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when new users view the contents stored on the whole of the hard drive they get confused seeing folders with names like
Var, Srv etc. instead why not contain folders for each items
e.g folder saying system files for non removeable files which are part of the system and software files for all the software installed on the system finally user files for listings of user places like Pictures, Music etc and put into their own username for the system.
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XSP wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 00:41
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Because that isn't how Linux works. This isn't Windows. Stop trying to make it Windows. New users should just use Windows if they want it to be like it. I'm not trying to be a buzzkill on ideas, I just think that Linux a user should adapt to Linux, not the other way around.
It's a completely different world.
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great idea wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 01:09
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If we want people to populate planet linux, we better make it nicer, more user-friendly, more intuitive,... than all the other worlds out there.
I don't see how meaningless abbreviations help to reach that goal.
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Auzy wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 01:10
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I agree with this.
The only way you would know where stuff is generally stored is a lot of experience. If we changed /etc to /config though, people would not have to ask at all
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xiota wrote on the 7 Mar 08 at 01:42
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What's the point of making a change that would break all compatibility with other distributions? Then Ubuntu users wouldn't be able to use other distributions, and users of other distributions wouldn't be able to use Ubuntu.
Most of the directories this idea proposes changing are managed by the package manager. Others make no sense. Folders like "Pictures", "Music", etc belong in $HOME, where users are free to create whatever directories they want. New users shouldn't mess with files outside of $HOME without doing some reading first.
I don't think the current scheme is perfect, but it works well enough. Gradual changes over a long period of time are okay.
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peterjs wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 10:48
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I'll issue you the same challenge I do every one that purposes this. You want to change the structure, you can but:
1) You need to provide a clear migration plan
2) An on going plan for managing package incompatibility
3) A technical replacement for $PATH and $LD_PATH that doesn't involve symlinks and root kits.
4) A plan to keep supporting us old school curmudgeons that want nothing to do with your changes
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shovelhead wrote on the 11 Mar 08 at 15:50
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Yeah, I think that's stupid. If you want to run through windows directories - get windows.
This is GNU/Linux.
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jespdj wrote on the 19 Mar 08 at 12:48
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A big part of the filesystem structure (such as the /etc, /usr, /home, /var directories and more) in Ubuntu and other Linux distros is inherited from the Unix-ancestry of Linux. The same directory structure has existed in almost every Unix variant since the 1970's.
Changing it would make Ubuntu radically different from other Unix-like operating systems, and that would make it much more difficult to port many applications to Ubuntu.
It would also make the system look very foreign and strange to people who are used to Unix and other Unix-like OSes.
As a normal, non-technical user, you don't have to deal with all those directories anyway.
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solar.george wrote on the 26 Mar 08 at 17:19
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If you don't want to learn about the file system hierarchy them don't leave /home/username
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yaroman86 wrote on the 12 Jun 08 at 03:37
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Uh... lets NOT change the hierarchy. One of the biggest reasons Windows fails so much is because just about anything can go anywhere on its horrid file system.
Every time I see someone say something, anywhere on Brainstorm or ANYWHERE where an idiot suggests Linux should be more like Windows simple shows to me that the person really isn't/wasn't ready to leave Windows for Linux.
Frankly, the way the file system is layed out in Linux is excellent. Just take 5 minutes to realize what it all means. You don't want your files cluttering anything outside of your home directory, trust me.
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Auzy wrote on the 12 Jun 08 at 04:45
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The best way of dealing with this is an extension of the XDG Base Directory standard:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9343/
People should be able to rename directories, and restructure it as they wish. Full compliance with this idea would allow it, whilst also allowing older users to maintain the old directory names.
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"One of the biggest reasons Windows fails so much is because just about anything can go anywhere on its horrid file system."
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Don't jump on the windows hating bandwagon without having a real argument, it wont win brownie points. Last I checked, People instantly know where their files are in a windows hierarchy. So this is a lame argument. If anything, Microsoft's binary registry lets it down (but that has nothing to do with this).
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Frankly, the way the file system is layed out in Linux is excellent. Just take 5 minutes to realize what it all means. You don't want your files cluttering anything outside of your home directory, trust me.
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Our file layout has some severe issues, and we are working around them with hacks (like dumping everything in /usr/lib/firefox which doesn't match your picture of an ideal layout). Are you so arrogant that you cant see that? Trust me, you are.
Yes. If by 5 minutes you mean 50 minutes (because as a new user you forget 3 hours later), then sure. You don't remember things straight away.
Furthermore, If I want to see all the files related to Linux solitaire for instance, I cant, because they are all intertwined with dozens of other files.
If we even named the directories like:
etc -> settings
bin -> Programs (currently it suggests trash)
lib -> shared libraries
man -> Manuals
Everything would be immediately obvious. No reading needed.
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Every time I see someone say something, anywhere on Brainstorm or ANYWHERE where an idiot suggests Linux should be more like Windows simple shows to me that the person really isn't/wasn't ready to leave Windows for Linux.
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You mean everytime you see anything that windows has done, you panic, because you are worried that when things are immediately obvious to users, they will no longer need to hire you?
Give me a break. Your whole argument is:
Windows sucks, therefore changing the linux filesystem is stupid.
Linux can be user friendly and powerful. Its all about keeping things modular and flexible. The idea I have posted above does that! And everyone wins still.
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Auzy wrote on the 12 Jun 08 at 04:55
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I'll also add that my idea is unique too. So it has nothign to do with other platforms
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