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Written by cmayoros the 29 Feb 08 at 02:34.
Category: Internet & Networking.
Related to:
Nothing/Others.
Status: Won't implement
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Description
While both Evolution and Thunderbird are great applications, Thunderbird should become the default email client available on Ubuntu.
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Developer comments
There are currently no plans to move away from Evolution at this time.
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mikemaccana wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:47
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Why? Evolution has more features, better desktop integration, groupware support, and is a great example of a app unique to Linux.
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mirsal wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:59
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Evolution is part of gnome and really well integrated through the Evolution Data Server.
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korin43 wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 05:04
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Thunderbird is smaller, faster and easier to use. Evolution is a huge convoluted mess.
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slight wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:06
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Evolution is buggy and unstable and has been for years. It's improved somewhat lately but it's still got a long way to go. Every year or two I try moving to it again to get the advantages of integration with other Gnome apps, but soon find it simply doesn't work well enough to bother with and I switch back to Thunderbird.
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bigdufstuff wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:33
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"Evolution is buggy and unstable and has been for years."
If evolution crashes for you please report a bug in the appropriate place with a backtrace. That is how crashes get fixed. Specific criticism of evolution is a welcome bug as well.
We should expect full integration, stability, and feature complete. Evolution is close to this while Thunderbird will never be fully integrated. It was designed using a different set of libraries that don't mesh well.
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MarkL wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:33
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Evolution seems to be the equivalent of Outlook, whereas Thunderbird is the equivalent of Outlook Express. As Ubuntu is more of a home desktop OS Thunderbird should be the default email application. Business/advanced users can switch to Evolution if they need to.
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jpriviere wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:54
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if you don't have an exchange-like server at home, evolution is not a good choice compared to thunderbird. I fully agree with MarkL. Leave it to corporate. OTOH, it could be good to have the Lotus notes client directly available for ubuntu (on request).
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nyvalbanat wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 15:16
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Thunderbird works well on both windows and linux. The advantage of that is that people can gradually migrate their work desktop, one app at a time, (like I did) by using multiplatform applications. You can't just suddenly switch a full-blown desktop from windows to linux while also being productive at work.
Also, I have to say the t-bird email editor is much prettier ootb (I suppose there are styles you can download for evolution, but why not have a decent default one).
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florus wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 16:00
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Most new Ubuntu users are migrating from Windows. Many will already use Thunderbird and will prefer to keep using it.
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brettalton wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 17:01
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I use Thunderbird and I still don't see why. Evolution's integration with GNOME is superb.
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bradbrownjr wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 19:00
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With OpenOffice 3 eventually providing an e-mail client, let's wait and see what they offer, since OpenOffice is installed by default anyway.
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guepe wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 19:18
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Evolution integrates better in gnome (it IS part of GNome), you can import/export mailboxes from/to thunderbird... it has more features (yes it is slower also). I think evolution should be the default, and I really think that evolution is as easy to use as thunderbird.
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rawsausage wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 23:30
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Afaik OpenOffice 3 will integrate hacked version of thunderbird?
I'd rather take Mozilla Prism+Gmail.
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 saivann (Moderator) wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 00:56
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I install computers for a lot of personnal/family customers and most of them prefer Thunderbird which is more appropriate for Desktop. Evolution is probably more appropriate for professionals, however, it has many little problems that would affect the user experience of my customer so I think that Thunderbird is really a better choice, also because it is a part of Mozilla quality softwares.
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ict4ngo wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 11:15
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Thunderbird is a nice application but it does not integrate very well with gnome especially network folder
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nod wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 16:33
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integration + calendar. leave evolution.
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stevec wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 07:00
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Evolution is a pain in my ass. I'm sure it's a nice app if you need all those features, however I was under the impression Gnome's design philosophy was supposed to be minimalistic simplicity. I'm not really sure what they were thinking with Evolution.
It's slow, it crashes all the time, and to top it off at last test it doesn't work with the Exchange 2007 server my stupid e-mail account is stuck on at work. Even worse, trying to use the more limited imap protocol to access the Exchange 2007 server is broken.
I understand that it's supposed to be an alternative for Outlook, and yes Linux needs an Outlook alternative. It does *not* need to be installed and set as the default freaking e-mail client, especially when I don't use the Calendar, Notes, To Do, Whiz-Bang functions (which wouldn't work with the Exchange 2007 server even if I did use them). I just want to read my freaking e-mail.
I hate to credit Microsoft as much as any other Linux geek, but seriously Evolution needs some serious work to be as polished as Outlook, and until then it's more aggravating than useful.
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gouki wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 19:22
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Perfect example of how NOT to submit an idea. If you're going to suggest something, add the reasons why you think it should be that way.
As for MHO, Evolution should be the default mail client, for all the reasons given above.
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adityakavoor wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 03:38
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Please thunderbird. No evolution
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Fad wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 07:33
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Good idea.
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starkmjolk wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 20:34
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Evolution works great as the default PIM, Thunderbird is good too but should not be the default.
The list of reasons is long and many good points have already been said above, keep Evolution.
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BenP1990 wrote on the 24 Mar 08 at 02:54
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I think either fix the problems (speed, stability, user-interface, etc.) with Evolution or integrate Thunderbird (maybe via extensions) with the other Gnome apps.
I personally like Thunderbird for its stability and speed. However, I also like how Evolution is integrated with the other apps. I think the best thing would be to integrate Thunderbird with Gnome like Evolution is.
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JhansonJr wrote on the 26 Mar 08 at 08:46
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Thunderbird isn't free. (as in freedom)
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DylanMcCall wrote on the 31 Mar 08 at 05:24
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The benefits of Evolution's integration are really provided by Evolution Data Server, which a few other programs use and many GNOME programs communicate with. Most notably, the Pimlico suite is an excellent alternative to the Calendar, Contacts and Tasks front ends in the Evolution shell, still talking to EDS.
Thunderbird does not cut it due to the reasons outlined above and because its user interface is entirely out of place as a default application here on a GNOME desktop. Face it, the thing was designed for the Windows desktop, which this is not.
However, the Evolution shell of today is also horribly out of place since it is pointed towards soulless businesses... which is kind of out of scope. At the present time, there are no 'home user type' front ends for mail, and Pimlico is of course designed for PDAs. Thankfully, EDS makes this stuff really easy and there is tons of source code to work from.
In short, I think it would be very beneficial to produce a new application, since there is definitely a gap here in need of filling: We lack a nice email program.
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newbie2 wrote on the 1 Apr 08 at 09:16
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thunderbird is more common and known to the general public...therefor i vote for thunderbird as default emailclient
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DylanMcCall wrote on the 5 Apr 08 at 01:56
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Windows is more common and known to the general public, so therefore I vote we move to using its kernel?
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lifeless85 wrote on the 7 Apr 08 at 12:51
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professionist usually get advantages from the calendar wich also work like an job scheduler. this is the main reason 'couse thunderbird is not an option .. for now
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tram wrote on the 11 Apr 08 at 18:56
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Even Shuttleworth himself admits to being a huge T-Bird user. Why not make it the default?
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thuban wrote on the 17 Apr 08 at 07:58
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thunderbird allows to have hotmail adress, on the contrary to evolution. you just need webmail andhotmail extension. and many people who comes from a windows system have hotmail adresses!
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jdennis_99 wrote on the 2 May 08 at 14:54
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Speaking as a Windows user who has recently started using Ubuntu, Thunderbird is a great help:
- It is very similar in layout to Outlook & Outlook Express, which helps when migrating from Windows
- It is runs smoothly and efficiently, which is (I feel) one of the major advantages of Linux over Windows
- It complements well with Firefox, which is already established as Ubuntu's default web browser
- Although it doesn't have a calendar as default, you can easily extend it to include Sunbird
- Mozilla plan to integrate Sunbird into Thunderbird permanently in the upcoming Thunderbird 3
- Mozilla's influence (certainly amongst Windows users looking for something better) could help increase Ubuntu market share
- It benefits from a lot of the advantages of Firefox - extensibility, reliability, security...
If Ubuntu wants to break into the Windows user market seriously, then the way to do it is by using apps like Thunderbird - speaking from experience, it certainly made it less scary when I 'took the plunge'. The biggest thing that puts people off Linux is that it is unknown. If it is made more familiar to them, more people are likely to try it and reap the benefits.
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mwtoews wrote on the 26 May 08 at 03:10
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Thunderbird is cross-platform, while Evolution is not. I much prefer cross-platform software, as I myself am a cross-platform user.
To me the user, Evolution is equivalent to Outlook Express for the Windows-only, in that it is intended for only one type of OS.
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Meryl wrote on the 29 May 08 at 04:13
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We need both Evolution and Thunderbird in the package, if one is dropped then a simple migration app should be provided during upgrade.
Personally I really need and use the calendar and ical functionality that's integrated with Evolution mail. But that being said I wouldn't wish Evolution's low usability onto a n00b.... it'd scare/scar them.
Mail clients are vital for those of us who need local storage and do not want to be the victim of targeted marketing.
Bugs proliferate in both Tbird and Evolution, naturally Evolution has more bugs because it offers so much more.
But these bugs really do need to be addressed faster than what they are now...
So how can ALL distros that utilise a preferred mail client lend their support to get these bugs fixed faster?
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mexlinux wrote on the 27 Jun 08 at 23:38
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Since this was closed as not to implement.
A solution:
Install LinuxMint, which is basically Ubuntu with some modifications and even sharing the same repos.
And one of the modifications is that thunderbird is the default email client, and it's even installed with the lighting calendar extension.
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sorin wrote on the 9 Jul 08 at 15:43
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It's a shame to close this and not democratic. At least it should stay open in order to see how many are interested about this.
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bereshit wrote on the 24 Aug 08 at 15:43
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why closed the idea?
i prefer evolution , it's more complete
but everyone have the dirict to say the own
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