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Idea #3908: Option to update during install

bug This idea was marked as implemented the 9 July 11. Available starting Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala.
Written by sci-fi guy the 8 Mar 08 at 19:00. Category: Installation. Related project: Nothing/Others. Status: Implemented
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There should be an option to install newer packages rather than the outdated ones on disc during system installation. Doesn't Debian already have this?
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Written by sci-fi guy the 8 Mar 08 at 19:00.
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sf_007 wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 19:08
I think it is a very good idea...

amlucent23 wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 21:15
3 words. Network Install CD.

grantek wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 22:52
You can't exactly do that with a livecd install, and there's no harm in installing a properly working system from CD, then immediately checking for updates.

sirkubador wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 08:49
Great idea, I really miss it.

sourcejedi wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 14:18
grantek: That's not an acceptable solution for security updates. Not if we want to solve Ubuntu bug #1: Microsoft has a majority market share.

It's possible to install windows and get hacked before you have time to download all the updates. Pushing update downloads as early in the install process as possible would generally be a good idea.

In theory you can't eliminate the window of vulnerability, particularly if you're installing from a LiveCD which is already running a full system, but it should definitely be kept as short as possible.

Estesark wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 14:36
I don't know about Debian, but openSUSE certainly offers to check for important updates during installation, providing you've got a working internet connection.

iDevin wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 15:05
While I like this idea it could have the negative effect of a new user saying "of course I want updates!" and clicking it then complaining when it takes 4-5 hours to download and install everything. If this idea is implemented, it should be made very clear to the user that this will add considerable time to the installation of the OS. It should also allow the user to stop the updates (if they're going slowly for instance) and proceed with the install using packages from the CD, perhaps resulting in a hybrid install of the packages that were already updated, and the remaining packages from the CD.

jakeg wrote on the 9 Mar 08 at 18:45
Far better is when I download a Ubuntu CD image that that image already has all the latest updates rolled into it. I can't believe this isn't always done anyway - it just sounds like common sense to me.

Say for example I want to install on 10 different computers, this greatly reduces the amount I have to download - just 700 odd MB rather than 700MB plus 10 x 100-300MB of updates.

jorgejhms wrote on the 10 Mar 08 at 05:34
I think the user should have the choice to decide if he/she want the update or not. And this update during the install should be only the more "critical" security updates. I think the idea is to get the more secure install that is posible.

tgstte2 wrote on the 17 Mar 08 at 03:09
This is already in place. After installation, the system will check for updates automatically.

txtfile wrote on the 22 Mar 08 at 02:59
this is called network-install

scrondo wrote on the 25 Sep 08 at 21:02
+1

but I strongly agree with iDevin (9 Mar 08 at 15:05): "If this idea is implemented, it should be made very clear to the user that this will add considerable time to the installation of the OS. It should also allow the user to stop the updates (if they're going slowly for instance) and proceed with the install using packages from the CD"

scrondo wrote on the 25 Sep 08 at 21:03
+1

but I strongly agree with iDevin (9 Mar 08 at 15:05): "If this idea is implemented, it should be made very clear to the user that this will add considerable time to the installation of the OS. It should also allow the user to stop the updates (if they're going slowly for instance) and proceed with the install using packages from the CD"

scrondo wrote on the 25 Sep 08 at 21:06
(the repetition is due to technical problems, sorry!) :-)

cancuen wrote on the 12 Oct 08 at 07:04
iDevin is right. I was installing a Kubuntu once on a new computer, and it took a lot more that other times; then there was I waiting when I realize that it was downloading language packs (for spanish), updates, and everything. Maybe a scheduled download for packages will be ok, or finish installing and then ask if now or next login woluld be a good time to update...


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