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There are currently no plans to move away from Evolution at this time.
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Why? Evolution has more features, better desktop integration, groupware support, and is a great example of a app unique to Linux.
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mirsal
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:59
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Evolution is part of gnome and really well integrated through the Evolution Data Server.
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korin43
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 05:04
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Thunderbird is smaller, faster and easier to use. Evolution is a huge convoluted mess.
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slight
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:06
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Evolution is buggy and unstable and has been for years. It's improved somewhat lately but it's still got a long way to go. Every year or two I try moving to it again to get the advantages of integration with other Gnome apps, but soon find it simply doesn't work well enough to bother with and I switch back to Thunderbird.
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"Evolution is buggy and unstable and has been for years."
If evolution crashes for you please report a bug in the appropriate place with a backtrace. That is how crashes get fixed. Specific criticism of evolution is a welcome bug as well.
We should expect full integration, stability, and feature complete. Evolution is close to this while Thunderbird will never be fully integrated. It was designed using a different set of libraries that don't mesh well.
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MarkL
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:33
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Evolution seems to be the equivalent of Outlook, whereas Thunderbird is the equivalent of Outlook Express. As Ubuntu is more of a home desktop OS Thunderbird should be the default email application. Business/advanced users can switch to Evolution if they need to.
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if you don't have an exchange-like server at home, evolution is not a good choice compared to thunderbird. I fully agree with MarkL. Leave it to corporate. OTOH, it could be good to have the Lotus notes client directly available for ubuntu (on request).
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Thunderbird works well on both windows and linux. The advantage of that is that people can gradually migrate their work desktop, one app at a time, (like I did) by using multiplatform applications. You can't just suddenly switch a full-blown desktop from windows to linux while also being productive at work.
Also, I have to say the t-bird email editor is much prettier ootb (I suppose there are styles you can download for evolution, but why not have a decent default one).
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florus
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 16:00
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Most new Ubuntu users are migrating from Windows. Many will already use Thunderbird and will prefer to keep using it.
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I use Thunderbird and I still don't see why. Evolution's integration with GNOME is superb.
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With OpenOffice 3 eventually providing an e-mail client, let's wait and see what they offer, since OpenOffice is installed by default anyway.
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guepe
wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 19:18
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Evolution integrates better in gnome (it IS part of GNome), you can import/export mailboxes from/to thunderbird... it has more features (yes it is slower also). I think evolution should be the default, and I really think that evolution is as easy to use as thunderbird.
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Afaik OpenOffice 3 will integrate hacked version of thunderbird?
I'd rather take Mozilla Prism+Gmail.
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saivann
(Brainstorm moderator)
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 00:56
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I install computers for a lot of personnal/family customers and most of them prefer Thunderbird which is more appropriate for Desktop. Evolution is probably more appropriate for professionals, however, it has many little problems that would affect the user experience of my customer so I think that Thunderbird is really a better choice, also because it is a part of Mozilla quality softwares.
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ict4ngo
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 11:15
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Thunderbird is a nice application but it does not integrate very well with gnome especially network folder
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nod
wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 16:33
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integration + calendar. leave evolution.
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stevec
wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 07:00
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Evolution is a pain in my ass. I'm sure it's a nice app if you need all those features, however I was under the impression Gnome's design philosophy was supposed to be minimalistic simplicity. I'm not really sure what they were thinking with Evolution.
It's slow, it crashes all the time, and to top it off at last test it doesn't work with the Exchange 2007 server my stupid e-mail account is stuck on at work. Even worse, trying to use the more limited imap protocol to access the Exchange 2007 server is broken.
I understand that it's supposed to be an alternative for Outlook, and yes Linux needs an Outlook alternative. It does *not* need to be installed and set as the default freaking e-mail client, especially when I don't use the Calendar, Notes, To Do, Whiz-Bang functions (which wouldn't work with the Exchange 2007 server even if I did use them). I just want to read my freaking e-mail.
I hate to credit Microsoft as much as any other Linux geek, but seriously Evolution needs some serious work to be as polished as Outlook, and until then it's more aggravating than useful.
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gouki
wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 19:22
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Perfect example of how NOT to submit an idea. If you're going to suggest something, add the reasons why you think it should be that way.
As for MHO, Evolution should be the default mail client, for all the reasons given above.
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Please thunderbird. No evolution
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Fad
wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 07:33
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Good idea.
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Evolution works great as the default PIM, Thunderbird is good too but should not be the default.
The list of reasons is long and many good points have already been said above, keep Evolution.
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BenP1990
wrote on the 24 Mar 08 at 02:54
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I think either fix the problems (speed, stability, user-interface, etc.) with Evolution or integrate Thunderbird (maybe via extensions) with the other Gnome apps.
I personally like Thunderbird for its stability and speed. However, I also like how Evolution is integrated with the other apps. I think the best thing would be to integrate Thunderbird with Gnome like Evolution is.
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Thunderbird isn't free. (as in freedom)
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The benefits of Evolution's integration are really provided by Evolution Data Server, which a few other programs use and many GNOME programs communicate with. Most notably, the Pimlico suite is an excellent alternative to the Calendar, Contacts and Tasks front ends in the Evolution shell, still talking to EDS.
Thunderbird does not cut it due to the reasons outlined above and because its user interface is entirely out of place as a default application here on a GNOME desktop. Face it, the thing was designed for the Windows desktop, which this is not.
However, the Evolution shell of today is also horribly out of place since it is pointed towards soulless businesses... which is kind of out of scope. At the present time, there are no 'home user type' front ends for mail, and Pimlico is of course designed for PDAs. Thankfully, EDS makes this stuff really easy and there is tons of source code to work from.
In short, I think it would be very beneficial to produce a new application, since there is definitely a gap here in need of filling: We lack a nice email program.
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newbie2
wrote on the 1 Apr 08 at 09:16
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thunderbird is more common and known to the general public...therefor i vote for thunderbird as default emailclient
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Windows is more common and known to the general public, so therefore I vote we move to using its kernel?
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professionist usually get advantages from the calendar wich also work like an job scheduler. this is the main reason 'couse thunderbird is not an option .. for now
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tram
wrote on the 11 Apr 08 at 18:56
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Even Shuttleworth himself admits to being a huge T-Bird user. Why not make it the default?
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thuban
wrote on the 17 Apr 08 at 07:58
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thunderbird allows to have hotmail adress, on the contrary to evolution. you just need webmail andhotmail extension. and many people who comes from a windows system have hotmail adresses!
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Speaking as a Windows user who has recently started using Ubuntu, Thunderbird is a great help:
- It is very similar in layout to Outlook & Outlook Express, which helps when migrating from Windows
- It is runs smoothly and efficiently, which is (I feel) one of the major advantages of Linux over Windows
- It complements well with Firefox, which is already established as Ubuntu's default web browser
- Although it doesn't have a calendar as default, you can easily extend it to include Sunbird
- Mozilla plan to integrate Sunbird into Thunderbird permanently in the upcoming Thunderbird 3
- Mozilla's influence (certainly amongst Windows users looking for something better) could help increase Ubuntu market share
- It benefits from a lot of the advantages of Firefox - extensibility, reliability, security...
If Ubuntu wants to break into the Windows user market seriously, then the way to do it is by using apps like Thunderbird - speaking from experience, it certainly made it less scary when I 'took the plunge'. The biggest thing that puts people off Linux is that it is unknown. If it is made more familiar to them, more people are likely to try it and reap the benefits.
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mwtoews
wrote on the 26 May 08 at 03:10
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Thunderbird is cross-platform, while Evolution is not. I much prefer cross-platform software, as I myself am a cross-platform user.
To me the user, Evolution is equivalent to Outlook Express for the Windows-only, in that it is intended for only one type of OS.
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Meryl
wrote on the 29 May 08 at 04:13
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We need both Evolution and Thunderbird in the package, if one is dropped then a simple migration app should be provided during upgrade.
Personally I really need and use the calendar and ical functionality that's integrated with Evolution mail. But that being said I wouldn't wish Evolution's low usability onto a n00b.... it'd scare/scar them.
Mail clients are vital for those of us who need local storage and do not want to be the victim of targeted marketing.
Bugs proliferate in both Tbird and Evolution, naturally Evolution has more bugs because it offers so much more.
But these bugs really do need to be addressed faster than what they are now...
So how can ALL distros that utilise a preferred mail client lend their support to get these bugs fixed faster?
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mexlinux
wrote on the 27 Jun 08 at 23:38
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Since this was closed as not to implement.
A solution:
Install LinuxMint, which is basically Ubuntu with some modifications and even sharing the same repos.
And one of the modifications is that thunderbird is the default email client, and it's even installed with the lighting calendar extension.
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sorin
wrote on the 9 Jul 08 at 15:43
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It's a shame to close this and not democratic. At least it should stay open in order to see how many are interested about this.
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bereshit
wrote on the 24 Aug 08 at 15:43
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why closed the idea?
i prefer evolution , it's more complete
but everyone have the dirict to say the own
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scrondo
wrote on the 10 Sep 08 at 00:43
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I guess that if a _decent_ Windows version of Evolution were depeloped, people wishing to turn to Ubuntu may become to use Evo, and get familiar with it.
(just like it's happening with the Gimp)
I tried to do such a thing, when I was wondering wheter (and how) to switch to Ubuntu...but Windows Evo sucks, you just can't use it. Too bad, cause I quite liked Ubuntu Evo.
Eventually I chose Thunderbird thinking "in case of troubles with Ubuntu, I'll just have to copy-and-paste one folder to NTFS partition to come back to Windows..."
Now I'm keeping Thunderbird thinking "if -for whatever reason- I need to transfer my e-mail data to a Windows machine in the future, it will be possible to do it. Easily."
And we must be realistic, at the present time there may be more many reasons for that. Even if Ubuntu is spreading, in fact, still a few people use it.
I think that part of the strategy for Ubuntu to succeed should consist in 'Trojan Horses' like Firefox, the Gimp...and, why not, Evolution.
It should be possible to transfer Evolution from Windows to Ubuntu (and vice versa) just copying a folder, like it is with Thunderbird and Firefox.
And if possible the software for Windows should be provided in the installation CD.
I apologise for my English, it's not my mother language. I hope I made myself clear.
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My system crashed after uninstalling Evolution. Before that I tried using it instead of Thunderbird as my default e-mail client but it no way offers even a similar experience. This discussion has existed for so long, what is stopping from at least giving an option at installation time to choose between 'Evolution' and 'Thunderbird'? Both the software are anyway in the repository.
Another thing is why Evolution has tied with the OS so tightly that the whole system crashed after uninstalling it? And if that was the case, why did it allow me to uninstall in the first place?
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After having used Thunderbird on Windows both Windows and Ubuntu for a long time, I decided to switch to Evolution when I upgraded to Ubuntu 10.10. I have been using it for the past couple of weeks now, but not without problems.
At first, I really liked it. I have a number of email accounts hosted on Google Apps, and Evolution appeared to integrate well with these. It even has all the necessary tools built-in for synchronising my contacts and calendars. These are great features, and I prefer them to the Thunderbird add-ons that attempt to do something similar.
However, I found Evolution to be very slow when sending and receiving emails via IMAP, or when moving emails to different folders (which translate to Gmail labels).
I try to keep my Inbox empty by moving emails into folders. However, Evolution would frequently display a '1' next to my Inbox to indicate one new message, even though there were no new messages - the message pane would contain the text 'There are no messages in this folder'.
With multiple email accounts in Thunderbird, I am able to collapse the list of email folders, so that only the email account name is visible. When there are new emails in an account, that account name is highlighted. In Evolution, I either have to expand each mail account folder until I find the folder which contains the new email, or use the Gnome panel applet to see which account has new emails. Clicking on the mail account using the panel applet does not switch to that account in the main Gnome window, however.
Evolution appears to insist on keeping a copy of my sent items in the local sent items folder. Gmail takes care of putting all sent mail into the sent items folder (or giving it the Sent label), so a local copy is just a waste of space. Copying sent items can be easily turned off in Thunderbird.
Thunderbird also does a slightly better job of mapping its folder icons to the Gmail folders. For example, [Gmail]/Sent gets the correct sent mail icon, and [Gmail]/Spam gets the correct spam icon.
I got to the stage with Evolution of not trusting it - I would have to keep logging on to the webmail interface to see if there were any new emails that I'd missed. Occasionally there were.
If it were not for these problems, I would be happy to use Evolution, but for now, I've switched back to Thunderbird.
I'll keep using Evolution every now and then, and hope to file some bug reports soon.
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Goddard
wrote on the 23 Dec 10 at 23:46
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Normally operating systems come with the basics so users can decide what they would like to use. Ubuntu on the other hand has recently tried to "improve" its interface by using social networking plugins because ....well they are nice to have, but honestly Evolution has some major issues. I honestly tried using Evolution with my email accounts some of which are old and have many archived files on a Gmail server mind you and it failed to download the file without even reporting an error. I have two Gmail accounts and each of these account have identical setup settings, but yet the older one with many filters, files, and messages stalls on download. Another thing I consider a down side of Evolution is the fact that in order to "setup" mail downloads it takes awhile. You have to enter several different types of information for one account while in Thunderbird for example I entered 3 things. My name I want to use on the account, the email which includes username@domain.com, and the password. It then automatically detects the protocol for incoming and outgoing mail and sets up my account. It is very responsive and sharp.
As far as the first comment goes I am not sure if that person has every had multiple emails and tried sharing notes and dates with others, but Thunderbird makes this very easy.
I am not sure what group ware is exactly so I can't speak on this point, but I do believe the main objective of Evolution is to be a mail client and it is being up staged by Thunderbird obviously in this area.
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