http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/288/
[1534 votes] Solution #1: Auto-generated solution of idea #288


]]> en-us Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:17:29 +0000 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:10:46 +0000 QAPoll module http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/288/ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:34:50 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:12:22 +0000 had to stop using Ubuntu because of this. I hope that it can be fixed quickly so that I can return.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:32:33 +0000 There are tutorials out there that fix this, but you have to disable advanced power management. ]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:42:30 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:59:27 +0000
Only if a user goes out of their way to enable laptop_mode will they encounter a problem.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:53:57 +0000 so everything is already here, just need to change default config.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:40:06 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:49:14 +0000
The modern drives are very smart and attempting to apply more power saving to them actually mostly just increases the power usage. You really shouldn't have enabled anything extra in the first place.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:37:06 +0000 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:28:02 +0000
But yeah, this is very worrying if it hasn't been fixed. We don't want Canonical to get any law suites.]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:02:27 +0000
There are some settings in /etc/default/acpi-support which seem to be related to this problem. When I tried to use them a few months ago on Gutsy, they didn't seem to affect the shutdown/idle time. Can someone confirm this?]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:20:16 +0000
However something really need to be done to make sure those HDD won't get broken because of the load cycle... if you can avoid it nobody want dead hard drives.

A general HDD monitory tool might be a good idea. Warning the user there's a problem and maybe propose a way to stop the insane head parking that happen on some configuration ]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:10:46 +0000 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:39:34 +0000 However, it would be way smarter to predict disk-usage using more info than just disk-reads: while moving the mouse around, and typing stuff, you should never spindown.]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:26:51 +0000 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:21:11 +0000
Fix this issue and [Ubuntu] Linux might start getting a much bigger slice of the pie.]]> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:01:19 +0000 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:08:40 +0000 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:39:57 +0000
I did

/dev/sda
apm = 255
spindown_time = 0


as a default - consequence is loss of power saving capabilities in favor of prolonging my hdds lifespan...]]> Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:30:23 +0000 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=591503

unofficial ugly fix :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3675960&postcount=26

Don't apply any unofficial ugly fixes unless you understand what you are doing and you understand how to revert. Only apply this fix if you are heavily affected. After applying this fix keep an eye on your Load_Cycle_Count and on your harddrive temperate and make sure it remains below the maximum temperature specification of your harddrive. Everything you do is on your own risk.]]> Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:20:50 +0000
I know what I am talking about since my blog is currently being operated from a notebook - I wasted a HD by following this -B 255 talk, it died within 2 weeks after having turned off HD APM because of a broken ball bearing.... and boy it made some really ugly noises before it died.....

There is no simple solution, as the same APM parameter has completely different results on the various HD drives. Also, there are different scenarios, and in some of them you actually want to have agressive APM setting in order to save maximum power.

What you guys want is something like a squared circle or getting washed without getting wet. It is not going to happen wihtout a HD database and/or vendor support, as all approaches have to respect different situations and different hardware.

The best way currently for some drives seems to be a HD management via good old laptop-mode and low APM values while on AC and more agressive settings while on battery. If you can combine this with a HD drive database, maybe you get what you want. But will not get a "one fits it all" solution.

Read this article here for some more information and a flexible "solution" for some Fujitsu HD drives, if you are new to the issue. And don't switch to Vista because of this issue - Vista seems to have the same problem on many drives.

http://vale.homelinux.net/wordpress/?p=199



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This is a big issue directly but even more of an issue indirectly.
The first contact with Ubuntu is always by "trying it out". If a cost in hardware wear and tear is attached to that, people won't do that.
Also it could lead to Ubuntu-exceptions on warranties, which is not the kind of publicity, that is needed. ( and it could give service personnel an easy way out of fixing your computers, even if such an exception wasn't explicitly stated)]]> Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:13:35 +0000 http://tips-debian.blogspot.com/2008/04/repair-hard-disk.html]]> Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:12:15 +0000 http://packages.debian.org/lenny/acpi-support

Why not in Hardy?]]> Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:34:03 +0000 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:52:03 +0000 Mon, 05 May 2008 17:19:57 +0000
This should definitely be a high-priority task for the Ubuntu dev's though.]]> Mon, 26 May 2008 03:00:16 +0000
i dual boot vista and ubuntu 8.04. There is no problem with my drive in vista, but there is in 8.04. How can this be a HD problem and not a OS problem?]]> Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:24:57 +0000 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:06:53 +0000 Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:18:14 +0000 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:29:33 +0000 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:42:26 +0000
Enabling AHCI (to give you NCQ) could potentially help a bit too, because it allows the heads to move more efficiently, but never actually checked.

Talking about it here wont help, because developers have no idea about the specs of your computer, cant ask you to do checks, etc. ]]> Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:20:41 +0000
Thanks.

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erythrocyte]]> Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:43:46 +0000
Thanks,

TC111]]> Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:12:17 +0000 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:35:44 +0000 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:20:22 +0000 and climbing.]]> Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:31:09 +0000