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Idea #22563: GIMP is out from Lucid Lynx.

bug This idea was marked as being not considered for implementation the 7 July 11.
Written by hellmet the 20 Nov 09 at 18:49. Related project: GIMP Image Editor. Status: Won't implement
Rationale
GIMP is being taken off the default install due to "CD space" problems. However, it should remain easily accessible/installable.
Tags: F-spot GIMP

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Solution #1: Replace GIMP in the menu, with icon to install.
Written by hellmet the 20 Nov 09 at 18:49.
Remove GIMP from the default install, but, replace the menu item with an item that will display information about GIMP and then ask if the user wants to go ahead and (fetch &) install it from the repos.

This way, GIMP is still visible, yet not on the CD, and is easily installable.
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Solution #2: not remove gimp
Written by Wilmer Toledo the 20 Nov 09 at 19:21.
easy, do not remove gimp from live CD, some users, like me, can't connect to Internet so easily
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Solution #3: Remove the help files
Written by Glennz the 20 Nov 09 at 20:46.
Removing the help files from gimp will already make the cd smaller.
I have heard from various people it would make the cd about 20 mb smaller just by removing gimp help files.
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Solution #4: Remove GIMP and let users install it as needed
Written by pwnedd the 21 Nov 09 at 10:41.
It's a great application and I use it a lot, but it's not for everyone. A simple photo-editor with things like rescaling and "remove red-eye" is probably enough for many people. Also, it's not too difficult to install GIMP once your system in installed :)
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Solution #5: give a simple paint app
Written by yzarc the 21 Nov 09 at 14:37.
Very often I just wanna draw an arrow over a map and write "the party is here!". Or just crop a picture.

And it's a pain to do it in gimp. It's like operate war tank to kill an ant. Please give us a simple image editor, no layers, no vectors, no Filters, etc. Try to remember the first time you opened the gimp. What do I do with all these windows and tools?



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Solution #6: Add an applications section to the installer
Written by tehalynn the 21 Nov 09 at 23:31.
When someone installs Ubuntu, they are shown an applications page with the following options:


1. Install all default applications. Some will need to be downloaded.
2. Install only default applications that do not need to be downloaded.
3. Select which applications to install.


Option 1 will install applications that are not on the CD, such as GIMP, by downloading and installing them when an internet connection is made.

Option 2 will install only applications on the CD. It should tell the user how to get them later if they change their mind.

Option 3 shows a page listing applications that will be installed. The user can exclude applications they do not want, and include ones they do. Here's a mockup of the general idea:



Only major applications need to be mentioned here. This is not a replacement for Ubuntu Software Center/Synaptic.
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Solution #7: Remove less useful stuff.
Written by Uncle TK the 22 Nov 09 at 12:11.
As for me GIMP is much more useful for common user than f.e. Bluez or Transmission and many other stuff. Maybe it's a good idea to reserve GIMP instead of them?
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Solution #8: first run
Written by nloewen the 23 Nov 09 at 05:02.
At the first boot of the system after install, a dialog box could pop up asking if the user would like some help setting up there system. It could go through users and what not as well as ask what the user would like to use there computer for. if they select something like photo editing or replacement for photo-shop, the program would select GIMP for install with a button to let them select a different program from the repository.
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Solution #9: Move from CD to DVD (USB) release
Written by Bobik-s the 23 Nov 09 at 11:36.
Lucid Lynx will be ready at 2010. Who cares about ancient CDs? Ubuntu distro should be DVD- or USB-based. Even if you remove GIMP the problem of 700Mb capacity is still unresolved.
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Solution #10: Offer Multiple ISO downloads
Written by fix98-win the 24 Nov 09 at 09:58.
CD-Rs come in packs more often than not.

Offer for download in ISO format a two disc system with just Ubuntu on the first disc and extra applications on the second disc. This would possibly be in addition to the standard one disc system.

This way, users can save both discs for when they need to reinstall software that came with the system, but are offline.

Besides, using two discs frees up space for more software to be included with ubuntu by default.

ps: Don't forget to give users a choice of which applications to install from the second disc.
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Solution #11: Use better compression algorithm for packages
Written by 10110111 the 25 Nov 09 at 13:53.
There should exist some better compression algorithms. Just use some of them instead of the one which is used now for packages.
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Solution #12: Atleast include it in the dvd
Written by shinjan the 25 Nov 09 at 14:33.
Gimp is a very useful package...it's not at all worth removal due to space problems. If not in the cd atleast include in the dvd version of ubuntu..
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Solution #13: OpenOffice
Written by argento the 25 Nov 09 at 15:43.
Just use OpenOffice Draw to do simple painting
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Solution #14: Remove every internet related application.
Written by Vladimir Hidalgo the 26 Nov 09 at 01:46.
This is a mix of previous solutions, but what I propose is to remove basically everything on "Internet" menu but Firefox.

Why?, because people that need those internet related apps do *have* internet to use them, therefore they can download & install them in an easy one-click install process like described in #1.

That is, to remove by default:

-Transmission
-Pidgin/Empathy/Ekiga
-Terminal Server Client
-Evolution
-Ubuntu One

I mean, common, those are needed only if you have Internet, so they can be pulled & installed on first use.

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Solution #15: Software Center should have a "recommended Software" section
Written by Umang the 26 Nov 09 at 12:59.
The software center should have a "Recommended Software" section where programs such as Thunderbird and GIMP are offered for downloading.

New users are flooded with too many packages to actually get a taste of the best FOSS can provide them. This section should be some sort of an exclusive section and only stable and very popular software should be included.
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Solution #17: Even windows comes with paint...
Written by vexorian the 26 Nov 09 at 14:30.
How am I going to do anything with the live CD when I need graphics? No, I don't want to tweak a photo...

At least include tuxpaint or something like that for god's sake.

I guess I would just have to switch to a distro with a functional live CD instead...
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Solution #18: Include KolourPaint instead of GIMP
Written by 8bit the 27 Nov 09 at 07:34.
The thing missing from Ubuntu is a simple, MS Paint-like program. These are nice in that they are easy to learn, run smoothly on low end system, lack clutter, have small install footprints, and open up seemingly instantly. KolourPaint is all of these:


Pros:

-The design is good. It doesn't feel cramped, it feels uniform and inviting, and most of the button icons are self-explainable. It basically looks like a prettier, shinier pre-Windows 7 MS Paint.
-It functions almost identically to MS Paint. A casual Windows user likely wouldn't be able to notice the difference, and the time it would take to transition would be minimal
-Start up time is fast
-All features that are in KolourPaint and not in MS Paint are pretty useful, and in no way get in the way of the MS Paint-like features.
-The undo history is huge. Where as MS Paint only allows 2 undos, I've gone back hundreds of actions and still haven't hit a wall
-Anything that's been changed from MS Paint has been changed for the better. Zoom is more powerful, the eraser has more brush sizes, the shape tools let you choose line thickness from within their tool box, and don't require you to switch to the line tool to choose line thickness.
-It's pretty stable. I had a weird hangup when using the zoom tool once, but I haven't been able to reproduce it since, and gPaint, on the other hand, crashes whenever I click on the 'fill' tool.
-As I mentioned, there are a couple of original tools- The connected lines tool, the color eraser tool, the freeform selection tool, but the most interesting addition is the Color Similarity tool which allows a user to set selection threshold for the fill tool. (and other tools, presumably) What this means is that you can have two, very similar colors, set this setting to something high, and then use the fill tool on one, and it will fill two. This is very useful, and is somewhat analogous to the magic wand tool/color select.
-Supports saving in a multitude of files.
-Supports editing in a multitude of files. (including XCF)
-Sort of has support for transparency (THIS IS AWESOME!)
-Only just over 2MB in size, as compared to GIMP's 14MB
-Everything is in one window. I quite like this.
-Free and open source. Uses the BSD license.
-It's being actively developed.

Cons:

-No layering support
-Very limited transparency support. While transparency itself is supported, translucency isn't, so you can't have an image with parts that are sort of transparent. It's either completely transparency, or completely opaque.
-No transparency for the tools. This seems obvious considering the above. You can't set transparency levels for, say, the paintbrush, for example.
-There's an uneven number of tools, meaning that there is a space where an icon could go which is empty. (Not a big deal at all.)
-The 'fill' tool isn't a paint bucket, so it may be confusing for a half a second, but the icon makes sense, and is more elegant than a paint bucket.
-The color picker icon looks like a safety pin to me, which was confusing at first.
-When you pull on the edge of the canvas to enlarge it, it doesn't resize in real time. Instead, it shows you a selection box sort of thing. (MS Paint does this in real time.) This is incredibly knit-picky. 99% of people wouldn't even notice this, I don't really care, some might even prefer it.
-Does not support saving in XCF format.
-It ate up my processor once, forcing me to restart my whole system, once. I've tried pretty hard, though, and I haven't been able to show the issue again. It's entirely possible it was another piece of software I was running. Other than that, it runs completely smooth.
-On a live CD 2MB can still be substantial, but it's definitely an improvement over 14.
-The color swatches bar takes up a little bit too much vertical space in my opinion. Why can't the color profile be on the right side, rather than above? There's all that extra horizontal space, afterall.

In conclusion, the cons are either extremely knit-picky, or exist in similar programs, such as gPaint and MS Paint, anyway. KolourPaint seems perfect for the live CD as a lightweight, Paint-like program. I highly recommend it.

GIMP, on the other hand, is just too large for Live CDs, too unweildly for casual users, and really easy to get for anyone who actually needs it.
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Solution #19: Ubuntu App Collections
Written by 8bit the 27 Nov 09 at 07:41.
Mozilla has a section of their Firefox add-ons site dedicated to Add-on Collections. These are collections of add-ons handpicked by developers for different uses, (Web developer, family, etc..) which can be downloaded and installed with a single click. Implement a similar section for full applications in the AppCenter. Have one for artists, one for web developers, one for gamers, etc...
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Solution #20: Solution #10 Revised.
Written by fix98-win the 29 Nov 09 at 09:39.
I think it might have been the double ISO thing that ruined it. Lemme try again.

Offer Ubuntu for download one one disk. This will save download time, and installation time.

Forget the second disk. I was trying to imply the second disk would be optional, or even nonexistent.

Why would anybody want to backup their software anyway? (sarcasm)
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Solution #21: Give a high-compressed archive and application
Written by Kwpolska the 29 Nov 09 at 13:37.
Add, like solution 1, small installer, like Firefox on Kubuntu 9.10, but he will decompress highly compressed archive (it can be archive in archive model) and make installer decompress DEB's in it and install it.
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Solution #22: Like Solution #19, but have it where any user can suggest applications
Written by aubre the 30 Nov 09 at 18:12.
Allow users to submit lists of applications that they like to have on their machines, have them assigned a "collection name" and then give users the option of either browsing the lists or searching for the list name (perhaps they already know the list they want to install).

An example is perhaps an academic lab manager has certain applications they install on each machine. They make a list, submit it to Ubuntu, and then as they install new machines they can simply input the name and all the packages they need will be pre-selected for them. Even better, an academic lab manager on the other side of the world can browse the list, find this pre-built list, and either use it unchanged or adapt it as a starting point of their own list.

There are text/CLI ways to do these things but it would be nice if it could be incorporated into the graphical install interface.
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Solution #23: Give OpenOffice-Draw an icon
Written by snadrus the 1 Dec 09 at 21:50.
It's already installed. It's a vector graphics program which usually better fits the "just sketch something" mindset since things you drew are layered instead of lost. Lets just see an icon for it.

Try it out from the command line: ooffice -draw
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Solution #24: Remove something other
Written by Softwayer the 2 Dec 09 at 13:45.
GIMP is a very useful program, and Ubuntu contains lots of less useful software. I think a very little number of people use Ekiga, Terminal Server client and remote desktop application. It is better to remove them and don't remove GIMP.
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Solution #25: Install Wine, the MS .net framework and use paint.net under Wine
Written by Pierre Chef the 3 Dec 09 at 16:04.
If only we could add a java layer!
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Solution #26: Gimp Light (a easy and not so messy Version of Gimp)
Written by account the 5 Dec 09 at 13:54.
The newest Gimp is a single-window-Application. The source is open. So I propose to take that source, delete all what is not really necessary and create by this way a simpler Version of Gimp. I call it Gimp-Light and I think it's a great idea. So peoples can accustoms the feel of Gimp, but without the messy feel of the normal Version of Gimp. If they needs more, they can install the regular Gimp. The Gimp-Light shouldn't have many functions - only basic ones for painting etc. This will reduce the weight of this application and can be shipped also in the CD-Version of Ubuntu without problems. A paint-application can stay also in the whole amount of the packages! What you think about my idea!?
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Solution #27: Ubuntu paint
Written by Glennz the 6 Dec 09 at 18:38.
Let Canonical develop an easy but usefull simple paint app.
Like gnome paint.
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Solution #28: Remove extra stuffs or compress less used with paq
Written by DrG the 7 Dec 09 at 08:36.
Remove some of the

Games totalling > 3.0 MB
Backgrounds 9.5 MB ( replace high detailed ones with less detailed ( ie. more compressible to the sqashfs ) ,but eye candy ones.
Themes 1.4 MB - ( remove some ugly ones )
Sounds 3.1 MB - these can be replaced by symbolic format sound ( which takes very little space )
Screen Savers

And such similar items
( choose only a few of these items by voting )
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compress the less used one with paq8px
Example - in karmic , when Shoes.jpg was compressed with paq806 -6 the size was reduced to 802.3 kb from 1016 kb.
( lzma , which is used in the Karmic CD squashfs is not able to reduce the size )

For more informations on compression
http://www.maximumcompression.com/data/summary_sf.php
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To make space for GIMP or GIMPShop
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Solution #29: Make a highly compressed disk image.
Written by Faldegast the 7 Dec 09 at 10:02.
Rather then having a lot of .deb packages, the install CD should have a disk image that is just decompressed to the selected partition.

It should be possible to do a lot more compression on a disk image then on deb packages.

Also this should make install much faster.
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Solution #30: Make 'Ubuntu Studio' service
Written by DrG the 7 Dec 09 at 10:54.
A 'Ubuntu Studio' service - like openSuse Studio ( http://susestudio.com/ ).

Which allow users to customize their distro from top to bottom.
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Solution #31: Do not remove Gimp from LIVECD experience
Written by robang74 the 11 Dec 09 at 00:28.
Removing gimp means it would be not available in live-cd experience. I think people who want to try Ubuntu before installing it would appreciate an image editor like gimp.
Remove some help package instead which usually people download in their own language.
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Solution #32: Develop www.phofiltre-lx.org an include in in Lucid Lynx
Written by walo the 12 Dec 09 at 16:56.
¿Haven't you used photofiltre fow windows?

This is one of the best free and useful image tools i have ever used.
Photo filtre LX (http://www.photofiltre-lx.org/) was created to have this simple but really useful aplication under GNU/Linux. I think this develop needs to be released as soon as posible in order to replace GIMP or to have other SIMPLE image manipulation program.

It's going to ve developed using C++ and imagemagic library
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Solution #33: Recover some space by dropping Mono
Written by KiloByte the 12 Dec 09 at 18:51.
Gimp is one of more important programs, certainly more important than junk like Tomboy Notes, which takes >50MB -- _and_ there's a port of Tomboy to C++ called gnote. Replace it with that port, and there goes non-free Mono. The space savings would let us have Gimp and a bunch of other stuff.
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Solution #34: An additional CD to install GIMP, Inkspace and another applications
Written by tiagoscd the 16 Dec 09 at 10:41.
The additional CD with various popular applications.

This CD can be added as a repository and have an "special" option on Software Center.
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Solution #35: Use a more efficient compression algorithm
Written by dant1612 the 18 Dec 09 at 02:50.
use the xz utils package to compress the files instead, the author claims that it produces archives up to 30% smaller than gzip (although decompression speed would probably be sacrificed)

http://tukaani.org/xz/

(Its still in beta, but I've noticed quite a few GNU programs have started providing source packages in the .xz format)
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Solution #36: Use a lighter solution for simple things
Written by premamotion the 5 Jan 10 at 22:01.
Use a GIMP lighter solution/version for simple things (like crop, rotate..), and the user that need more options can install the full version of GIMP.
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Solution #37: Let the user compose their own CD from selectable components
Written by 10110111 the 7 Mar 10 at 13:08.
Make a program which would let the user select the needed packages (or use defaults like official Ubuntu compilation, Kubuntu, etc.), which then would be fetched from the repos and packed into a bootable CD/DVD image.
And leave the official CD as its maintainers want (including removal of some packages like GIMP).

Edit: hmm... it's sorta dup of #30...

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snostorm wrote on the 20 Nov 09 at 23:47
@Solution 1:
Why have the install link without the actual program? If it's wanted, it's in the software center. Why would someone click a menu entry entitled "Install GIMP", unless they know what GIMP is?

@Solution 2:
That's already been decided against, and I think it's for the better this way.

@Solution 3:
Why have an application without help files for it? That sounds like a very bad idea...

hellmet wrote on the 20 Nov 09 at 23:53
Solution1 reason: As far as I know, and according to many discussions on this topic, there isn't a proper replacement for GIMP, or atleast a minimal Paint-like program. Existing Gnome applications are not good enough.

So, at some point a new Linux user will need a decent photo-editing program. Instead of searching through the repos and deciding what to install, it'd be easier if s/he knew what Ubuntu would recommend for this purpose. Also note I meant new LINUX user, not a user new to Photo Editing.

What solution(s) do you have snostorm?

Shady3D wrote on the 21 Nov 09 at 07:43
the only situation that GIMP will stay if and only if it contains 2 modes
1. regular user: simplified interface with very basic features
2. Advanced user: the gimp we use now

oha wrote on the 21 Nov 09 at 15:29
I'm quite new to linux, so here's my question about solution #3: If you don't have the helpfiles and try to access the help, will you be automatically prompted to install them? If yes I think it sounds like a good compromise to save space on the CD. Otherwise it kind of misses the point as this entire topic is only a problem for new users, and having a preinstalled program without helpfiles may lead to the stupid idea that there are none. then I'd go with solution #4. I'm afraid I'm against #1 (even though it would solve the "problem"), because I think the menu is the wrong place to be advertising programs, and gimp should not be an exception.

mikaelstaldal wrote on the 23 Nov 09 at 12:03
About solution #9. Probably almost everyone have a DVD reader nowadays, but does everyone have a DVD burner? For a while ago it was common with DVD reader and CD burner combo devices, perhaps those are still in use?

So for distributing disks, use DVD. But keep CD images for download.

centic wrote on the 23 Nov 09 at 22:04
I think there is some communication mismatch around this issue: Many users are concerned that Gimp will be gone in 10.04, which is not the case for sure!

Maybe this can be clarified somewhere centrally so that users are not concerned about this step, as it does not affect anybody who is using Gimp right now!!

_sebastian_ wrote on the 24 Nov 09 at 11:53
Re Solution #1: I'm not opposed to the icon but this would be a one off solution which in return will raise the demand of other applications to be included in the same way
Re Solution #2: there is still the DVD version wich will hopefully still include the GIMP
Re Solution #3: why not, help files could be installed similar to mp3 support of Amarok at first use/access
Re Solution #7: Ubuntu should still come with a variety of software on its initial install
Re Solution #8: this was suggested on other occations, can't find the idea now
Re Solution #9: maybe there should be given more care to the DVD image
Re Solution #10: I would not want to add another image which needs maintenance, CD and DVD should be something for everyone

_sebastian_ wrote on the 24 Nov 09 at 11:55
foudn the idea re solution 8: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17386/

mothes wrote on the 25 Nov 09 at 08:56
Plese don't delete GIMP from Ubuntu. Toolkit = GIMP, less users'll know about GIMP, less community we'll have. Please live it !!!!!

Darwin Survivor (Brainstorm moderator) wrote on the 25 Nov 09 at 12:13
Switching to DVD creates a number of problems
-Bandwidth (4.4GB vs 700MB = 6.4X!)
-Older machines (some don't have readers, other don't have burners)
-USB cost (8GB USB vs 1GB USB)
-Crap factor: with 6.4X the space, it will end up being filled with more apps people don't need, increasing the default install size, etc.

mikaelstaldal wrote on the 25 Nov 09 at 12:41
CD and DVD is not enough for everyone, netbooks does not have any optical disc device at all, so we need USB as well.

MIH1406 wrote on the 25 Nov 09 at 14:24
Cant we compress everything on that CD or it is already compressed?

snostorm wrote on the 25 Nov 09 at 23:24
MIH1406:

Yes, it's already pretty heavily compressed.

snostorm wrote on the 25 Nov 09 at 23:36
@Solution 11

The current package compression method (AFAIK GZip) works quite well, and there aren't many better methods. The most you could probably get is 5-10% better, and that at an extreme cost of speed (probably 2x-10x slower, depending on the method used). Besides then Ubuntu packages wouldn't install on Debian systems, and we don't need yet another incompatible package format.

snostorm wrote on the 25 Nov 09 at 23:44
hellmet:

gPhoto should work quite well for the average user editing photos. And if a MS Paint-like program is needed, GNUPaint looks like it'll do the job quite well.

Mirek2 wrote on the 26 Nov 09 at 18:02
S. #1, #6: Eh... it's a bit of duplicating functionality and a bit vague, let's not bloat up the installer. After all, the user should be able to easily do the same and more with the Software Center after install -- and if he wants to work with graphics, well, all the stuff he might need is just under the graphics section.
S. #10: Great idea! Perhaps the second disc could be more customizable and let the user choose the applications to put on the CD, then make the ISO file. That'd be a huge help -- coming from someone who spends half their time offline.
S. #13: Draw is a vector editor (shapes, lines, ...). GIMP is a bitmap editor (photos, pixels). So very different orientation, features, functionality.
S. #14: Isn't really true for a browser, though.
A user needs a preinstalled browser when:
- they have internet connection, but don't know about the software center (don't forget that even the Ubuntu help files are HTML files and need a browser to be shown)
- they have HTML files they need to view (for example, one can download the English wikipedia, move it to the computer, and use it offline -- that's what I did once, except with the smaller Czech one, and it worked well; or, more simply, some tutorials, help files, ...)
- Don't forget that most people spend most of their time online -- heck, Google's making a browser-based OS. If we force our whole user-base to download a browser first, we're really hurting the out-of-the box experience.
As for the other applications, though (especially Evolution, since an e-mail application really has no point offline and even has little point when online), I agree they should be removed instead of GIMP.

Vladimir Hidalgo wrote on the 27 Nov 09 at 02:01
I'd modified #14, just to let Firefox in the Internet menú.

Can anybody tell me how Transmission/Evolution/Empathy/Ekiga can be more useful than GIMP to someone that does *not* have internet connection to download the sofware?.

michaeljt wrote on the 1 Dec 09 at 09:11
See also http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/22708/ - I don't know whether it counts as a duplicate or not, as the description for this idea is rather vague.

michaeljt wrote on the 1 Dec 09 at 09:27
Forgot to say - idea #22708 mentioned above is "Make Digikam the default image manipulation tool in Ubuntu 10.04".

Tom Mann wrote on the 2 Dec 09 at 11:24
Solution #16 Haha! However if anyone got Paint.NET working on Ubuntu with Mono I'd jump at it!

DaVince wrote on the 3 Dec 09 at 00:01
#6 sounds good. It's a lot more power the user gets during installation without sacrificing the ease of installing Ubuntu. The fact that you would be able to select software before Ubuntu is installed would also mean you could remove software you don't want and have an usable system much sooner on a clean install + opening the package manager.

I'd also like to suggest that if this is implemented, it would be nice to save the list of selected packages to an external device or perhaps the /home folder so doing a fresh install with the same selected applications becomes even quicker and easier.

Pierre Chef wrote on the 3 Dec 09 at 16:00
Solution #14 is clever, logical.

Like Solution #18, i like kpaint, but you need kde libs and it will be very heavy.

loveandequalityforall wrote on the 6 Dec 09 at 03:22
Tuxpaint looks okay as a replacement.

Tom Mann wrote on the 7 Dec 09 at 15:19
Solution #30 should be an idea of it's own!

DrG (Idea reviewer) wrote on the 9 Dec 09 at 05:01
@ Tom Mann - see http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/22563/

neojames wrote on the 9 Dec 09 at 17:33
I like solution 30 as this would fix lodes of problems with things like bring back pidgen. It would also be cool 'cause I can have XAMPP and wine installed be default and no more Mono!

spoob wrote on the 9 Dec 09 at 19:24
Tools need high bandwidth (Transmission & other download tool) not on cd, low bandwidth programms (Evolution e.g.) on cd

NomadDemon wrote on the 16 Dec 09 at 01:42
leave gimp alone, delete tomboy and evolution[thunderbird is better, it holds settings in HOME, evolution DOESNT]

chiefeagle02 wrote on the 9 Jan 10 at 22:10
I really liked Suggestion 5. I was thinking GNU Paint could work. It's a tiny program so size on the CD wouldn't be an issue, leaving room for other things. It's supported by Canonical, so quality assurance is taken care of. Lastly, some articles on the internet have suggested an answer to Paint.Net be made for Ubuntu. While it's missing a few features from Paint.Net, GNU Paint is still a decent substitute for those who just want to doodle around (get it?) for a few minutes.

cheesehead (Brainstorm admin) wrote on the 7 Jul 11 at 18:25
A great forum topic, but 18 months past the event, so I'm closing it.


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