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We are catching up on usability in the Linux community, but we still have not reached the level of polish of Windows or Mac. Fonts, Icons, Menus, Color Schemes, Themes, Buttons, Tabs etc. are not friendly. Apple publishes a "Human Interface Guidelines" that dictate how a user should interact with a computer. Why doesn't Ubuntu get in touch with some psychologists and designers and develop a common interface approach, one that is different from Gnome or KDE, but still based on them. It would be nice for Ubuntu to have an "exclusive" font, or an "exclusive" menu system.
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XSP wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 23:53
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Polish is useless to me. I want a simple clean interface that is non-intrusive and quick. Gnome gives me that. If you want shiny windows, grab KDE4. If you want better Icons, colour schemes themes, etc... go download them.
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spyyder wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 00:11
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@XSP
See, this is the attitude that make linux user look to foolish. You want people to use linux, but you don't want ot provide an interface that is clean and appealing. Linux interfaces are not clean, uniform, and comply to any common interface standards, which was the point of the suggestion. You look at the success of firefox, you think it might have something to do with the fact that its interface mimics IE in its early release. Please stop with this stuborn attitude of telling people to download something if they don't like it. I want it to work out of the box.
INTERFACE GUIDELINES!
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Ssdg wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 00:56
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spyyder, do you know what's the problem of mac? it takes like a year to get Java V6 on it, or any interesting program. why? because apple want to rewrite all the user interface. It cost a lot of time to developpers. The other problem is, when yhou use linux, it's all about choices, some people (like me) uses some Gnome apps, KDE apps,... of course it's a shame that KDE apps are slower to start because I use gnome and KDE libs are not present in memory, of course it's not "well integrated" but I never tried to keep the same look everywere, I tried to do stuff.
Try to uniformise desktop managers and lots of people will hate you, why? because some peoples look for shiny (like KDE4+ compiz), usable and customisable (let's say, GNOME), or fast and lightweight (icewm, enlightment, XFCE,...) it's all about what you need, what you are looking for, etc... and of course it will be wonderfull if programmers maked an interface per window manager, but it's impossible, it will be to long and cost to many time.
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Auzy wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 01:43
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Actually SSdg, Apple's problem with Java is totally unrelated..
Apple maintain java and they are lazy (they want to push cocoa more). Its been a year and a few months now since the new java was announced.
Apple's issue stems from the fact they have their own agenda to push, and if they can get away with it, they will push things away in a quiet corner
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Auzy wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 01:43
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+1.. His right, some areas do need a bit of polish, and more integration work is required
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6205 wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 07:38
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For me is polished, consistant GUI extremely important. Because it shows me that also small details are important to developers and they have fixed also not so important things and details...
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/GutsyIconReview
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skadge wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 15:18
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...GNOME Human Interface Guideline:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/
But I agree, we probably need more polish (notice, although, the integration of SVG-based "Murrine" in the 8.04 alpha 6).
Well...It's a pity, but polishing is not considered as a very "interesting" job for most dev...
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alvevind wrote on the 13 Mar 08 at 23:45
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Polish is important. It does not mean glossy or shiny. It means getting all the small details just right and not settle for the "it's OK I guess" look. It should not mimic the competition (Win/Mac) but learn from the things that they do that gives them an edge.
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Lazymonkey44 wrote on the 6 Apr 08 at 12:22
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If ubuntu is going to get into the mainstream, it needs some polish!! So i agree! +1
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sf_007 wrote on the 8 Apr 08 at 02:02
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It's like alvevind said, it's about creating a "smooth" experience, especially when booting and shutting down (or to be more precise: everything that happens when the user is not logged in)... it still needs more polish in there...
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glotz wrote on the 8 Apr 08 at 19:58
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I think Ubuntu needs more german and austrian and less polish.
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DanRabbit wrote on the 10 Apr 08 at 03:29
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I'm going to have to vote this way up.
why can't Ubuntu look good?
Why can't it be a finely tuned machine?
Vote this down, and you're voting away progress.
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gabtrat wrote on the 1 May 08 at 11:28
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Definately!
A set standard of "Interface Guidelines" is what we need to make certain everything is as consistent and intuitive as possible.
I think this would get more votes if the title was "Create set Interface Guidelines" instead of being about polish.
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Warbo wrote on the 24 May 08 at 03:59
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Interface guidelines have been written for GNOME and KDE. If an application isn't following them then file a bug against that application. If the interface guidelines need changing then file a bug against the interface guidelines.
Ubuntu should *NOT* have its own guidelines. I can't stress that enough. If Ubuntu had its own then:
1) EVERY application would need to be rewritten by the Ubuntu developers every time upstream made a new version.
2) Upstream projects, and thus the entire of the rest of the Free world, wouldn't benefit from the improvements (and if they're not improvements then why bother doing it at all?)
3) Keeping such changed software Ubuntu-only would be impossible because the whole point of Free Software is that others can take the code that Ubuntu releases and use it themselves.
These points essentially mean you are advocating that Ubuntu and Canonical fork every single piece of software in Debian (Debian has over 20,000 packages) which has a GUI and maintain it separately, merely because of not wanting to file bugs about some hand-wavey lack of "polish" that hasn't even been defined!
As for Ubuntu-exclusive anything, see point 3.
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nitrofurano wrote on the 5 Sep 08 at 10:58
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Gnome has human-interface-guidelines documentations, i think very inspired from the Apple ones, but more focused on Gnome issues. HIG is a very important document! =)
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