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    <title><![CDATA[Better Multilingual support and better CJK fonts]]></title>
    <link>http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/273/</link>
    <description><![CDATA[It's currently way too difficult to set up fonts and input editor for languages such as Japanese, Chinese, and Korean.<br /><br />Take a look at this complicated HOWTO:<br />https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Japanese_Input_and_Fonts_in_Ubuntu_7%2e10<br /><br />Setting up SCIM / SKIM should be easy regardless of what language you log in with. Many people need to use multiple languages.<br /><br />In Windows, all you need to do is open the Regional Settings and check the languages you want and possibly insert the original disc.<br /><br />In addition, the fonts installed for CJK by default are horrible. Ubuntu should include more readable fonts out of the box.<br /><br />I feel this is a very important issue and is blocking Ubuntu from being a serious option for CJK users.<br />
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<b>[196 votes] Solution #1: Auto-generated solution of idea #273</b>
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  <title>Comment from foe</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Hi kimchi314, I am the author of idea #285. I suggest we merge our two ideas and since you have more votes, I will post a comment having the people that voted for mine go and vote for yours. Could you edit the post and add some reference from mine (keywords like SCIM / SKIM etc), it might help bringing in people. Thankx!]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from kimchi314</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Hi foe, how do you edit the idea? I can't see an edit link anywhere.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from kimchi314</title>
  <description><![CDATA[Never mind, found it. Thanks]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from seshomaru samma</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I think there should be a simple way to install SCIM for CJK without downloading all the support files for Gnome and OO.<br />Yes  I can do it with the command line ,but it takes a lot of trial and error to find which files I need. Especially for enabling SCIM on English session. It used to work with im-switch and now theres scim-bridge , except it doesn't always work, I found myself using im-switch on a few Gutsy boxes running an English session.  <br />And the fonts definitely need some work on, At least have Firefox display them correctly by default and not using several fonts in the same sentence. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Loïc</title>
  <description><![CDATA[We maintain a detailed guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM and update it for each release (nothing for Hardy yet, since it's a moving target, but it'll be there a few days after release). It mostly works for Chinese and Korean, but I know Japanese users have different problems - can't help for that at the moment.<br /><br />The steps required are simple though, and should have been done by Ubuntu for ages.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from 3dxtrip</title>
  <description><![CDATA[SCIM don't work with the Opera Browser on Ubuntu Gutsy. I other distros like Slackware works fine. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from jon.reeve</title>
  <description><![CDATA[This is my #1 beef with Ubuntu, as a bilingual English/Chinese user. Out of the box, all Chinese text is displayed in a hodgepodge patchwork of fonts, some of which are anti-aliased, some not, and it takes some serious commandline work to get it just to where you can DISPLAY Chinese characters correctly. SCIM takes a good deal of messing around with, too. I can't even describe in numbers the ridiculous amount of hours I've spent trying to get my Chinese fonts to display correctly.  <br /><br />What I don't understand is, usually users (I assume) are going to go to language preferences and enable Chinese (or Japanese, or Korean), and probably not the other asian languages. With that in mind, why can't Ubuntu simply notice when say, Chinese is enabled, and go through all the motions of configuring its system to display Chinese characters correctly? I mean, if I can follow a page-long list of instructions to customize my system for chinese display, so can the computer itself, right? <br /><br />Ok sorry for ranting. But I think we should be able to get on this issue. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from YannUbuntu</title>
  <description><![CDATA[The solution exists, please vote here:<br /><br />http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5840/]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Loïc</title>
  <description><![CDATA[How is http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5840/ a solution?<br /><br />Most problems with multilingual support arises when an English (or any latin-locale user) wants to input a CJK language (or other language necessitating an IME) under an English session.<br /><br />Asking them to just install from, say, a Chinese CD and using a Chinese session when their primary language isn't Chinese (or Japanese, or Korean) is downright senseless. It doesn't solve tha fonts problem either.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from FangQ</title>
  <description><![CDATA[FYI, in Ubuntu 8.04, the default Chinese desktop font (sans-serif/mono) was updated to WenQuanYi Zen Hei. This font provides full coverage to all 20924 GBK Hanzi and all glyphs for zh-*, ja and ko locales.<br /><br />http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ttf-wqy-zenhei<br />http://wenq.org/enindex.cgi?keywords=ZenHei_Kwafoo_README&raw=1 ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Greenery</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I tried to set my SKIM to be able to let me type in Japanese but it didn't work. So I really want Japanese input setup to be easy and straightforward (or even better, one-click away) similar to other languages for those who are multilingual users.<br /><br />Since I'm a Kubuntu user, if they plan to integrate a solution for this in Ubuntu, integrate to all Ubuntu family (Kubuntu,Xubuntu and etc.). I hate to feel like a second class citizen.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 11:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from riutaro</title>
  <description><![CDATA[@jon.reeve<br />@Greenery<br /><br />I am a multilingual user too, storing Traditional and Simplified Chinese and Japanese data on the GB-EN login.  Ubuntu system itself can run on English any time but I want C and J supported side-by-side.  This includes a decent set of input methods that works on ALL Debian applications as well as proper display/handling of Asian scripts in the file system and on the Internet (preferably independent of browsers).<br /><br />I have tried quite a few HOWTOs with heavy command lining and am still having the same problems — I even don't remember what exactly I did any more.  Fresh install looks like this only option but I haven't found time and space to do a complete back-up.<br /><br />I ardently wait for a day when a simultaneous CJK support is only a few clicks away from the fresh install!  :)]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from dabisu</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I agree with the idea of making SCIM more configurable (and that's the reason i use uim, IMHO is easier to use to work with CJK languages).<br /><br />But the Ubuntu biggest problem is the lack of good fonts for CJK. Every release breaks something, and gives the impression that Ubuntu considers CJK locales and countries not their "main" market. Big error if you ask me.<br /><br />For example, in 7.10 korean fonts were ok, in 8.04 are ugly and completely unreadable. In 8.04 japanese fonts are ok, but in previous versions antialiasing was enabled for small sizes making them unreadable.<br /><br />In 8.10, too, firefox 3 (i understand this is not really and ubuntu problem) is still worse that firefox 2 when latin1 and japanese/chinese characters are on the same page, mixing double-width and half-width and producing an ugly mess (just check any japanese wikipedia article with latin characters).]]></description>
  <pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from agro1986</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I'm an English user that needs to input Japanese on my system. Setting it with Ubuntu is indeed not as easy as in Windows XP. Voting this.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from jkeating</title>
  <description><![CDATA[I think SCIM and the ability to change the interface/menu language are one of Ubuntu's strongest points. At work I have to use Windows XP systems in Japanese -- Japanese alone and Japanese forever, and good luck navigating those setup menus. Entering Japanese with SCIM is easier, in my experience, and UTF-8 is far better than Shift-JIS or any other single-language encoding. Plus other languages -- our XP machines can't enter characters in anything other than Roman and Japanese characters, as far as I can tell, while SCIM can do most languages. And in Ubuntu, switching interfaces is as easy as switching input. I have had trouble in the past (like other people here), but for me that's in the past, and I feel Ubuntu's multilingual capabilities should be one of its biggest selling points.<br /><br />But I join the complaint about fonts. More fonts available for CJK languages. Ubuntu's Japanese interface is fine. But I also use Opera, and the available fonts are terrible. Some of the fault is Opera's -- Firefox renders the same pages fine, and seems to be able to use fonts Opera can't (the same as the system: Sans etc., whatever that really is). But whatever Opera's weakness is, there are still only four or five fonts available for it. Of those, most are too light and delicate to be suitable for a browser, even if they look good printed. Only Free Sans and A-something render well in Web pages, but both look like scrawls in bold. Apparently Free Sans, at least, has bold for hiragana but not kanji characters. I have looked before for Debian packages of CJK fonts, and there is nothing else except handwriting fonts. ]]></description>
  <pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 11:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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  <title>Comment from Tarou</title>
  <description><![CDATA[@FangQ: Thanks! WenQuanYi Zen Hei's Japanese glyphs look great.<br /><br />Still should have been easier/more obvious, IMHO.]]></description>
  <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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