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Rationale
I want regular updates of the lastest versions of the applications should be in the Ubuntu backports repositories.
I know is for the security of the system, but i want for example: new drivers updates, VLC, VirtualBox-OSE, rtorrent, alien, and others applications which long time ago are with last stables versions and in the repositories always are the old versions of them; besides some applications launch its latest version for bugfixing security vulnerabilities and giving more stability of the system
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ethana2
wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 07:43
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Absolutely! I've been very frustrated with this in the past. Just 'cause you want something half stable doesn't mean you need to hard-freeze universe.
...and if canonical could roll out full driver updates every 3 months, it'd be grand.
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Yes.
Thunderbird is old in ubuntu repositories.
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Alan Pope
(Ubuntu developer)
wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 09:26
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This is what backports is for.
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piotrekp
wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 10:13
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+1
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And for things the backports can't cater for, there's the PPA system.
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And for things that aren't in PPA, there is getdeb.net
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lsdark
wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 15:39
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i want, i want, i want..
we want a _stable_ system, not a m$ shit like
you want latest software ? ./configure && make it !
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I agree.
They can put it in 'hardy-proposed' instead of 'hardy-updates'.
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vexorian
wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 19:28
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Just download the .deb file for god's sake.
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nullmind
(Idea reviewer)
wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 19:49
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While the idea is great: who doesn't want more recent up-to-date software?! This isn't a new idea, and the package management system takes care of it very well. The problem is the lack of maintainers (or time they have) to update packages. I think overall if you want the most up to date software the projects should host their own repository, for example like wine does.
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Cubitus
wrote on the 21 Mar 08 at 00:19
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I think the Idea isn't great. That's what the backports are for (like Alan said). Packages have to be passed on and so where is the problem of using an 6 month old version? That is more stable for Ubuntu and if you really need a new version, try out the backports or look on getdeb.net
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DJ_Peng
wrote on the 21 Mar 08 at 01:23
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If there's a newer version of something that isn't available in backports, PPA or GetDeb I'd always build it myself. And if you need quicker updates of something like Firefox/Thunderbird or OpenOffice just get it from the source. That way you always have the latest versions available while everyone else waits for the repos to get updated. That's how I run Firefox 2/3 and Thunderbird. I can run nightly builds that way if I want to (and I do).
But I'm voting -1 because I've seen this asked enough times to know that it's not how Ubuntu works. I understand why, and I simply use things from other sources if I want to be more up to date than Ubuntu is.
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asashnov
wrote on the 21 Mar 08 at 06:41
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This is backports.
So idea is 'Regular updates in backports' like.
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safiel
wrote on the 21 Mar 08 at 20:46
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@ asahnov: I like your idea!!!, im going to edit the description...
Thanks to everyone who wrote your opinions for mi idea. I aldo think in the hardy release must be a system safer, never as windows, but some applications launch its latest version for bugfixing security vulnerabilities and giving stability of the system
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BungaMan
wrote on the 22 Mar 08 at 13:54
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Let an application be fit for release first. Otherwise things could go wrong on your system. At that moment you do not know what the cause is so you go shouting "stupid Ubuntu!". We'd like to avoid that don't we?
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safiel
wrote on the 23 Mar 08 at 04:48
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@BungaMan: Then are you agree with the Firefox 3 Beta in the Ubuntu 8.04 by default or even in the repositories???
Still Hardy are also a beta release and we cant say firefox 3 beta 5 Will be by default in the LTS release in a month...
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Its simple really:
Ubuntu needs to make sure that the latest version of applications are in backports (or repository X etc), if the ubuntu people decide that the particular version of the application is stable enough, then it gets put in the default repository. (It seems that this process is sort of in place)
If someone makes use of software from backports and then blames ubuntu for instablity/security problems then thats just stupid. (Maybe a warning/disclaimer can be shown when the user first opens this repository or updates and installations).
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It sucks to have to download the .deb files separately just because the repositories don't have the latest version of the software you are looking for.
One of the strengths of ubuntu is the fact the you get almost any application from repositories via synaptic and get updates for it via a central point.
This means if you work in a company with many ubuntu users you can save bandwidth by channeling all the downloads through apt-cacher. When people used windoze they had to download software and dump it onto a share so that others could make use of it, instead of downloading it unnecessarily.
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RainCT
(Ubuntu developer)
wrote on the 9 Aug 08 at 21:17
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@braaivleis: Beside -backports, there are also Launchpad's PPA's and other repositories from where you can get newer software.
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6205
wrote on the 13 Sep 08 at 17:47
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IMO Ubuntu has very bad repositories. Look at Packman for openSUSE, now thats something..
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@RainCT: I use Launchpad's PPA's but it is yet another repository I need to add for every new piece of software that I need/want the latest versions for.
I really think there is room to atleast keep the backports up to date with the most recent releases of the software.
The PPA's should really feed backports and backports should feed the trusted repositories once the ubuntu management feels that is it stable and secure enough etc.
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Actually looking at this idea makes me wonder why it was closed?
The idea's description is to have backports updated with the latest releases.
The developer that closed it had said that if one wanted to get the latest software; enable backports!
The problem is that it doesn't always have the latest releases and hence this idea/request was made known.
I don't think the developer read the description of the idea properly before making the comments.
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