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tvma
wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 14:02
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This is a great idea actually. I would be on board for this. I think this is a great way for non technical people who don't know how to contribute their time in development, to be able to contribute financially as they can to help with development efforts.
I'd subscribe to a monthly contribution. I send money to political campaigns, I'd do the same for Open Source software.
-jchase
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its good to note i want to call for contribution,but
why did you say cheap?
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This is funny because recently I looked into investing into Canonical to quickly realize it is impossible since it is not a public company.
If donations/investments were made easier, I think it could speed things up.
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Anything that adds a new way of contributing to Ubuntu has to be a good idea.
Presumably there are licensing issues, but I'm sure they can be resolved.
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The idea that adding cheap paid labor to Open Source will make things better is absurd. High-quality work from community members who care enough to donate their own time has got us where we are today, and that is being supplimented by paid jobs for work that is difficult or tedious, such as compatibility and QA. We do not want a legion of monkey coders pumping new code into projects. That's just not what we need.
There are already many venues for donating to FOSS projects which contribute to Ubuntu. Make a donation to the Free Software Foundation, or Mozilla, or Apaache, or KDE, or one of the hundreds of others that need your support.
Or, donate to the Electronic Frontier Foundation or the Software Freedom Law Center, who work hard to fight for your rights and protect software from tyrants and robber barons.
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That being said, a fund to help Chinese or Indian programmers become contributors to Open Source, utilize it in their businesses, and so on would be excellent. However, that's not the idea you posted.
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Actually, the idea is to be able to give money to Ubuntu, not to bring in contract programmers.
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deejross
wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 14:53
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After reading this and reading RyanPrior's comments, I agree on the cheap labor aspect (it's bad). I do, however, think giving the job to an active member of the community would be better than some random programmer who only cares about getting paid.
The other way to spin this is that, as Ryan said, there are many projects that accept donations. So, having a site dedicated to accepting donations for projects used in Ubuntu and then having Canonical distribute those donations to the projects.
Or, even more simple, have a page that links to the projects' donation buttons that users can easily pick and choose which projects they want to donate to.
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I'm actually really shocked if Canonical/Ubuntu don't already offer this. If they don't then they are crazy!
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I would love to give away some dollars as donation for the great work going on in Canonical. May be this money will help get some fine tuning to the greatest social-os in the history of humanity. But I am an Indian adn using cheap word for we people is not "ubuntu" thinking ...
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While I think the cheap labor idea is incorrect, the person was just putting out an idea.
His main idea is valid. While Canonical is well funded, Open source people being paid for their work (see Google, Sun, etc) can be effective.
Some people have mentioned bounties, which I think is an idea against the community work (who gets the bounty, when it is built on tons of other work), but a fund to help projects that contribute to ubuntu would be a good idea.
I think it should be a fund that is separate from Ubuntu proper, but that has tallies and shows where the money is going.
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dino99
wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 16:45
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LOL
it's time to close the story !!!
don't kill the hen by eating eggs !!!
don' t you know about Canonical ?
If some of you have too much money, well, i can help you !!!
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Alan Pope
(Ubuntu developer)
wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 17:35
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If you want to help financially, then you could always buy stuff from the Canonical Store.
http://shop.canonical.com/
:)
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Lee
wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 18:10
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You do realise that canonical is a commercial company, right? If you want to volunteer effort/funds/whatever, give them to debian, which is the true non-profit that put all the hard work in and made ubuntu what it is.
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alvevind
wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 18:50
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I second that last comment.
By helping Debian you are also helping Ubuntu, since Ubuntu for a great part builds upon the groundwork Debian does.
There are quite a few not-for-profit projects you could support that indirectly would help Ubuntu since their work is included in Ubuntu (and other OS).
I am not saying Cannonical is not worthy of money support, only that your money probably will help the open source community as a whole even better by going to the idealists that work not for profit.
Cannonical will surely be making big bucks in a few years anyway. If what you want is to be a stock market actor investing in Cannonical and earn big bucks, just wait a few years and you will get your chance.
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Well great seeing all this good comments!
One thing about cheep labour: I DID NOT SAY THAT, I SAID LOW COST!
I currently live in China, and my wage is about 10 times lower right compared to my european country since the factor costs are so much lower. And do you know what: that´s OK!
With low cost, lower salaries are ok. The important thing is buying power, and they are fast coming towards the west beeing proud over it.
If you ever heard of giving more than market salaries to anyone (belive me computer programers in india and china are doing great - since they are great!), please let me know.
Would it not be great to get them into developing Ubuntu for cash?
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popi
wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 22:17
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why not a gnome ubuntu appelet with advertising in repositories (disabeled by default)
wich could be enabled by persons who want to contribute finacialy without necesarly use their money...
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"What about adding 500 chinese or indian low cost developers to the mission? Ill pay."
That's borderline exploitative and racist.
Even with lower wages, why would be ok to outsource work paying the workers the local wages?
If the monthly wage in China is one third of the US monthly incom, why don't make three times happier a chinese guy?
;-)
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jander99
wrote on the 11 Mar 08 at 06:24
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Canonical could set up an Ubuntu Foundation, if one does not already exist, and use the funds raised through it to help finance some of the core technologies behind Ubuntu, Debian, and Linux as a whole. Voting up.
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ariendj
wrote on the 11 Mar 08 at 09:35
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Let's not think like this. Let's just forget about terms like buying "cheap labour" and buying "human resources". Leave the fascism at home.
Ubuntu is the opposite of dehumanisation. Let's keep it that way. Otherwise, next thing you know you'll have posts like "will donate my slave to programm FOSS". Not cool.
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Madsrh
wrote on the 11 Mar 08 at 09:55
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We all want to see Ubuntu grow and the idea of hiring programmers that would get payed, for example to fix ALL bugs, is intriguing!
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celiz
wrote on the 11 Mar 08 at 14:43
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There are already many it-companies out there (even working with linux) whom from you can buy stocks. you can buy p.ex. novell.
I'd be sad if i'd have to see canonical/ubuntu slowly mutating into a maximised-profit-corporation, further more, selling stocks of a company makes it vulnerable to enemy-overtake.
It doesn't mean i don't would want to see canonical and ubuntu flourish, but as we say in german; who says A must also say B.
But an non-benefit organisation for the community would perhaps be a good idea (I dont know the structure of canonical good enough, perhaps such an institution already exists, ...who knows)
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Auzy
wrote on the 11 Jun 08 at 06:57
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I agree, I cant donate to Ubuntu directly. We should be donating to the upstream developers who make Ubuntu possible or debian.
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I would personally like to invest a significant amount more than 100$ in Canonical. OK, its a risk, but its a risk I (we) Believe in and better than investing in Sub Prime like all the banks did. It is (I believe) comparatively ethical, i.e. Not an arms company, terrorist organisation or Apple. Banks are not what they used to be, come on Mark, open it up for others we wholeheartedly support what you are doing, let us prove it how we can!
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