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The Gnome team is not in touch with the average user. They take the "tried and true" route on the development patch. KDE is far too bloated and unstable. Usability had not improved and easy of use remains stagnant on both end. Ubuntu seeks to make linux for human beings, but constantly relies on outside projects to provide that functionality. We need a middle ground interface that is powerful, element, and useful. I want to see new ideas and interfaces, not recycled ones. Gnome is Desktop 1.0 and its time to move the interface forward.
Related:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3207/
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3444/
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neon wrote on the 14 Mar 08 at 17:47
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Do you realize how much work that would take?
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nullmind wrote on the 14 Mar 08 at 18:21
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I'm not going to deny ideas because they take a lot of work, but I don't see the benefits of forking Gnome, and your most important argument was that gnome has poor communication, which is IMO untrue and you provide no examples.
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jespdj wrote on the 14 Mar 08 at 19:21
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An Ubuntu-specific desktop is a BAD idea and is not necessary. That means people will (have to) write programs that only work on Ubuntu and not on other Linux distros that use the standard GNOME.
Instead of having a negative, hostile attitude against GNOME, you'd better try joining the GNOME project and contribute new, good ideas in a positive way, to make GNOME itself better instead.
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XSP wrote on the 14 Mar 08 at 19:24
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From reading all your ideas, it appears what you want is a free Mac OS X clone which is just as bad as all the Windows clone suggestions. Linux is a different world. Learn to use it the way it is and perhaps you will see why things were don't the way they were.
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johan wrote on the 15 Mar 08 at 09:33
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@ XSP
You are correct. There's way to much "Copy the Mac" or "Copy Vista" in here.
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Auzy wrote on the 15 Mar 08 at 14:46
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Theres a reason for that. We aren't learning from Apple or Microsoft. We should, they learn off us and each other.
Our only benefit at the moment over them, is that we are free, and its open source. Thats it.. Really, thats all. And maybe package management.
Businesses don't care though, gamers don't care. Admins don't care. And home users dont care.
I've tried ubuntu server and Windows server. I'd feel safer setting windows server up for a company, because its easier to administer, and its more powerful. And they generally wont care about the cost.
Gamers want something fast that will run all their games. Seeing as we all hate closed source, we get shonky hardware drivers that aren't complete because we make it difficult on them (X-Fi for instance, creative wont change their ways). So Gamers are stuck using windows. Also, Ubuntu wont install on my computer.
And yeah, stuff like Automator and applescript and MS office help businesses alot. They want flexibility.
And home users want something easy to use thats nice and powerful (XP/OSX). We don't like movie editing or any of that stuff apparently. In fact, people complain thats too Apple like.
But overall, I don't really agree with the idea. You are better off going KDE. KDE4 has had a lot of work put in and is very flexible, and for the first time in our lives, brings it up to OSX's desktop standards really. But seeing as my vote has no impact on what will happen in regards to a fork, +0
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antistress wrote on the 15 Mar 08 at 15:47
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burn, baby, burn !
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vexorian wrote on the 15 Mar 08 at 16:07
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A Gnome fork is vital for the whole Linux community, but the stated reasons in this posts are basically wrong. And BTW, KDE is far from bloated or unstable.
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Rioting_Pacifist wrote on the 19 Mar 08 at 01:00
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@azuy
"We aren't learning from Apple or Microsoft." any examples? I cant think of a single apple/microsoft feature i can't implement on my ubuntu box, sure they're not all default but thats because some people like 3 button mice(default), while others like 2(windows) or 1(apple) (referring to default usage not the availability of actual mice)
"Businesses don't care though, gamers don't care. Admins don't care. And home users dont care."
Well apart from the fact that businesses do care otherwise they wouldn't be switching whole stock markets over.Admins do care otherwise more web servers would be on windows, and windows only games wouldn't publish linux servers. And home users most defiantly care otherwise there wouldn't be a ubuntu community.
"Seeing as we all hate closed source, we get shonky hardware drivers that aren't complete because we make it difficult on them" last time i checked nvidea performed better on linux than vista.
"feel safer setting windows server up for a company, because its easier to administer, and its more powerful." any justification of that, or just because you dont know how to administer a linux box? how is it more powerful, it has the same computational power but it can only be installed on a FAT/NTFS filesystem, which for certain tasks arnt nearly as good as JFS/XFS or reiserFS/ext. how is it going to be safer if you cant harden your install?
"And yeah, stuff like Automator and applescript and MS office help businesses alot. They want flexibility."
what like being locked into a proprietary format, how is that flexibility. wow applescript, have you heard of bash scripting or RegEx, there's not much they cant do in terms of scripting.
YOU sire are trolling
In fact the whole idea is pretty much a troll, there are plenty of experimental Desktop Environments/Window Managers out there but most people prefer KDE or gnome. and kde is not bloated!
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mikesa81 wrote on the 26 Mar 08 at 04:53
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@spyyder:
"I want to see new ideas and interfaces, not recycled ones."
take a look at your "ideas" and count how many times you yourself propose features found in osx and windows.
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qaaq wrote on the 28 Mar 08 at 05:05
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You don't know how good you have it.
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droetker wrote on the 3 Jul 08 at 05:39
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And KDE is neither bloated nor unstable.
Ubuntu doesn't put much love into KDE - if it had KDE as default desktop it would be the best KDE distro ever, far beyond SUSE.
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Auzy wrote on the 3 Jul 08 at 06:58
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@Rioting_Pacifist, unless linux learns to take negative criticism instead of bluntly calling everyone trolls, Linux wont get anywhere. Thats the reality.
I'm just asking Linux people are completely honest to themselves and act as critics, instead of professional debaters. That's how Apple got where they are. They honestly saw OS9 as the junk it was and fixed it. All os's have junk, our problem though is that we don't choose to accept problems with any of our programs.
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))Well apart from the fact that businesses do care otherwise
))they wouldn't be switching whole stock markets over.
You mean NY Stock Exchange? Yeah, from AIX to Linux. So we are stealing market-share away from the Unix market. And its only because AIX really doesn't have any following these days. All the businesses I've been to seem to have been based around Windows 2000/2003 server..
That's because businesses want servers which are easy to administer. Anyone can administer a windows server with little effort. BUT NOT ubuntu server.
In fact, the business I worked for blocked me from installing Linux over our current windows server, despite me giving them a presentation of the benefits. Even doing something simple like adding a new user to a linux server can still be a nightmare.
))Admins do care otherwise more web servers would be on windows.
That's only because Linux is free. The question is, if ordinary users wanted to set up their own server. Could they? NOPE!!
))Windows only games wouldn't publish linux servers.
They do that because it is almost effortless.
))home users most defiantly care otherwise there
))wouldn't be a ubuntu community.
You are mistaking home users, and hobbyist developers. I don't know any hardcore ubuntu users currently who aren't also developers.
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))"last time i checked nvidea performed better on linux than vista."
Thats Bulls***. You haven't really checked.
Also, thats irrelevent. Because I have never seen anyone get 5.1 Optical sound working in linux, TrackIR's working in linux (which is big for flight sims), and X-Fi's cant.
So its irrelevent, when most peoples hardware seems to only partially work. Nobody wants to buy a $300 hardware device only to have to throw it out because there are no drivers.
Yet, we go and tell them to, and expect that to be a good response.
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))have you heard of bash scripting or RegEx,
))there's not much they cant do in terms of scripting.
The difference is that they host Bash scripting courses for computer science (I know because I did it), but Apple has sessions for Automator that last only an hour..
And Bash scripting doesn't interface with gui applications well (thats what I was referring to). E17's libs will do this extremely well, but we aren't there yet. QT4 apparently also gets there (but haven't really researched that topic).
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notyetroot wrote on the 15 Aug 08 at 17:33
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This wouldn't achieve anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't XFree86 failing when it forked?
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