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People like games, and while Linux has done very well with the card games, minesweeper and tetris type games, lets get some games that people can really get excited about.
How about starting or supporting one each of a
1)First Person Shooter (FPS)
2)Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game (MMORPG)
3)Real Time Strategy Game (RTS)
4)Other popular game types that Linux lacks (Other people, submit your ideas)
I have seen these types of games on linux, and some of them have been pretty good, but not many people know about them. Start new or support existing game projects that work on most Linux platforms, and make them something to be excited about.
If we can have Linux games that people are excited about and like playing we will have less and less need for WINE and dual-boot machines. (although I personally appreciate the WINE developers, they work really hard).
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Kent88 wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 00:32
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I just think that this could get the ball rolling in a positive direction.
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cantormath wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 01:00
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I like this idea, but the problem is, IMO, the issue of gaming and linux is entirely up to the gaming companies. There are alot of wonderful workarounds for gaming on linux, but there is only so much that can be done.
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Kent88 wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 01:04
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Yeah, I think that gaming companies have a lot of the responsibilities too, but when Linux (and Ubuntu) are being COMPLETELY ignored then something has to be done to show them that we have a platform that needs to be taken seriously.
I guess I should have been more specific with my suggestion, but I really don't know how that the support should be given. How about some suggestions for that, too?
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Aleks wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 02:10
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This idea is misguided.
The games out there can't run on Ubuntu because well...they weren't made for linux. There is nothing that can be done about that. A different perspective for this idea could be allowing better integration with WINE. Now, there is something I'm up for.
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Kent88 wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 02:15
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"...they(games) weren't made for linux. There is nothing that can be done about that"
I'm trying to suggest a way to make games for linux, natively. I'm not asking to port any existing windoze-only games to linux. There are some decent existing games in some of these areas that already run natively on linux, they might just need a boost. Some areas are lacking, and maybe they need a start (an entirely new game project).
This really doesn't have anything to do with WINE, the only reason I mentioned them is to give them some credit for their work.
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Arnaudus wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 08:26
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Ubuntu has already so many things to do... It's not really a brainstorm for the Free Software community, but rather for the Ubuntu distribution.
You already have a reasonable number of almost professional-looking games in Ubuntu. Try Battle for Wesnoth for instance. In any case, developping a free game costs a lot of money, a lot of energy, and lots of skills. While companies can help developing free SQL databases or drivers for the kernel, no company will support games. The only way to get good games with Ubuntu is to improve Ubuntu enough to make game editors interested in releasing their game on this system.
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Kent88 wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 09:09
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"Developing a free game costs money..."
Money that a company like, oh, Canonical might have, and not to mention they could benefit from it from the wider adoption of their system as a gaming platform.
They could throw their weight behind an existing game project too, give it a boost to make it the flagship game that people could get excited about.
Not everyone knows how to develop SQL databases, I bet a lot more people are interested in gaming, especially on the desktop side. People need SQL in business and servers, but this is supposed to be Linux for human beings, like I just said, a lot of human beings like games. I've heard a LOT of people say that the only reason they run a dual-boot computer with windoze on it is for one or two games, and they don't want to mess with WINE (or WINE can't run it at all).
I'm also sure that developing a free operating system costs money to, but Canonical seems to think they can make some money off of that.
Personally, I like the idea of Canonical giving a financial and/or advertising boost to a promising gaming project. Show that it can be done (that Linux can be a great game platform).
Something has to happen so that gaming companies and groups take notice of Linux, unless we want to wait until Linux has 80%+ of the desktop market. Based on the progress so far, Linux is not getting the credit it deserves on the desktop, we have to raise the bar in the areas we lack, and Linux lacks in games (or game advertising, however you want to look at it).
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mitcoes wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 13:02
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Easy VT as XEN plus wine and a page with wine compatibilities and linux versions would make Ubuntu a gamers system.
And of course lets make opengl much better than directx, and with more games, and better video drivers. ID software, and Quake saga can help, but directx is wining tha battle vs opengl and that is a shame.
Sony and Nintendo would not like directx to be the standard, they would be interested in improving opengl, at east for avoidinf MS supremacy.
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Kent88 wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 00:48
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WINE has a directory/database of what applications and games work under it and how well, though it isn't Ubuntu specific, applications are often tested and rated on Ubuntu.
http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.php?catId=0
Though I guess not many people know about it.
Are you suggesting that Sony and Nintendo could be enlisted to help improve OpenGL and therefor (indirectly) help Ubuntu.
Not a bad idea, I'd be for it in a heartbeat, but how about getting something going with the games themselves?
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Dreamsorcerer wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 20:59
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"In any case, developping a free game costs a lot of money, a lot of energy, and lots of skills. While companies can help developing free SQL databases or drivers for the kernel, no company will support games. The only way to get good games with Ubuntu is to improve Ubuntu enough to make game editors interested in releasing their game on this system."
Ubuntu is perfectly capable of running games, it does not need to be better, it just needs the user base to attract companies that believe there are enough users to make a profit.
Also, who said anything about free games, what's wrong with commercial games. I recently found out that a few of the very popular games are available on Linux, such as Doom, Neverwinter Nights, and Unreal Tournament (although UT 3 for Linux is TBA 2008), search the games on Wikipedia, and in the box on the left check the Platforms their supported on.
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Kent88 wrote on the 4 Mar 08 at 23:24
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Ubuntu's handling of games is not what I was concerned about when I brought this up, I was just thinking that there needs to be something that can really show off how well games can work on Ubuntu, something that people can get excited about.
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Dreamsorcerer wrote on the 5 Mar 08 at 19:17
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"I was just thinking that there needs to be something that can really show off how well games can work on Ubuntu, something that people can get excited about."
But, games work just like any other OS, so there's nothing that shows off, maybe you could integrate a few features of a game, if Evolution can link to the system's calendar (I know it is technically Evolution's), then we could do some similar pieces of integration with a game, but that's the only thing I can think of.
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Kent88 wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 04:00
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My original idea was to get an entire project going, or give an existing one a boost. I'm not talking about adding features or re-inventing the wheel, I just wanted to see a wider variety of well-publicized, high quality games. I thought that getting a few "flagship" games going would attract some attention, perhaps even the attention of some game developing companies.
Its just as much about spreading the word and drawing attention (and possible users) as it is satisfying the current linux gamer.
I think everyone here knows that great games can be made for linux, but how many gamers unfamiliar with linux know? How many of them are just thinking "Well, this game only works with Windows, so I need Windows". Linux could use a game that when people hear about the game they think "You know, that game works really well with Linux, and Linux is even free! It can't hurt to look into this Linux stuff".
Of course, this was just my original idea, if anyone has something to add to it, feel free to leave a suggestion.
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ka2 wrote on the 6 Mar 08 at 07:12
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see cubeengine.com
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andrewfenn wrote on the 8 Mar 08 at 06:34
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If you want to support open source game development then why not for example pre-order a DVD from http://apricot.blender.org/
It's up to you to fund the commercial open source game development not Ubuntu.
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neomenlo wrote on the 25 Mar 08 at 20:37
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The problem with officially starting or supporting any of those games is that almost all of them end up being more than 100MB, which would be almost impossible to cram onto one CD with all of the other stuff thats already there.
If you're not going to put it onto the cd, many people probably won't end up downloading it anyway, since there's no really good way to show quality or official support through the installers.
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syberjj wrote on the 21 Jun 08 at 12:37
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Thats not for the ubuntu team to waste time on.
You want games to be working on ubunu? then write to the people developing the games. Should ubuntu waste time and effort on every new game that comes out?
Blizzard already noticed thousends of users that are playing world of warcraft on ubuntu using wine. If enough users do it, maybe the next blizzard game will work on ubuntu.
I started a new idea asking for a place where we can sign saying "we want to play on ubuntu" in a way that the ubuntu team can send it to big companies and make them see the potential market that is growing on linux systems.
If you want to help promote this idea please visit:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10140/
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notyetroot wrote on the 12 Aug 08 at 19:02
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Vegastrike is pretty good. We need more quality OpenGL games to compete with Windows, which will come more soon (thanks to FOSS) than waiting for Wine to implement the windows(oze) api fully.
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freezeman wrote on the 20 Aug 08 at 20:50
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I know there are some games that exists wich would fit fine for Ubuntu. As example Planeshift. I really would love to have it in supository. It exists as a .bin file wich must change to executeable and ownage before I can install. But for the first time user it may be too hard to fiddle about.
There is many FPS games, but RPG and MMORPG like WOW and Planeshift could be something Canonical could give more support to the making company for getting it in the suppository. And why are there so many outdated ugly games as rpg? Go for more modern games please!
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