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I guess everybody has experienced the rather long boot up times in Ubuntu (particularly with laptops). I know they are already working on it, but the change from feisty to gutsy was a pain in the ass in terms of boot up speed.
A default WinXP installation beats Ubuntu's boot up time by far!! That shouldn't be allowed fellas!!
I therefore propose to the development team (both Ubuntu and by extension Gnome)to work on the improvement of boot up times in Ubuntu systems.
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facundocorradini wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 16:15
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IMHO, the boot times are just great.
And i prefer longer load times, and stability, than shorter load times and a system that..sucks.
Stop comparing thing. Ubuntu is not windows.
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zelut wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 16:20
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Boot times on my machines are just fine as well.
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marco.ferragina wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 16:44
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I've 2 distros installed on my laptop: Ubuntu Gutsy and Arch Linux! The feel with arch is that it's whippy. From the other side ubuntu is sluggish. Sure I know that my system is not so up to date (a 1.5 Ghz centrino 512 M Ram) but Arch work very well on it with the same services loaded as in ubuntu.
So I think Ubuntu can do something to improve boot time and performance in general
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dualscreenman wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 16:56
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XP is way slower than Ubuntu for me.
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jakethecake wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 17:25
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Gutsy boots in about 20sec for me. With concurrent init.d scripts enabled in /etc/init.d/rc and a mtron ssd HardDrive.
That's soo much faster than when I dualboot Win XP on that same machine.
It's for sure, the quickes non-custom compiled distro*.
*(ie. arch, gentoo etc),
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Corey wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 17:25
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Ubuntu boots quick, but I'm all for quicker.
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Veejay wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 18:11
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@jakethecake: Not everyone can afford a SSD hard drive, which by the way totally skews the "boot time perception" off. SSD inherently induce faster boot times, so your 20 seconds don't really mean much here.
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FastZ wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 18:38
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I've noticed a slow boot time for Ubuntu on my laptop, that's brand new btw and has a dual core CPU, 2 gb RAM, 256Mb graphics, etc. I don't see a delay when booting on my desktop computer however, so maybe this is an issue regarding laptops?
How come we can't find a way to make Ubuntu read our minds and already have the computer turned on, booted up and everything before we even finish thinking about it?
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facundocorradini wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 19:11
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The problem with the boot times is usually caused by a dual-boot installation with windows. It's due to the delay of mounting windows partitions..
so maybe that's the reason of your "slow boot up speed".
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lswest wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 19:21
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Honestly, i boot up in under 30 seconds, Mounting a 120+GB partition of vista junk (and my music^^) and then signing in to GRUB is a bit slower, but i run Gutsy with Compiz-Fusion enabled, so it's understandable, but still only takes maybe another 15-30 seconds to load the desktop. What i noticed WAS bogging down my boot was the fact that my nforce ethernet card was being renamed every boot, due to the fact that it was assigned a random mac address, so i re-wrote a udev rule so it was assigned eth0 by PCI bus ID and deleted the excess rules for eth0-175 and noticed a substantial decrease in boot time. So, anyone having slow boot times might want to check out if they have any issues like i had before.
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keen101 wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 20:00
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I agree that boot time needs to be a little faster. I think all the extra crap that came with gutsy in >system >preferences >sessions should be cut down. There were not as many things in >system >preferences >sessions in the feisty release.
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deejross wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 20:40
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If you wanna talk about boot times, it takes about 10 seconds from the time I login to the time I see my desktop on a dual-core 3.4Ghz machine with 4GB RAM. On the older laptop I have, it takes 20-30 seconds. It takes longer to LOGIN than to BOOT sometimes! For me, boot times are reasonable, it's the login times I'm concerned with.
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F for Fragging wrote on the 28 Feb 08 at 21:11
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What annoys me is GRUB's 3 seconds delay before the kernel is booted. Booting the kernel doesn't take that much time in my opinion. I agree with deejross that the time it takes to log in to GNOME could use some serious improvement. The work Federico Mena-Quintero is doing - http://www.gnome.org/~federico/index.html#improving-login-time - on reducing that should get some more backing, because it seems he is the only GNOME developer occupied with it.
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wnelson wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:15
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A detail review of services is needed so the user can make a choice on which service they need and don't. Or a desktop and laptop and server configuration.
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Scunizi wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:19
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I'd like to see a gui with simple check boxes that will allow an Administrator to turn on or off services that start at boot time. If you don't use bluetooth why load the service and so on.
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ozymandias wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:26
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Drop Gnome entirely and replace it with KDE.
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pynej wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 00:38
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I agree, the boot times are not that bad, not worth messing with until other issues are solved. Very low priority.
If you really thing your boot time is long, you can speed it up quite a bit by just disabling all the startup services you don't need.
Now, a nice GUI to configure init.d scripts, that'd be nice. The services-admin tool is only moderately usefully to me, and entirely useless to an average user.
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lcampagn wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 01:36
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Agreed--boot times are comparable, especially if you consider how much longer it takes to log in to XP. I don't consider the machine "booted" until the disk stops crunching and I can actually open my web browser.
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AaronPeterson wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:15
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ditch gnome. a miss simple miss click can leave you with disaterous setting changes, and it complicates doing basic tasks like choosing which folder to save a file.
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Kadaz wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 02:55
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Ubuntu boot times are just fine for me.
Instead of boot times, i prefer stability more.
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linuxoser wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 03:42
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I have ubuntu and arch installed on my laptop. I do prefer to boot into arch when I turn on my laptop, because when after pressing enter, I will see arch very soon, but ubuntu cannot do that...hope ubuntu can do as fast as arch does.
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sciurus wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 03:42
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"It takes longer to LOGIN than to BOOT sometimes!"
Same here.
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thib wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 04:16
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"It takes longer to LOGIN than to BOOT sometimes!"
+1
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afuchs wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 05:47
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"It takes longer to LOGIN than to BOOT sometimes!"
same
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l0b0 wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 08:58
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No go. My laptop (Pentium M 1.73GHz) with Gutsy boots faster than my desktop (P4 3GHz) with XP SP2 newly installed.
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kuahyeow wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 09:06
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I used to think Ubuntu was slow, no it was my windows dual-boot (Dosfsck still very slow!). So I turned that off.
Though, one thing that can help is properly configured splash screens. I see a lot of dark nothingness when booting because screen resolution is misconfigured somehow.
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 amaranth (Ubuntu Developer) wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 10:02
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Probably close to half your login time is caused by Compiz.
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ExtraEye wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 10:04
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facundocorradini - It's wierd to say Ubuntu is not windows as an argument against compairing - shouldn't Ubuntu or any other operating system try to beat their competitor? These days much of the software people look doesn't work in linux natively so it's important that at least at the performance side of things Ubuntu would stay on top.
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cedric.berger wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 10:36
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boot time sometimes bores me, but I would consider it fast enough if hibernation worked correctly with my laptop, and booting from scratch was not needed each time I power on my computer.
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cyberwiz wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 10:59
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preload idea is cool. however I have never experienced a slow Ubuntu boot on any of my machines (laptop and desktop).
Perhaps the boot delay can be caused by a wait time for some device to initialize (ex. long time for the network adapter to obtain a DHCP IP address.)
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Velvet Elvis wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 11:40
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Why is everyone rebooting so often that this is an issue?
It's not windows so you don't get the memory fragmentation that slows your system down until you reboot.
The solution should to eliminate the need for full shutdowns by fixing the suspend modes.
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johno wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 13:11
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Why is everyone rebooting so often? - because, as you say, SUSPEND and HIBERNATE don't work in newer Ubuntu releases!!!
Suspend to RAM typically uses very little more power than the off leakage, so it makes sense to use it. If these are fixed, it really takes pressure off boot times.
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TheAethereal wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 13:36
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I'm looking at about a 3 minute boot time. It was somewhere around 30 seconds in previous versions of Ubuntu. I get the same results with Xubuntu.
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dcherryholmes wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 13:37
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As another poster already mentioned, hibernation is broken (for me and my ATI, anyway). I'd love to not reboot constantly, and I'd love to put my home desktop to sleep when it's idle (Nvidia card, still doesn't work). Currently, these are not options.
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seshomaru samma wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 14:17
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"It takes longer to LOGIN than to BOOT sometimes!"
+1
boots in 10 seconds
login about 20
1GB 2.20GHz
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powerjg wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 16:01
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I don't have any problems with boot times. Ubuntu boots 2-3 times as fast as my XP did.
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elkanguro wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 16:43
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On my notebook, Ubuntu boots faster than Xp, ubuntu 65s and Xp 90s. But it would be graet if it could boot in 20-30s
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JasonSoze wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 17:59
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Slow boot time was the only reason I switched back to XP from Kubuntu (both power-on and wake-up from hibernation were very slow). I have a 1.5GHz Centrino with 512MB RAM and XP boots up 3x faster.
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hrvooje wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 18:07
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no need for faster boot time. i don't like to boot at all. i like to turn on my ubuntu computer and leave it on until next version of ubuntu is out.
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rawsausage wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:34
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I have P4@2.8 with 1G DDR-400 and Raptor. Windows XP is up in 11 seconds or so. Ubuntu does 25 or so. Most of that is because of the ancient init script system and because of the networking. What I'd do is to remove the bootsplash and start X when you would have normally be doing first userland update to the bootsplash. And hack the GDM to start instantly, it can for instance for networking get dbus signal when it is up. There is no technical reason for not getting the logon screen (as reactive) in the first second.
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ketilwaa wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 21:54
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For boot up time on laptops with a lot of reboots, there at least should be an option to "skip fschk for this session". If you have multiple partitions, you can get fschk's taking forever really often.
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heavyal wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 22:20
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It's not so much the boot time that ticks me off as it is that hibernate/sleep and resume don't work consistently. If they did I wouldn't reboot .. well .. ever! But if you can't fix the resume functionality then you gotta make it boot faster (and shutdown faster for that matter) because I'm sure everyone agrees that toting around a powered up laptop 24/7 is just asking for trouble.
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v1ncent wrote on the 29 Feb 08 at 22:59
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I agree, for me the boot time it takes around 20 seconds, and my xp only 4 secs... I'm not actually comparing, but is something that i note.
The fact that there are different systems doesn't means that Linux could do better.
Anyway, that not a big deal, what it makes me uncomfortable is the login time, it takes too much, around 20 secs or more... maybe is because of Compiz or the AWN, OK, i understand that, but in the future the Ubuntu team could make Compiz work better in that aspect.
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ww wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 07:58
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Why speed it up? its faster than winXP already!
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zsolt320i wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 10:29
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Hello,
comparing is always a good thing, because this motivates everyone to improve their goods!
So pls compare, and compare with XP, or with MAc or other operating systems!
My opinion is, if there are resources, and possibility to speed up the boot time, than is should be improved!
Thank's!!!
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feNNec wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 12:21
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Boot time is quite OK for me. It would always be better if faster. A modules loading optimization would be a way to improve: there are too many useless (for a hardware config) modules loaded at startup.
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larrydart wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 12:59
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Boot time isn't a problem for, either with Ubuntu or Kubuntu or any other distro or even MS Windows.
Why this obsession with with boot times? Are you seriously saying you sit with a stop watch and time how long it takes your computer to boot?
Perhaps rather than blaming the OS you should look at how many apps you've installed that are causing this unimportant "problem".
Relax, press the power button then go look out the window at the real world for a minute, flick through a newspaper, magazine, book, talk to someone, make a drink etc.
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jrusinek wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 20:03
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GNOME people are working on this, so this "idea" is useless.
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LostOverThere wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 07:56
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Yes, Ubuntu needs a better boot time. Ubuntu currently has an absolutely shocking boot time! This needs to be fixed.
Try Fedora, or Debian. They boot and login a LOT more faster then Ubuntu. Ubuntu looks like Vista when compared to the speed of other distros.
larrydart, boot time isn't that important. But really, we can do better.
And jrusinek, its great that GNOME are working on this too. But Ubuntu needs to improve their startup as well. ^^
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arekkusu wrote on the 2 Mar 08 at 11:36
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I wandering if some of the people here that are reporting very slow boot time (TheAethereal> 3 minute) are subject to a bug in Gusty. If you don't see the loading splash screen you might have to look here: http://mytechxp.blogspot.com/2007/11/fixing-long-boot-time-with-black-screen.ht ml
I know it's not a support forum here but just wanted to point that out.
BTW I personally thing fast boot up time are sweet BUT I don't think it's a major problem now and some other issue are more important IMO (just think Suspend, faster application startup...)
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deepclutch wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 03:02
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will kde desktop more faster?can I customize kde desktop like Gnome default?like 2 panels and different menus,simple looks etc?
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garnettxd wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 04:33
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it is slow, on my machine, the time cost by the progress bar stage and login in stage takes 8 times that windows needs to boot into desktop....
some body said no comparing because Ubuntu is not Windows,that is fool,we only stop comparing if Ubuntu is Windows.
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frisket wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 08:59
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Despite some comments, boot time (especially on laptops) *is* slow, amd a lot of it seems to be due to overlong timeouts. Like if the network isn't connected (which it never will be on a laptop at boot time), it *really isn't connected*, so don't waste time waiting for it; in fact don't even bother looking for it.
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rapid-penguin wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 14:02
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Clean the autostart-menu! After an installation Gnome needs
10 Seconds to be completly started. Remove Bluetooth and Evolution Alarm Notify
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LostOverThere wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 05:32
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Even if you do that its still slow as hell.
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Arioch wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 08:51
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It is not an usplash configuration.
I've tryed every post in different forums and blogs to improve boot up speed, but not success. The main bottleneck is at GNOME start up after login in. I've tryed disabling everything on start up and disabling compiz....it doesn't work either.
Many people has reported same issues.
Upstart seems promissing, but there's not doubt that more work is needed to improve boot up times (both ubuntu and gnome). My flat mate has a macbook...OMG!! that's really fast!! My own laptop with a default WinXP installation is much faster than Ubuntu...
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Henridv wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 15:45
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In my opinion the boot time is really great!
I have a new laptop right now with (temporarily) Vista on it, and it takes houres to boot up!
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2-bits wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 18:28
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The boot time is phenomenal! It boots faster than XP/Vista any day.
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edcrypt wrote on the 14 Mar 08 at 17:27
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There should be a way to close ideas as "Perenial goal". There will always be people who think that this is not done. It is fast enough with 500mb of RAM.
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Arioch wrote on the 18 Mar 08 at 08:49
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The Ubuntu community has (and is) manifested its will. This is the sixth most voted post so far. Of course not all of us are 3l1t3, hats (black or white), or skillful programers...but we all share the same pasion (Ubuntu) and concerns. Thus, we all think that Ubuntu needs a faster boot-up process, or at least by default easier ways to configure it to be faster.
The main goals for Ubuntu are Human Beings....lets work for them and not for a few bunch of (unvaluable) geeks (among whom I consider myself) with very particular needs.
UBUNTU NEEDS A FASTER BOOT UP!!!!! It is a pain in the ass to wait 3-4 minutes to get a fully capable desktop.
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txtfile wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 00:23
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my xp is not faster than my hardy
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Xan wrote on the 20 Mar 08 at 09:59
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30 SECONDS. I think that this is the objective. No more than 30 seconds to boot [gdm appears]. More time is boring for user.
Thanks.
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aidave wrote on the 21 Mar 08 at 18:38
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I found Ubuntu bootup slowed down and became "ugly" once I installed KDE.
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Robsie wrote on the 23 Mar 08 at 15:12
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The more components your machine has and the more services you have to install the longer it takes to load. If you want a faster bootup then only enable your most commonly used services and components and then start them up manually when you log on.
And you cannot compare Ubuntu with Windows:
My machine at work takes 2-3 minutes to get to use-ability after I log on.
When I had installed the same sort of facilities on by Ubuntu, it took just as long to start up, but before I had logged on. Hence I can switch on my Linux machine, go and get everything I need and switch on
Verdict: leave things to startup before log on, that's fine I don't need another Windows
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Robsie wrote on the 23 Mar 08 at 15:17
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Maybe you guys had better tune your systems a little before comparing boot times and make sure your hardware is working properly, because I had an issue mounting my Windows partition, but once that was fixed in my conf files, I was ready to go. Don't be scared of those Man files and plaaces on the Internet like Linux geek, they can really help you and all.
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DJ_Peng wrote on the 24 Mar 08 at 05:55
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As has already been said, Ubuntu is not XP. Different (and additional) things need to get done at boot so you will likely see a longer boot time in Ubuntu. You can tweak, but as of now there's not much to do to get your computer to boot faster in Ubuntu (or any Linux system AFAIK) than in XP. Sorry, you'll have to deal with it as part of life with the beloved penguin until someone finds a few more seconds to get rid of in the boot process.
@Scunizi:
Have you taken a look at System > Preferences > Sessions lately? That's where I disable things like Bluetooth and other things I don't need started on my desktop.
@Velvet Elvis:
Some of us don't have the newest hardware or tons of RAM, plus some apps don't clean up behind themselves as well as they should. Just letting Exaile or Amarok run with a bedtime playlist, plus the usual screensaver, etc., can let me wake up to see 20% of my swap space being used, and closing down my media player doesn't free it all back up. So I end up rebooting at least once a day, more often depending on what I'm running. Although my boot time isn't bad other than the hit I take when AWN loads in.
Including the autologin on my 2.2GHz Celeron with a paltry 748 MB of RAM and an Nvidia MX200 video card can be a minute to a minute and a half, although I haven't timed it in Hardy yet. It's not that long, but if I'm trying to reboot to get something done it can feel like several times that duration.
I'm giving this idea +1 in hopes that someone will identify even a half dozen seconds they can save for those of us with older hardware.
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scavenger wrote on the 25 Mar 08 at 08:59
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I got Ubuntu Gutsy/Windows Vista dualboot on my laptop. Vista is _terrible_ e.g. i'm sure it's doing something very important for say 2 minutes but can't figure out what. My Gutsy boot times are good, but i'll try doing Sys > Pref > Sess and Compiz or even fazter boots.
Hibernate and suspend work on my machine, tho, but it loses wireless sometimes.
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CHRI5 wrote on the 25 Mar 08 at 21:10
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Speed up the boot-time? What? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making Ubuntu faster where ever possible. But how much faster could it get really? Have you used XP or Vista? I dual-boot Ubuntu/XP and Ubuntu boots about ten times faster than Windows on the same machine. To be honest, I would wait longer to boot into Ubuntu than I would to boot XP. Ubuntu's much more worth the wait!
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barbedsaber wrote on the 9 Apr 08 at 11:27
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my boot time is about 3-4 minutes, but HEAPS of that is loading GNOME.
this is something that must be addressed.
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Adrian Godoy wrote on the 13 Apr 08 at 20:42
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Yes please!!! Speed up boot.
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revelation wrote on the 17 Apr 08 at 07:20
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My boot time takes forever I am on a Laptop with loads of memory decent processor
The importance for boot times is obvious production and believe it or not traveling.
When you travel to Canada or America customs always ask you to boot your laptop.You can imagine your there waiting for this blasted OS to load. After a 7 or more hour flight to wait an extra 3 minutes is just to much. The customs officials are not to patience either.
So you can see and understand this is very important to improve.
I really enjoy ubuntu there is loads of good things but I am hoping Hardy takes Ubuntu to the next level. Boot times hopefully will improve in the next release.
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zsolt320i wrote on the 27 Apr 08 at 21:47
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It's horrible the Hardy Heron boot time!
Beside of very long booting time i always get blue tooth failure message at booting.
I do not understand why is such unnecessary softwares is in the automatic install in Ubuntu.
The second thing i took a short look in the synaptic, i checked the videocard drivers, and i observed that there are installed the driver for all kind of video cards!
Why???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is not made ubuntu in a such way that at the beginning of install would recognize all the hardwares and there would be installed drivers just for the hardware what you have on the PC.
The second thing it would be the best if i could chose what software i want to install and what not, for example i don't like rhytmbox, totem, etc etc and i don't want that these programs are installed automatically, so i would not mark to be installed, and instead of these (later when ubuntu would be installed from the net) i would install audacious and smplayer.
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