvement.
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Auzy wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 14:22
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Theres a logical reason for PDF support... Which will explain why you will get +0 from me (even though I think its a great idea).
PDF files are essentially a compressed form of postscript. Now, most printers, actually recieve their data as postscript data, so making PDF's is really just a matter of compressing the normal output.
You'd likely need a postscript to ODF converter, so things will probably get dodgy very quickly ...
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Auzy wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 14:23
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Actually, +1, its not my job to worry about the difficulty.. It may be easy
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bbauto wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 15:12
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Who said it would be easy!? =o)
And step one doesn't need to be editable, PDF printer isn't editable from all applications!
I imagine you must separate graphics from text in separate layers, and bundle them together somehow. Using an OCR overlay might do the trick(the ugly way)??
I'm all to familiar to Postscript, cause one of my CAD programs run under DOS (no printer drivers anymore) so i plot to Postscript in a spoolerdir, and then i use a nautilus-script scanps2pdf, to bundle them into One.PDF One big minus is that i can't search those doc's =o!
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mmcmonster wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 15:34
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ODF printers don't exist because they don't make sense.
ODF is not one format. There is ODT for word processors, ODS for spreadsheets, etc.
If an application can create the data structure to output to an ODF file format, they will "save" the file, not "print" the file.
If an application cannot create the data structure (ie:firefox, gimp, etc), which ODF format would even make sense?
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Eldmannen wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 15:49
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Maybe a DVI printer?
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Eldmannen wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 15:52
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Maybe have PostScript printer?
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bbauto wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 16:17
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Yes mmcmonster, of course you will print into a file, and of course it's difficult. But one have to start someware!?
PDF is quit allright but not open source as far as i know!?
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bbauto wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 16:34
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What a splendid ide'a eldmannen, i will look into your submitted ideas to see if i find more of thoose... -LOL-
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bbauto wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 17:10
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The scoop is! Lets say i want to make some management instructions, my different sources could be: screenshoots, doc, xls, odt, pdf, ps, dxf... i want to make One document that is searchable and contains an index table. I don't mind if the file is closed for editing, as long as it's searchable.This file i want to share to anyone in the same way as a PDF. They should be able to view and print it!
I havn't read the specification about ODF, so i'm not sure if this is applicable. Maybe there should be a FakeDocumentFormat (FDF). =o))
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steve196 wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 17:14
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odf is not the right format for virtual printers.
What you want is a something -> odf converter.
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Remco wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 17:19
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Why not just a PDF? It's an open specification, a free one at that. More people also have PDF-viewers than ODF-viewers.
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bbauto wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 18:00
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Steve196 you might be right there. =)
Remco i changed my mind, an ODF converter is simply enough =o))
As long as Adobe dosn't obstruct the Open source integration, i don't mind PDF at all. And i look forward to the PDFedit's progress.
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stronger wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 18:49
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What a ridiculous idea is this. Printing to ODF is as same absurd as printing to MP3. It's just not applicable, is it. What stops you from saving file in OpenDocument format if you want ODF?
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bbauto wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 19:13
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Well i don't think many people will say that PDF writer is ridiculous. But as steve196 said "converter" would be a better description. And use it as a "virtual printer" is merly a way to implement it for all kind of programs.
I would gladly edit the Description in favor of "converter" instead of "printer" if i knew how? -sorry- =o)
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bengt_elautomation wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 19:23
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As i see it, "PDF writer" should also be named "PDF converter" i think most people get the point anyway.
You will find this "PDF converter" at System-->Printers-->Local printers...
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zooounds wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 20:05
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ODF and PDF is not the same kind of format. -1
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Auzy wrote on the 7 Apr 08 at 03:16
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Actually, PDF isn't really much of a conversion.. Its more of a compressor (PDF is more just kinda a compressed version of Postscript). ODF on the otherhand, needs a converter, so with PDF you can guarentee print like results, but ODF, expect random results
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holizz wrote on the 7 Apr 08 at 07:24
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-1 Impossible to implement well, and a generally bad idea.
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