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Ubuntu has become arguably the most popular linux distribution. I think its time for Ubuntu developers to set aside some internal resources to push Ubuntu ahead of the pack.
We should form a dedicated team responsible for the development of "nex-gen" ideas. Currently most linux distros just mimic ideas found on Mac or Windows (compiz, menubars, themes, networking, etc.). There really aren't any "innovative" idea for linux, in the strictest sense of the term. Assemble a team that is dedicated to developing NEW ideas. I realize that Ubuntu would rather go the "tried and tested" route, but I think we should leave some room open for bleeding edge innovations (some of which can be found right here on brainstorm!)
It could even be made into a contest, where people could submit their own NEW ideas. Keep the Ubuntu circle in the cutting edge. Possibily a prize, recognition, etc.
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zoubidoo wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 01:27
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I like the basic idea but am not too keen on there being just one team.
How about an annual prize for the greatest innovation for a next-gen ubuntu. The competition is open to anyone, individuals or teams. Submissions are a mock-up or basic prototype. Prize is to encourage something radical (not bug fixing, not feature creep).
It worked for Ansari's X-prize...
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kernel_script wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 02:31
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Bad idea. Nothing is created, not by human, everything is transformation. The "Innovative" term means the ability that you have to create something "new" based on the knowledge that you already have, the influences that you have at your surroundings.
"There really aren't any "innovative" idea for linux, in the strictest sense of the term."
MAC Leopard now have Stacks (old good Linux "
Drawer" function, with a more bling-bling style), and 4 Workspaces (Linux? Anyone?) And what Windows™ Aero is? Not "innovation"...
The Next-Gen idea is great, but develops it with "Linux is just others OS copy" is really bad and a misunderstood lie.
If you change your mind i'll give you a vote up.
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kernel_script wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 02:48
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Sorry, i dinin't mean "lie", i wanted mean "concept":
"The Next-Gen idea is great, but develops it with "Linux is just others OS copy" is really bad and a misunderstood concept."
Sorry, i expressed it wrongly. My English is not perfect X^D
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spyyder wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 04:36
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@kernel_script
No new ideas are ever created by the open source community. There is no misunderstanding. Icons, GUI, interface, mouse, tab browsing, desktop effect all originated from for-profit companies. There is very little the linux community can call their own. VERY LITTLE. The idea here is to create a set of ideas and innovations that Ubuntu/GNU can call their own. Not sure how I can be any more clear????
I am looking for BIG IDEAS to start on linux.
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Marchombre wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 13:00
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I agree with you spyyder. It would be great if Ubuntu had a team to develop some totally new ideas, instead of always copying everything.
Of course I exagerate, but linux isn't Windows or Mac, so creating a "linux style" that would be wonderful.
Too bad I can barely explain what I'm thinking about, because I'm french and we are famous for our English Mastery.
.. Mhh how to say it ? Something more adapted to the linuw way of thiking, why not more ergonomic, whit a better design, well to sum up, ideas to transform Ubuntu in something original,really unique.
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zoubidoo wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 14:18
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The kind of things that I'd imagine as big innovations:
- try out a new kernel architecture (e.g. microkernel)
- complete reorganisatiion of the file sytem
- replace user/groups with a new permission model
- tranparent parallel/distributed computing
These are things that are not evolutionary but revolutionary. We should encourage *trying out* new OS concepts, even if they can't be incorporated without big changes. These new concepts will contribute to a long-term roadmap for linux.
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Cryophallion wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 14:53
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Um, isn't Brainstorm basically what you are looking for? People are suggesting both kinds of ideas here, and they are being looked at by devs. Plus, since people can vote on what ideas they think are best, the truly good ideas should rise to the top, and the ideas will get the attention they deserve by being so popular among the people that use it.
So, if everyone here really likes an idea, I'm sure someone will try it, and we'll see if it works.
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Cryophallion wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 14:55
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P.S. - The only prize I will ever need is that my prefered OS is trying to innovate and make the best possible user experience. Just being able to tell people the cool things we can do that they can't (being stuck on Windows for example) is more than enough for me. Plus, a prize could be contentious, as different people think different things are the best and most brilliant.
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kernel_script wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 17:03
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Ok spyyder, i really don't agree with you. I don't see what you propose is true, but is your right to put your idea, that's the idea of freedom.
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neon wrote on the 14 Mar 08 at 02:44
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Just look at the Topaz Brainstorms on gnome-look. there's some really astounding concepts there. x]
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mikesa81 wrote on the 26 Mar 08 at 04:36
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@spyyder
saying things like this:
"No new ideas are ever created by the open source community. There is no misunderstanding. Icons, GUI, interface, mouse, tab browsing, desktop effect all originated from for-profit companies. There is very little the linux community can call their own. VERY LITTLE. The idea here is to create a set of ideas and innovations that Ubuntu/GNU can call their own. Not sure how I can be any more clear????
I am looking for BIG IDEAS to start on linux."
make you look childish.
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Warbo wrote on the 24 May 08 at 03:49
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Aside from saying that there's no innovation in Open Source (which is just wrong), and saying that only for-profit companies have made innovations (which is silly considering that Open Source software is worked on by many different for-profit companies, and Canonical is one anyway making the point of the idea go murky) I think Ubuntu is exactly the WRONG place to go crazy with "next-gen" stuff.
Ubuntu is meant to work, and its big strength lies in not being noticed by the user. Replacing parts of the OS and desktop to try out experiments is bad news here, and is best saved for distributions specifically made to test those ideas (maybe Ubuntu-based). Take a look at SymphonyOne, Enlightenment DR17 or Etoile, these are experimental, pushing in different directions and have Ubuntu-derived distros.
To zoubidoo:
- try out a new kernel architecture (e.g. microkernel); this sounds interesting to me, but keep in mind that OSX is a microkernel-based BSD so it's not so "innovative".
- complete reorganisatiion of the file sytem; seems unneeded to me. It works perfectly well and follows standards.
- replace user/groups with a new permission model; and throw out one of the best features of Ubuntu?
- tranparent parallel/distributed computing; interesting (sounds a bit QNX-like)
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zoubidoo wrote on the 1 Jul 08 at 14:52
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@Warbo:
My suggestions were just meant as examples of "big" ideas.
Remember that unix was created in the 1970s and linux borrows heavily from unix. Academics have been working on operating system theory for some 30-40 years since then. So we should be looking to see if there aren't new ideas is OS theory that could be introduced. (Actually, I'm pretty sure some ideas have already found their way into linux).
Just copying features from commercial operating systems is not exactly visionary is it.
And saying things are fine as they are: very bad for innovation! It's good to try new things and a prize will encourage people to try.
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notyetroot wrote on the 10 Aug 08 at 18:49
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Interesting idea....
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