http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/478/ I believe they deserve the same support from the project since Gnome and Kde are the most popular desktop manager out there.
It seems quite obvious to me, the project is very much focused on one and only distro, its first baby : ubuntu.
And it shows. Kubuntu web site looks quite poor and unprofessional compared to ubuntu. Most graphic choices like the kdm default theme (even if it's supposed to be a matter of taste) look, again, unprofessional. And finally the whole distro doesn't seem to have the same amount of attention when it comes to details (one example among others: the little thing on ubuntu warning the user about the existence of proprietary drivers for display which does not exist on kubuntu).
I've been told once, like a year ago, by an ubuntu dev that the situation is such because the project doesn't feel like fragmenting its market share.
Whatever is the official position of the project, I don't think you should do things half way.
The Kde project is itself in full evolution with Kde 4. It does deserve full support from ubuntu.

Thank you for reading.


[1225 votes] Solution #1: Auto-generated solution of idea #478


]]> en-us Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:09:40 +0000 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:17:50 +0000 QAPoll module http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/478/ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:20:06 +0000
It's unrealistic to expect the developers to (1) create a version of Ubuntu for every desktop environment, and (2) spend an equal amount of time on all the desktop environments they do cater for.

If you're unhappy with the situation, my advice would be to get involved with developing Kubuntu yourself.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:20:59 +0000
I'm all for adding great features but I think their needs to be more feature parity. If you add a feature to Gnome such as Compiz, then it should be added to KDE as well.

Does anyone have a more detailed list of disparity between Ubuntu and Kubuntu as far as features go?]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:09:48 +0000 I'm not sure about that:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2007-linuxquestions.org-members-choice-awards-79/desktop-environment-of-the-year-610190/
I really can't find a real competitor in Linux world for k3b & Amarok...]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:23:25 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:49:22 +0000 Ubuntu team should pay more attention/resources to KDE/Kubuntu.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:57:47 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:28:45 +0000
If it's a problem of resources, fine, could Ubuntu - as in the project - advertise Kubuntu and try to get more people involved?

On the other hand, if it's because fan boys - from both sides - can't change their one neuron brain, then that's a failure for Ubuntu as a whole.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:33:30 +0000
I don't know about the number of KDE x Gnome users, but I know that most of my friends that use Gnome, use it because Ubuntu had it by default when they got the LiveCD, not by preference.

Although I really hate Gnome simplicity, and use KDE on daily basis, my oppinion is that KDE and Gnome should have the same level of support, and KDE should be more like an option on system setup (like on SUSE setup), instead of a parallel project that don't seem to have the same kind of support.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:03:37 +0000
Up to know nearly everbody of the people I showed what kubuntu can offer you, switched to kubuntu.

For me it's simply the better choice than using Gnome.

Has anybody a statistics to the relation of people using Gnome/KDE with ubuntu?
Would be very interesting.

]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:20:21 +0000 (KDE user.)]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:46:03 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:09:40 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:15:49 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:24:41 +0000
"When the Gnome side of our community, whether they are Canonical or not, come up with an idea such as bullet proof x, printer configuration, Compiz support stuff, and so on, they never come to the Kubuntu people and say, “Hey, we are working on project x for Ubuntu and was wondering if you all thought that something like this would be good for Kubuntu, how about lending a developer to the project so we can work side-by-side.” In the past two years of contributing to this project, I can’t think of one time where this has happened. If it did, I never seen it, and the Kubuntu community is about as transparent as they get in terms of communications. This is something that definitely needs to be worked on."]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:30:59 +0000
Even Fedora is moving towards being desktop agnostic and we all know how entrenched in Gnome those folks are! ]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:54:22 +0000
I also think ubuntu/kubuntu should not be treated as separate distributions. There should be a ubuntu project with a GNOME/KDE/... option but no separated projects.
That works good for other distributions so I think that should also work for Ubuntu.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:26:06 +0000
Let us choose between Gnome and KDE but with the same level of quality !

A new big step for xUbuntu.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:30:36 +0000
I also agree with the comments above that many former users of Kubuntu have been allowed to slip away to other distros that better support the KDE environment. I include myself in that group, but still maintain an interest in Kubuntu and would be willing to return if the same attention to detail was given to it as is Ubuntu.

Funny, the spelling checker within the comment post accepts Ubuntu but not Kubuntu. Need I say more?]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:34:59 +0000
Second.
-KDE is based on superior then GTK toolkit.
-Documentation for developing in QT is much better and it is important for developers.
-C++ is superior then C.
- KDE4, as a whole, runs natively on every platform out there so win/mac-users will indirectly develop Linux by their contributions. ;]
-Ubuntu community may fix usability of KDE (although KDE4 is much better then KDE3 in this one)
-GetHotNewStuff implementation in KDE4 gives huge power to FLOSS users and it will benefit
-With Plasmoids you can even mimic Gnome-panel 1:1 if you really need it ]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:58:44 +0000 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:28:49 +0000
Canonical should start moving towards KDE4 as the default desktop ... its not unheard of MacOSX changed the look completely and so did Win XP over Windows 95.

It can be done and should be.
]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:23:59 +0000 2nd. I believe that Canonical should not only develop KDE/GNOME/XCFE editions of it's distro equally but it should adopt a unified concept more like Ubuntu Ultimate but without the "restricted" packages.
3rd. Better KDE/GNOME/XCFE interaction is a must have.
4th. If Canonical chooses to use an "Ultimate" approach to Ubuntu budling a DVD with Gnome/KDE/xcfe and Wubi,Openoffice,Firefox,Thunderbird,KDE 4 (for windows and macosx) and all these interconected it would really be a charm.]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:41:46 +0000
My 2 bobs worth Cary ]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:18:11 +0000 KDE has different release cycles and would be difficult to synchronize efforts.
I'm comfortable with the idea of KDE to be oficially supported, and it is. Kubuntu is an official derivative, they send it via shipit, etc.
It's just that Canonical prefers Gnome as the main desktop for Ubuntu. It's a choice, and even with its rough edges, Gnome has been working very well along Ubuntu in each release.]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:00:26 +0000 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:06:17 +0000 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:56:17 +0000 featured for gnome users.but gnome focus is on
simplicity rather than eye candy.also kubuntu,
which good but have u read lately that ubuntu
wont support kde before it gets stable enough
to stay stable.also kde is very buggy in nature.i
know its ease of use all applications are rocking
like k3,amarok,kaffine.but i don't know whats
wrong with these kde people,they are going cross
platform and supporting kde4 in winboxes????????
wooo thats crap on Linux face.don't bite hand
that feeds.gnome can beat windows in simplicity,
ease of use etc,but kde doesnt know its ground
and dont know its future too.stop tinkering and
use gnome,its same as gentoo,name one kde-distro that can
beats ubuntu-gnome,opensuse,its shit poor baby too slow
and buggy,and rest are same.well real competitor fr
ubuntu is fedora,in my opinion.]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:11:36 +0000
1) it lets more people use the good software (Amarok etc.)
2) people who use KDE apps at home can use them at work
3) people who have used KDE apps on Windows will be more comfortable when it comes to switching to Linux

It's not "biting the hand that feeds you" or slowing uptake of Linux any more than having Firefox on Windows does.

Anyway, more Kubuntu support would be appreciated. I've teetered on switching to another distro more than once in the past because of breakage (Dolphin) and lack of changes and features coming along. Only thing that stops me is the hassle of reinstalling!]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:40:16 +0000
Better KDE support please!]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:38:12 +0000 "Gnome is the desktop of choice in ubuntu because they have a regular 6 months release cycle for new versions.
KDE has different release cycles and would be difficult to synchronize efforts. "
Not anymore, KDE4.1 and beyond has a fixed 6 month release cycle.
source: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/kde-41-release-team-aims-at-july-2008/

sp this point is invalid now.

@javaiscoolmike, this wish is only about supporting KDE on parity with Gnome. openSUSE can support Gnome on parity with default KDE, Fedora can support KDE on parity with default Gnome ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/KDE4 ). So why can't Canonical? ]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:57:42 +0000 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:48:49 +0000
The default look is getting a bit better but Mint does en better job and kde looks good in Mint. ]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:36:19 +0000
Why: because nobody does KDE with stability and big repos like mepis. I love the development Ubuntu brings to Linux, but hate the way they neglect Kubuntu. As long as a single man distro can be better than a so-called official Ubuntu KDE version, something is seriously wrong.

This is a political issue. Since KDE does not want to comply with the 6 month release cycle, they are treated with contempt by Ubuntu. Marc, get off your high horse and be serious about your Linux philosophy. If it is all about choice, you certainly are not giving KDE users a decent choice to move to Ubuntu.]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:26:35 +0000 2) Canonical has maybe 2 paid developers that work on Gnome
3) A majority of Canonical employees work on things such as the kernel (which Kubuntu, Ubuntu, and Xubuntu all use), Launchpad, security, system administrators.

The reason people see Kubuntu as less than Ubuntu isn't Canonical's fault at all, it is the fact that more people from the community are lending a hand with Ubuntu more so than they are with Kubuntu.

Here is a better idea, instead of telling Canonical to contribute to Kubuntu/KDE more, how come people in here aren't contributing to Kubuntu/KDE more?

There have been communication gaps in the past, but we are past that and are currently working with a few of the Ubuntu/Gnome developers to bring each other closer. Things such as Bulletproof-X, Jockey restricted manager, a new printer configuration utility, and more.

If Canonical does decide to support Ubuntu or appears to support Ubuntu/Gnome more, maybe that is because it is currently their cash cow. If people want to see Kubuntu/KDE in that same light, then it is time to step up and purchase support for Kubuntu/KDE. Right now the vast majority of support offered by Canonical is with their server, and right behind that would be the Ubuntu desktop.

Right now there are maybe 5 of us working full-time, 4 of us which are doing full-time work in our spare time on Kubuntu. We definitely could use more help from the community, more so than from Canonical.

For those interested in helping instead of pointing the finger at Canonical, we have plenty of things that need to get done.
* User support (#kubuntu on IRC, Ubuntu Forums, and the Kubuntu forums)
* Documentation (easy)
* Bug triage (easy, medium, and super developer)
* Software development (Python and C++)]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:04:15 +0000
[ What I find unfortunate is that some companies dig into technologies. Canonical did not communicate well about long-term support and therefore neglected 35 percent of their user base. A user base they routinely neglect, but at KDE we ignore a lot of this. ]

Source : http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1113]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:56:32 +0000
The right link is : http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;885892575;pp;2;fp;2;fpid;4

and to make it complete J. Riddle his answer : http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3256?page=1

( need edit in here ;) )]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:12:09 +0000
My vote for this proposal.
]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:58:33 +0000 (some Linux LiveCD offers parameter desktop=KDE etc., but Ubuntu no)]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:32:04 +0000 I'm just compelled to stick with other distros which supports KDE better (even considering slack for beginners!). Even if Ubuntu is a great, easy to use and well supported distro. They simply couldn't use Gnome (too strict, too rigid, too difficult to navigate).]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:37:49 +0000 They should offer the choice of either KDE or Gnome, or any of the other desktops available, at install in the spirit of true freedom!
If they really are sincere about winning over Windows users then the desktop to do that is KDE. Even a base Kubuntu desktop will look familiar to a Windows user, unlike Gnome.
It was KDE that won me over via SuSe 9.1 and I haven't used Windows since.
The default Kubuntu install is dreadful. You have to install a mass of packages to get anything like a true KDE desktop.
Let's also remember that some of the very best Linux apps are KDE apps, K3b, Amarok, Konqueror, Kontact, Kmail etc. You don't even need OpenOffice 'cause there's Koffice.
I'm so disgusted with the Ubuntu Gnome Fanboys and Canonical's anti KDE attitude that I'm going to move over to Slackware.
]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:02:04 +0000 They want to focus all their effort on ONE version that's easy to use(...).

I don't believe it's a good idea in the long term though. There are a lot of ppl who like KDE better. People should have the choice to use whichever they want.

KDE and Gnome and the 2 biggest desktop environment. Having great support for both is getting more markershare.
I am sure this has a cost, paying ppl to maintain the KDE version better(...) but probably worth it IMO.

Opensuse can do it... Ubuntu should be able to do it too!]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:23:32 +0000
I prefer KDE to Gnome, and am disappointed by Kubuntu being a step cousin to Ubuntu.

Concrete example: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha4 Note the kubuntu in the URL. But the page shows Gnome screenshots, and says things like "The GTK version of the popular Transmission BitTorrent client comes with Alpha 4. It's set to replace the Gnome BitTorrent downloader." No mention of KTorrent.

It's disappointing to read all the hype about compiz-by-default and then realise "oh it's not for me, it's for the gnome users".]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:14:28 +0000
So I all agree with the
- Ubuntu Gnome edition
- Ubuntu KDE edition

and one website to rules them all ! So people can go on this site and choose what fit their need the best (with some screenshots, comments...) or they can easily install the other desktop later]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:36:28 +0000
1) Install Gnome/Ubuntu.
2) Add in KDE via Synaptic.
3) Work in Fluxbox.

(+1, though)]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:39:00 +0000
That way I get all the latest easy innovations like codec buddy and proprietary Graphics drivers, and I also tend to avoid the Command Line which seems to be such a requirement when any configurations changes are needed in Gnome.

Some examples:
It's been much easier to get the Nvidia drivers working using the Gnome Ubuntu desktop, then drop into the Kubuntu Desktop to change the screen resolution and specify the monitor etc.
Also it's much easier to change partitions and drive permissions from the Kubuntu systems settings GUI.

So provided I can still download and Install the Kubuntu, or Xubuntu desktops onto Ubuntu, and choose the session when logging in, I don't much care about which Desktop is the leader from a development point of view.

As to feature sets, the latest KDE 4.0 is quite a change shift and some of my favourite applications like Amarok will still be reliant on KDE 3 components, so as core programs aren't yet fully in tune with KDE 4.0 it might mean that Ubuntu prefers the small incremental development model of Gnome for its stability, compared to the big step now and again approach of KDE.]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:43:11 +0000 kde fans should try mepis,sidux and other Debian based distros if they really are concerned.
atleast leave Ubuntu as a Gnome distro.]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:56:32 +0000
all does fine for kde.
Only Gnome distro that bundles latest Gnome is Ubuntu only.
I feel it is sad that kde users wants to kill Ubuntu also :((

you kde ppl got looot of kde distros right?why are you ppl bugging,whining of kde in Ubuntu?
there are equal amount of people who hates eyecandy and bloat as is in kde.so,naturally their choice is Gnome.
please dont destroy Ubuntu by enforcing kde.
Once Ubuntu went kde path,there is no use for ppl like me to expect Gnome support in Ubuntu.

I can understand kde fans are more aggressive.
I remember tuxmagazine and mango parfait bashing Gnome.
gr8.please spare us,Gnome users live with this Ubuntu.
http://tuxmagazine.com
you kde boys got most distros made to run kde thing..why focus on Ubuntu?

PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD! :x]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:19:07 +0000
KDE fans.. post on your favourite kde sites to get support for this vote!]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 05:16:53 +0000
IMO there should be equal weight for the K & the G versions, which is not the case at present, e.g. see compiz and others, which seem poorly supported in Kubuntu. ( - or is it just me ?)

Personally I dislike the Gnome user experience & much prefer KDE - BUT this game isn't about personal preferences - it's about choice & maximum benefit for as many as possible.

I would support renaming as Ubuntu G version & Ubuntu K version to rebalance the media mindshare a bit.

I love kubuntu but if it falls much further behind I'll switch to Mint or PCLinuxOS
]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:22:59 +0000 It is dull by default because it has a brilliant idea behind it. If it is beutiful then there is no point in playing with it and trying to make it better, and if you are not tweaking you are not learning anything. For me this worked and I started to prettify it and learned all kind of things this way. To summarize, Gnome is for people who want to play with their PCs not for someone who wants to have it like in windowz, where they help you to remain ignorant.

Second, fellas, you forget that Gnome is identical to MacOS in the way it organises desktop, and it seems like MacOS interface is considered to be a good one.

Third, I tried Kubuntu and it broke my machine twice in one month. That says about everything. If a newbie tries it and it fails twice in one month, he goes and buys himself a new Win copy. If KDE is to be the default then it has to be waaaay more stable.

I've seen what KDE 4.0 is about and it has indeed cool new features, it would be nice if it would be stable.

For some reason I have the feeling that for lack of communication to blame is the team behind KDE. It seems like they consider themselves to be cool and they do not condescend to speak to "peasants" at Gnome. Well, then it's their loss...
Or maybe I'm wrong?]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:09:15 +0000 This is not a flamewar about is gnome better or is kde better. Fact is that many people use kde and many people use gnome so it would be better for cannonical to support both desktop environments equally.
And you could be right if you say kubuntu is not as stable as ubuntu at the moment. But that's the point of this discussion. We want that kde gets as much support as gnome so that the kde part of ubuntu can become as stable as and can have as much features as the gnome part of ubuntu.
It's not true that kde is not stable in general (except kde 4.0, but thats the first release of a new generation of kde and will also become stable in the future), the are many distros around that have good gnome and good kde support.]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:26:48 +0000 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:38:22 +0000
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Kubuntu devs. Kubuntu is my first distro and I learned tons about Linux based operating systems from it, mostly due to it's ease of use and newb friendlyness. Thank you!

@nixternal: As a normal end user I have tried to make some contribution. I've contributed to Kubuntu Guide and have made bug reports. I suppose I could have done more, like documentation and helping in the IRC channel, but it's a little late now since I am on the hunt for a new distro. I'll definitely try to check out the IRC channel though to see if I can help anyone with a problem. I am not the most tech savvy user(at least compared to other *nix users) so I am limited in how much I can help out.]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:57:47 +0000
No one from the KDE side is ranting or taking FUD shots at GNOME about bloat or instability or whatever. It would be nice if you guys could show the same respect.


Bottom line is that Canonical does treat Kubuntu like a red-headed side project. A side project that their happy to sell support contracts for, despite feature lag, lack of polish, instability (is there a more crash happy package manager than Adept?) and poor long term support (none for 8.04, and 6.06 was problematic).]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:34:00 +0000 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:24:55 +0000 So Ubuntu KDE is not as good as Ubuntu GNOME, that's not good for Cannonical and also not good for KDE.

If Cannonical really wants only GNOME support then they should only support GNOME because all the other support would be lost resources, as you said. But I think if Ubuntu wants to be the "best" Linux disto they cannot support only one desktop environment because for that they would also need the KDE users.
And I don't think that Cannonical cannot affort to get resources for more than one DE. Other distros can support more than one DE so also Ubuntu can make it.]]> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:32:55 +0000
Like the most Linux Desktop users.

I vote for a free non discriminating choose at installation time, which desktop system is to be installed.

Both GNOME and KDE and others should be supported equal and without any discrimination. So Canonical should hire another KDE Maintainer.

Today it is clearly a KDE discriminating way, but it is good enought. Better to put KDE equal to GNOME, stop splitting and offer both.

If the KDE Support is dropped towards GNOME desktop, we will change the distribution and look for an better solution for us and our customers.
Our decision can effect about 1000 desktop users to leave Ubuntu.

best regards from Germany
]]> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:41:37 +0000 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:17:03 +0000 thanks]]> Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:23:46 +0000
anyway.. i like the idea of naming the gnome version Gubuntu.. it would make these two more equal.. i think i give it a try.. ]]> Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:58:55 +0000
+1 from me in hopes that things could at least get even in the future when they decide how to distribute their efforts.]]> Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:05:26 +0000 Sun, 09 Mar 2008 07:52:38 +0000 -1 from me I'm afraid.]]> Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:24:36 +0000 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:04:18 +0000 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:04:28 +0000
Sorry, I think perpetuating these incompatible capabilities is a waste of our limited resources. Voted no.]]> Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:34:50 +0000 GNOME/Ubuntu is better because of the work Canonical does into it. If they had chosen KDE as primary desktop, Ubuntu would be the best distro too, but with KDE. That's sad, but true, and maybe too late.

Look. Many People from the Windows world who are interested in Linux (because they heard of it having no viruses etc...) want to try it, e.g. on a live cd, or install it.
And, as in EACH OTHER CASE in the history (not only software), people don't use the best things, but they use the things of the guys who scream loudest. Who have the best commercials.
The minority of people search for the best, they select of the things they are offered.
And if there is a distro which is hyped (like Ubuntu was) they take it. That's not bad at all, but you can do everything by changing the policy.
Look at SUSE. They tend to switch to GNOME as well because of what? Novell?

I've uses Kubuntu for a long time now, but more and more I feel like switching to GNOME because it works, it's more clear. Compare the menus, compare the networkmanagers, compare the things on the surface. That's what people look at. The Kubuntu artwork is poorest.

It's sad, but on the other hand, all the other distros which use KDE per default (i've tried Mepis, Mandriva Kanotix, Sidux, Yoper, Ark, Arch) are more integrated, but worse in my opinion. xUbuntu has a very good base and good hardware support AND is user-friendly.

I think, all in all Linux will need more time to marinade and maturate to compete with Win/OSX on the Desktop.
And I think KDE4 is a very pretty milestone on the way to that. Keep things simple, but not oversimle.

So, at least, my vote for making KDE Ubuntu's preference or at least treat it equally.
;-)]]> Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:27:10 +0000
Just two buttons of the big difference between ubuntu and Kubuntu.

The day of the release of Gutsy, the instructions to make the upgrade was wrong. Nobody with this instructions could never upgrade the system. I modified myself the instructions
and gave a notice to modify the instructions and it took nearly a day to modify it.

Just another thing that illustrate it.
Look at this bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/146145

People has solved it an TODAY there is still not solved and it seems there is no intention to solve it.

We do not have one official release of this bug (note that is one easy bug).

This is just only two buttons of the very important difference between ubuntu and kubuntu.

You have my vote.


PD: nisternal look at my example bug and you will see that the people is helping reporting and fixing bugs, and kubuntu team does nothing.

Excuse my tone and my bad English language ;)]]> Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:00:48 +0000
The DE isn't important for a distribution. Both KDE and Gnome provide a desktop, a few applications and configuration management. You can easily run applications from either DE in the other. Ubuntu is a Gnome/Gnu/Linux distribution and Kubuntu is just taking resources away.

I'd much rather see a pixel-perfect default theme for both Gtk and Qt, so that it really doesn't matter whether you use a Gtk-app, a Qt-app, a Gnome-app, or a KDE-app. That way, Qt/Gtk just become personal preferences of developers and not such a clear leaning towards either KDE or Gnome.

I wouldn't mind if Ubuntu switched to KDE either. Because KDE and Gnome both have excellent theming capabilities, it would have the same Tango-ish brown-ish look and feel. And it would work just as well.

The only pet peeve I would have, would be those annoying K's everywhere. But nothing that a Gnome-app here and there couldn't fix. I'm all for mixing apps from different environments. Let's force them to work perfectly and transparently together.]]> Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:17:47 +0000 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:13:20 +0000 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:11:38 +0000
Ubuntu has got more users because has got more "magic" than Kubuntu.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/150333]]> Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:06:04 +0000 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:56:48 +0000
Not to mention, KDE mimics Vista. How low can you go?

Personally, I'd love to see an EEE-like interface ported to Ubuntu. Something different altogether.
Also, it could have a quick-switch button to change
to GNOME (human).

]]> Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:30:43 +0000
For example...

Fedora, openSUSE & Mandriva give you a choice of desktops. They don't have a distros with specific names relating to the desktop.

All of the above have DVD installs where you are asked to choose between GNOME or KDE (or install both).

They also have Live CDs with for each Desktop (e.g. Mandriva One GNOME and Fedora Live KDE).

But regardless of desktop, the distro name remains the same.

The fact that the "Kubuntu" name even exists means KDE in Ubuntu becomes the red-headed stepchild.

How often is the "Kubuntu" name mentioned in the press (when compared to Ubuntu)?

And Kubuntu is so highly customized that experienced users wanting both GNOME and KDE (like myself) aren't even able to get the traditionl KDE Konqueror even if they only install KDE (sans "kubuntu").

No, KDE and GNOME need to be on equal footing, just like they are with the above mentioned distros.]]> Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:23:23 +0000
As a developer already mentioned at the beginning of this thread the majority of work done by Canonical is on the underlying systems. But because of the naming that work on 'Ubuntu' sounds like it's not helping Kubuntu.

It's the same way that the split between ubuntuforums and kubuntuforums. Yet, the majority of problems you'll have on Kubuntu will equally apply to Ubuntu because of the underlying system.

I vote for everything being great.]]> Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:45:33 +0000
- Equal advertisement, space & press releases for ALL derivatives it claims to support...

- Equal staffing and development for ALL derivatives it claims to support...

- Equal Support in forums for ALL derivatives it claims to support...


then they should drop everything including the derivatives for one desktop (Gnome - YUK!!!). Then watch their popularity and momentum suddenly stop.

Everyone knows KDE offers more than Gnome ever thought of having. I among many would like to have the true or real (non-cannibalized (Distromized))version of KDE, not what the distro thinks we should have.

In short; regardless of the stats, Forum posting numbers, this place or wherever, Canonical should provide equal everything to all flavors it claims to support. Fair is fair and bias is NOT a part of the GPL or the motion Linus set into play.


]]> Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:38:08 +0000
Esp. as I don't want to support GNOME for political reasons.]]> Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:46:18 +0000 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:54:09 +0000
One thing that made my switch to Linux easy was that KDE emulates certain basic concepts of a Windows desktop, but in a much more consistent and user friendly way. Now, three years later, I get the feeling again that somebody wants me locked into a specific environment. It's a shame. And with all the Microsoft-loving politics behind the GNOME project, wouldn't it be time for Canonical to market all major desktops supported by their distribution in an equal way, just to be on the safe side when the MS/Novell patent trap snaps?

Ubuntu should just be marketed as what it is: A distribution that can run different desktop environments, which appeal to different types of users. A potential Linux convert visiting the Ubuntu site would instantly learn from the main page that it is available in different editions: Ubuntu G (basic desktop for mom & pop), Ubuntu K (for power users and Windows converts), Ubuntu X (for older computers) and Ubuntu E (for schools and children). Every edition would have a download link that automagically selects the best FTP, and a torrent link. This way, it would be easy like cake to select a suitable edition with a suitable desktop and software base, without enforcing or favoring a specific choice.]]> Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:03:24 +0000


We can have only 1 distro with the 3 different desktop envirnments!
I approve all the lordtoran comment!!]]> Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:23:14 +0000 [URL=http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/6828/][IMG]http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/6828/image/1/[/IMG][/URL]

And here (if the previous goes wrong) the traditional link:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/6828/]]> Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:25:52 +0000 KDE deserves the same support as GNOME. ]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:53:39 +0000
Linus Torvalds say "Please, just tell people to use KDE,"]]> Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:28:34 +0000 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:34:33 +0000
Why won't Canonical treat KDE with the respect and equality that it deserves? If nothing else, call it a means to hedge against any potential rocky patches during future DE version development, not to mention a protection against the worst case scenario that Gnome's current rush to graft in as much M$-inspired code as possible gives Redmond an opportunity to really hurt Gnome.

There's still time to correct this, and the end result could be to win back KDE users that long since left for better treatment in the Suse or Fedora camps (and it's a sad statement indeed that Fedora now treats KDE better than Canonical)

Ubuntu Gnome Edition is an excellent distro, don't get me wrong. But there are those that find normal KDE to be a far superior desktop. But Kubuntu usually doesn't do KDE justice. Not to mention that Kubuntu is always about 1-2 releases behind Ubuntu in terms of cross-desktop feature parity.

A Kubuntu user shouldn't have to feel like he has to run Kubuntu Hardy just to get the same level of functionality that was present in Ubuntu Feisty.]]> Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:58:47 +0000
An approach to effectively do something about it may be to aggregrate these tools into a *buntu specific application suite and drop both Gtk/GNOME and Qt/KDE developers into the responsible team. That would concentrate cross-desktop development manpower at the place where it is most needed.]]> Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:40:37 +0000 One good thing that come from less support of Kubuntu was that, that I learned to use shell (Konsole) than tjose few weeks I used Ubuntu. So i really don't think that Kubuntu is any worse than Ubuntu it's just underdeveloped. I use KDE4 and it works just fine
it has some errors but as recent Windows user I'm used to that.
But it works really good for totally new release. And I like big steps (probably because I'm used ow Windows). I mean GNOME looks the same as it did on Red Hat 9 (I don't know is that really bad or good thing.)
This idea would be really good with idea I had, which can be found here: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7372/]]> Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:22:00 +0000
I recently installed both Ubuntu and Kubuntu (Hardy Heron RC), after running Kubuntu off & on for the past several years on a Windows dual-boot. Ubuntu worked much better "out-of-the-box" than Kubuntu, especially when it came to Wifi and dual-monitor support. Ubuntu did a better job of detecting my Broadcom chipset and supporting WPA2 than Kubuntu.

I don't want to have to spend a ton of additional time making things work due to an apparent lack of effort in Kubuntu. I still prefer KDE to Gnome, but it's easy enough to apt-get any of the window managers that it *should* be a moot point.

I'm looking for a fully-functional, stable, secure, and *easy-to-use* environment to replace Vista; don't give me any reasons to switch back...]]> Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:25:46 +0000
so -1 for this]]> Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:44:02 +0000
+1]]> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:30:27 +0000
I remember Mark Shuttleworth saying at the beginnen of Kubuntu, Kubuntu is going to be the best KDE Distro and number One choice...
What happend????

That should not be, *ubuntu is a great OS and KDE4 a even more better DE.


]]> Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:05:02 +0000
as ubuntu is a Debian fork and debian lets you pick your own DE then ubuntu should be the same way.

One Ubuntu! many DE's.

]]> Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:12:33 +0000 Mon, 05 May 2008 23:53:06 +0000
Better support now, please !]]> Tue, 06 May 2008 19:21:14 +0000
I definitely think one Ubuntu and multiple desktop environments is the way to go.]]> Tue, 06 May 2008 22:07:59 +0000
Once KDE4 desktop will be mature to version 4.1.3 - 4.2.2, then (k)ubuntu would be the first choice of open source desktop in corporate use (it is much more business-like than Gnome). Therefore Canonical should put much more effort to development and support. It would also generate more support business to them as well (not only servers).]]> Thu, 08 May 2008 18:18:31 +0000
My point is also they should put more intress in kubuntu. But thats why they ban me on ubuntu-nl.org i said kubuntu should get more intressent and they can not have it.

So i realy mad about it that they just say like go to kubuntu.org but i talk about gernal and newbie will first visit kubuntu.org.]]> Tue, 13 May 2008 17:52:58 +0000 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:15:59 +0000
There could also be a DVD with all desktop environments on it, which many distros nowadays have.]]> Sat, 17 May 2008 16:36:19 +0000
Said this, I'm perfectly conscious of the difficulties for the developers, but not everybody is able to become a developer...or can you imagine an everybody-is-a-programmer world?]]> Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:57:40 +0000 I love kde more than gnome right from when i started using slackware, which was my first distro. Only gnome distro used to date is ubuntu.
I wait for a polished kde4 distro in kubuntu 8.10.
]]> Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:38:55 +0000
KUBUNTU NEEDS MORE DEVELOPERS, because:
- The bugs in Kubuntu are resolved very later than the bugs in Ubuntu.
- Ubuntu's tools are bad implemented in KDE, and later than in GNOME.

For this two points, I think that the comment from Nixternal is just for to try to silence some mouths.

I love Kubuntu because is a Debian-like up-to-date KDE distro. But Kubuntu does not do honor to KDE.
Make Kubuntu better (like Ubuntu) or stop the project.]]> Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:35:47 +0000 And if you get used to something - which is even worse than others - you won't change it easily.

There are studies that people in VERY few cases change their tooth paste - a life long.

So - if you get people use KDE more - things will change. but this is not done easily.

IMO the "easier" way would be if someone started a NEW distro with the same popularity but with KDE.
But that's too late I think.]]> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:46:23 +0000
With all due respect, doesn't voting for/commenting on this idea constitute a contribution to Kubuntu?

Many people, through their votes and comments, are expressing an interest in the Kubuntu project and its further development.

In my personal experience, Kubuntu is vastly superior to Ubuntu. It suits my needs better and allow me to be more effecient/productive. Also, it "just works" far better than Ubuntu.

I really couldn't care less about Kubuntu-specific artwork, but the feature parity issue is truly important.

I think the Kubuntu team do a great job. I'm not a programmer, and so am unable to contribute on that end. That said, I do try to help others in the forums - and perhaps most importantly, I try to find opportunities for word-of-mouth advertising for Kubuntu.

One day I might even try my hand at contributing some documentation.

...all of that to say: I think it is not at all helpful to make statements such as, "Here is a better idea, instead of telling Canonical to contribute to Kubuntu/KDE more, how come people in here aren't contributing to Kubuntu/KDE more?"

The assumption underlining this statement is specious at best; I would suggest to you that many who have voted/commented here *do*, in fact, contribute to Kubuntu.]]> Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:25:14 +0000
I know most people will say more choice is always better but I think in this case it's just divisive. A united linux desktop technology would rule the world... at the moment I'd have to install over a dozen packages just to run 'kate' on Ubuntu :-/]]> Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:53:15 +0000 - Create a website to donate money for one more paid developer for Kubuntu: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14276/



]]> Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:42:19 +0000 If you feel you want to make Kubuntu better then, please, HELP us, rather then rant at us. Don't think more complaints == better software, it doesn't work like that.

Anyway, the core of my message here is not meant as an attack/rant, even if it has a slight component of that. What I would really like is, all of you that feel strongly than Kubuntu should be better, do something about it. Help us make Kubuntu the best KDE Linux distribution there is.]]> Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:33:43 +0000 http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_KDEV/

So somebody is listening! Please, vote and let Canonical know that the KDE community is no less important that the Gnome community. ]]> Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:25:45 +0000
The real issue here is not what the user community can or cannot contribute to Kubuntu; rather, it is that we Kubuntu users are frustrated at seeing on one hand Canonical continue to insist that Kubuntu gets the same level of *official* support, while on the other hand seeing that reality doesn't conform to that insistence.

(For purposes of this argument, "level of support" means number of paid Ubuntu/Kubuntu devs, and number of devs working on GNOME/KDE apps.)

Most of us would be happier if Canonical would simply say, "Our official distribution is GNOME-based Ubuntu. For official Kubuntu support, what you see is what you get. The responsibility of keeping KDE-based Kubuntu up to par with Ubuntu rests with the Kubuntu user community."

Or, they could hire more KDE devs (as dotancohen indicates above).

One or the other; don't just keep telling us something that we can see does not square with reality.]]> Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:47:06 +0000 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:34:14 +0000
GNOME Ubuntu has been growing from strength to strength and it's brilliant! :-D

But Kubuntu users would like the same sparkle too! KDE 4 is promising, but I wish they made it feature complete before making it the default for Intrepid...]]> Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:26:34 +0000
Ubuntu chose Gnome because of the reliable time-based schedule.

KDE now has a reliable 6 month schedule.

KDE4 is an awesome development playground to build a desktop from.

There needs to be more resources (time, people, money) thrown at it.

Actually, forget money. Mark Shuttleworth has contributed TONS of money to KDE. What is needed is people.]]> Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:17:50 +0000