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MichaLu
wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 22:18
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Better look in Windows at IrfanView for quick and easy picture editing tasks. It wood be great could it be ported to linux.
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Wow, those ones are ugly... Probably a Picasa is an interesting option here, but using GIMP is IMHO a marketing point - it's one of those mainstream Open Source apps and every user should be at least introduced to it. -1 here
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"Under MS Windows MS Paint fills this gap. Don't lough, I know a lot of people who use this program quite often."
me ;)
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I always use the argument...
If Ubuntu came with Photoshop for free as standard would many Grannies, kids, average computer users be able to use it?
No!!!!!!
Linux needs an easy to use photo editing app aimed at average users.
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maybe inkscape lite + save as png (or add additional formats) it looks nice and simple without being too childish
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I think you'd be best to just learn how to do the simple tasks you want from within gimp.
I mostly use it for image resizing and cropping. (Stuff that I did in paint when I was a windows user).
The advantage to gimp is that it's just as easy to do simple tasks, but if you want to tweak an advanced setting while you're at it, it's right there for you.
I heard that google was paying Wine to increase its interoperability with Photoshop. I think this is a good thing because it will force gimp to get even better.
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Gnome's default image app already does rotation and cropping IIRC.
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Actually, GIMP would fill this gap if it were better laid out. The current GIMP is a mess of extra windows and etc, a holdover from the early GUI days (one window good, ten windows better!) - NO. SDI is the way to go these days. Here's a tip, take a look at how LViewPro is laid out. Took me all of 10 minutes to get the basics, and it was easy to grasp the extras as I continued to use it. If there was a native linux app that was anything like LViewPro available I'd crappin' in tall cotton...
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deadowl
wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 01:30
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I think that the biggest downside to GIMP is the multi-window-interface.
Other than that, being able to do as simple of a task as drawing a line is not as obvious as in MSPaint.
However, it would be nice, I think, if the GIMP came with a tutorial.
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deadowl
wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 01:33
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I also find that layers do a terrific job at getting in the way for casual users.
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madjr
wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 03:50
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@MichaLu
gthumb already has basic picture editing (even red eye removal).
i think gthumb can replace both eye of gnome and f-spot (not many have really used gthumb since eye of gnome is the default one)
a simple paint like program for gnome would be RGBpaint or gnupaint (if the authors actually updated it). Some would say these program are too simple and are cheap copies of windows counterpart...
kolourpaint in kde is great and alot more feature rich than the ms paint (but needs lots of space for kde libraries)
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as a recent convert from m$ irfanview was very handy and lightweight. I had other programs available for image editing, but really didn't need them most of the time.
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vabue
wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 18:28
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I think that ubuntu doesn't need Gimp by default. Something like irfanview or xnview should be better.
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tioum
wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 16:25
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irfanview has features but lacks an easy interface and common shortcuts. IMHO xnview is a good model and acdsee was best.
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Chrissss
wrote on the 14 Mar 08 at 13:19
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> I think you'd be best to just learn how to do the simple tasks you want from within gimp.
Ben, i know how to use Gimp, i *love* Gimp. But what i am talking about is speed and simplicity. When i've got a really simple taks (the use cases i mentioned) Gimp ist overkill. The perfect thing would be scaled down gimp.
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A simple program that would optionally pop up after taking a screenshot, highly optimized for common screenshot editing tasks:
* Simple pen
* Marker pen with transparent colors (neon yellow, green, orange, blue)
* Text annotation
* Obfuscate/smear selection
* Eraser
* Pick up color
* Crop image to selection
* Save, load, undo, redo, cut, copy, paste, print
* Perhaps flip and rotate left/right
_no_ spray paint, stamp, brush, shapes, filter effects, layers, etc.
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Yes, I can't even draw a straight-line in GIMP.
Or have grids.
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@Chrissss
Chris, TuxPaint is a wrong option :) If you want a simpler app, just go for mtPaint.
@Eldmannen
You never read status bar hints, do you? :) It mentions Shift for drawing lines since the times when dinosaurs ruled the world ;-)
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jholman
wrote on the 8 Apr 08 at 19:15
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I strongly agree that this is needed.
And although he might not have meant it this way, I believe ben.wade's comment ("you just need to learn to use GIMP") boils down to "we don't need no stinkin' newbies". At my level of need for graphics editing, spending hours to learn an app is clearly foolish. And I've put in a few hours on GIMP, over the last year or two, and I still can't use it to do what I need, all of which is very simple. Right tool for the right job, right?
I think benefactor's feature list is a good starting point, although there's some room for feature creep upward (or arguably downward, but that's not my preference). I don't think this should be seen as screenshot-centric, although that is one major use for it.
I think that Chrissss's original 2 use-cases are very good, and I'll add two more.
"John needs some help to do certain things on Ubuntu. He takes a screenshot of a program and tries to mark his problem with a hand painted error and some text.
Mark has been on a conference trip. He want's to remember the people he met, so he pulls a group picture from his digicam and marks everyone with a name tag. "
Sue wants to sell her house, and wants to draw up a quick-and-dirty floorplan to give to potential buyers.
Kim needs to quick-and-dirty copy down the flowchart his boss scrawled on a whiteboard so he can email it to the office in Paris.
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I believe this could easily be solved. Of course I no nothing about programming, but i assume it shouldn't be that tough. Simply prepare GIMP to be used in two modes. SIMPLE and ADVANCED. By default GIMP should be installed and opened as SIMPLE. Advanced users should tick some kind of option to allow the ADVANCED tools, plugins, views, toolbars, etc. to activate.
Good luck!
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kaeso
wrote on the 25 Apr 08 at 15:30
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I agree.
When a user manipulates hundreds of photos from his digicam, he often just needs to be able to quickly make a 90° rotation, sometimes to crop a picture, and then to jump quickly to next picture.
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GaSo
wrote on the 6 May 08 at 19:56
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I agree with madjr, gThumb is awesome. I use it 99% of the time when I need to resize, crop, rotate or just view an image. It is fast and super easy.
If it had the lightweight functions benefactor mentioned, we would have our application.
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would be interesting one could have features from DeluxePaint (version 3 or 4, from AmigaOS), providing you palette, grid, animation, stencil, etc.
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MS paint is an amazing program! It is truly unrivaled in the linux world and this is something that NEEDS to be fixed. My favorite feature of MS paint is that no matter what you paste into it, it'll do its best to put it on the canvas.
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Chrissss
wrote on the 16 Jun 09 at 16:35
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There is a quite new project to get this task done called Nathive. Take a look at Nathive and try to help them out! http://www.nathive.org/
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XnView for Linux would be superb ^_^
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Pinta has reached version 1.0 now, and is probably stable enough to warrant inclusion into Ubuntu by default.
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