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Idea #3162: Calling for The Next Linux Multi- Media Application Suite by Canonical



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Written by amoore the 4 Mar 08 at 19:57. Category: Multimedia.
Related to: Nothing/Others. Status: New
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Everyone is familiar with Open Office’s office suite or Firefox/Mozzilla’s internet suite of Firefox and Thunderbird. Both suites have found homes in Linux and are a staple in many Linux distros.(IMHO) These two application suites have made Linux a viable OS in desktop computing. Yes, I do know other alternatives to OOO and FF are available and, competition is a good thing.

The time has now come for a multi-media Application Suite for the OSS community. Lets face it, Linux lacks many of the creative and multi-media tools that it needs to be a real desktop OS. Many new users to Ubuntu/ Linux just need a simple way to edit video, audio and pics. I know that many apps already exist for these needs but, most of these apps fall short and do not integrate with one another(IMHO).

Is there a really solid OSS video editor for the home video enthusiast? This is what I see with many OSS video editors: Cinelerra is overkill and it lacks the ability to capture DV video. Kino and Diva are just to basic. Pitivi just combines clips, Kdenlive is still very buggy (in beta) also, getting firewire to work is also a real pain for video editing applications too.

A simple to use video editor is much needed in the home user Ubuntu/ Linux desktop. While were talking about video Apps how about integrating a video editor with a separate DVD Video creation app? Is this starting to sound like iMovie and iDVD?

Image editing in Linux needs work too, Gimp is OK for simple editing but should combine a photo manager and needs some work with some of the core tools and its UI to make it easer for the home user. Once more, the Image app should be able to work with the video editing and DVD creation software.

If these apps were created and worked well, a natural side effect could be a push in the use of free or open source formats for media such as ogg. Having a multimedia application suite for creation that pushes open media formats such as OGG would be huge!

So the BIG question is how do you make money off developing this Application suite? Easy, all of these apps create multimedia files that either have hard copy equivalents or can be uploaded to sharing sites like youtube or flicker.

The video that the video editor app makes could have an option to upload the video to youtube, break, metacfe, or any other video sharing site. This option would be put out to bid for the sharing sites to bid on for the upload option to be the defalut with their site.

Firefox did this with the default home page set to Google. Google pays Fire fox almost 40 million dollars a year for its spot as the home page default in Fire fox. By setting a default upload to a sharing site this will drive visitors to that site. Which is why companies like youtube, break, metacfe, or other video sharing sites would bid for the spot to be the default upload.

This same feature could be done with the audio editor with any podcast hosting service for audio files. Once more, this could be done with pictures and picture sharing sites like Flickr and Picasa. From the picture sharing sites prints could be ordered too.

I see this type of application suite be critical for Ubuntu/ Linux. Most of the code for a suite like this already exist and the code could be used if it’s licensed under the GPL. It would be great if Ubuntu or Canonical would create this application suite with a community driven approach, using free non- proprietary formats, giving a continuous look and feel between all of the apps and organize development for the suite this would take Ubuntu and Linux to the next level.

Both M$ and Apple developed application suites for their OS it is time for Canonical to do the same.

Linux has conquered the server market, the key to the home desktop market is Multimedia.
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pornographer wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 20:22
You may want to check out http://ubuntustudio.org/

This is a media studio version of Ubuntu including kernel tweaks to allow for pro-quality audio mixing etc.

neon wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 22:04
AMEN BROTHA! xD

and pornoman, ubuntu studio comes with all the programs he just criticized. Duh. >_>

Gimp has a lot of great features, so I think Photo editing is taken care of. Like you said it just needs some UI work and some simplification.

Auzy wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 00:00
I agree. Even microsoft is starting to get together a lot of editing tools and get them integrated.

And Apple uses ilife as their main selling point (in fact, its pretty much their only one to people). In fact, Apple's main sales line regarding mac's these days seems to be "Apple's are much easier to use, better for multimedia, and the tools ARE MUCH BETTER INTEGRATED WITH ONE ANOTHER".

We can beat that. This is important. The suite should contain at least:
- Photo management
- Movie editing
- DVD editing
- Basic music editing
- Basic website creation
- Music playback.
- Photo editing


If we get something in place that is as good as ilife, in one good clean swipe, we would have stolen Apple's primary sales pitch. And, we'd have the advantage of running on peoples existing PC's

apogee wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 10:49
As I see it there are different types of users:
- guru's the likes of Linus etc.
- power-developers; security specialists etc.
- sys admins; programmers
- geeks; purists; rebels; hackers etc.
- power-users; experimenters
- above-average; aware users (e.g media industries)
- gamers; entertainment
- average users
- newbies and those users who have been using computers for years and can still not grasp the relatively simple idea of a megabyte.

(list not official, just my opinion, and opinions are subject to change :-)

Most of the world's computer users exist in the last two categories on that list.

I see those that are currently using Linux today are the "power users / experimenters" and above. Yes there are average users using Linux, but I don't believe they constitute the majority of Linux users. I do believe the majority are those power users and above.

Q: Who do we need to target?
A: Those in between the masses and ourselves:
We need to target the gamers and the media industry.

They are key to bringing more users to Linux.

Since I am not a gamer, and know nothing of it, I will not comment, however I am a department manager in an AD Agency so I am fit to comment on the media industry:

I believe that if UbuntuStudio was more geared to deliver a through-the-line integrated solution to the media industries, then that would attracted the "above-average; aware users" and they will sing the required praises. It is unavoidable.

I agree with all the items on Auzy's list above, but we need more professional apps to cater for ALL users in the media industry, not just the web, video and sound guys, there's design; layout; publishing; DTP; 3D; animation etc.

Inkscape and Blender are kick-ass, but they still need work.

As much as the Gimp clan are going to cry fowl, Gimp is still very far off from being useful in the professional world.

Scribus has been described as such: "it sucks so hard, each time I sit in front of it, my forehead hits the screen."

And I can comment on the Nvu/Komposer Bluefish stable of apps and mention colour pickers, CSS editors, code validators, FTP apps etc. etc. etc.

But they all lack integration.

If all these apps, as targeted and uniquely tailored to their tasks as they may be, were integrated and worked cohesively together, through-the-line (from concept through design, storyboard & layout, through implementation and production and post-production) then we will have something to lure the power user, and those who actually have a concept of what a good OS is. As it stands most of those users are intesely loyal to their Macs, but there are many many more in the same industries who are just as loyal to their PCs, because they have nothing else viable enough to be loyal to.

Let's give them something viable to be loyal to.


Agony wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 14:13
I can't help but think that this is a good idea that will need years of implementation.

Okay guys the idea is sound, nay let's say it's perfect. How are people gonna work on this?

IIRC Apple's applications integrate so well because they are all based on the same framework. Are the Ubuntu devs(or any devs) going to create a framework, then rebuild all existing applications to work with it?

As much as it hurts me to say this... I don't see that happening anytime soon. It might be easier to get devs to do this through the Cinellera-cv crowd, they are already working on a kick-ass media program(video is the highest form of computer media apart from 3d IMO, and 3d still has to be rendered to video) and could most likely work on a framework that would allow integration between media programs.

Unix integrates easily because everthing used to be a file, input/output were usually just text or machine code(executables and such) but in media there are just too many ways to handle the data, and everybody is reimplementing the wheel.

UBfusion wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 15:15
I think that it is impossible for a single computer to play all the roles e.g. be both a simple desktop and a high-end non-linear video workstation. I understand that a beginner to computers tends to install all the applications he can lay his hands on, and in the case of Ubuntu with its immense repository, this can easily lead to a monster PC. Whenever I attempted this on Windows, I ended up with a sluggish and unusable system that I had to reformat because uninstalling everything doesn't work as expected. Presently I try new programs only on a virtual machine or in a sandbox.

Therefore I agree with the idea of having different distributions with different tasks. Ubuntustudio is the distro for multimedia work. Later on, a GamingUbuntu could emerge, 3DUbubtu for extensive modelling and DTPUbuntu for a colour managed pro printing workflow.

Whether a default installation should mix novice and professional tools is a huge issue. Instead of arguing endlessly on what the ideal set of default apps should be, I think we should leave the experts create dedicated distributions for each field.

Regarding the integration of productive tools (like the iSuite) it has a good point: it allows novices to play with all the tools and build self-confidence, by allowing them to produce working mini-products (small movies, mini calendars, galleries etc). Implementing such a default suite on Ubuntu would have the same advantages, but I'm afraid it would require a LOT of work and endless brainstorming.

tromboneman wrote on the 15 Mar 08 at 20:49
I think this has to be one of the greatest ideas on this site. The only problem is it is one of the most difficult to implement ones as well. Many of the apps mentioned use different frameworks, have different goals, and different development styles.

neomenlo wrote on the 25 Mar 08 at 22:16
I can agree that the multimedia editing applications need work, but why does canonical have to make it?

The current ones aren't BAD, they're just under developed.

In my opinion, the problem with the video editing ones is that there are too many of them.
The GIMP has almost become the one and only image editor, but there is nothing like that for video editors.

Primož Papič wrote on the 3 May 08 at 20:18
This is one of best ideas here.
This would bring Linux on totally new level.

babis79 wrote on the 8 May 08 at 10:26
Totally agree with that idea. An BIG +1 ...

We just need developers for that task :)

I'm in! Contact me at C.Emmanouilidis at yahoo.de

Tree MendUs wrote on the 19 Jul 08 at 05:26
- multitrack audio mixers
- video sutitlers (transcribers)
- multimedia production planning suites
- cartoon and stopmotion animations
- 3d Modellers, virtual reality

Idea:
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All simple to use software would be easy to make, if the complex software had a "novice mode" setting.

This could be suggested to the developers of complex programs. It would help people get going sooner.

lunarcloud wrote on the 10 Oct 08 at 12:27
Kdenlive is getting MUCH better REALLY soon.
http://www.kdenlive.org/node/19


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