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Idea #2168: Remove vim-tiny from default install and use vim instead

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Written by kisscoolkiller the 1 Mar 08 at 13:38. Category: System. Related project: Nothing/Others. Status: Not an idea
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vim-tiny is a bad editor in which we can't correctly use arrows keys !
Please replace it by the default version of vim...
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Written by kisscoolkiller the 1 Mar 08 at 13:38.
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cheesehead (Brainstorm admin) wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 13:41
sudo apt-get install vim

Not hard.

No reason to change default.

salutis wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 18:23
I vote for vim-gnome package.

AndrewC wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 18:41
Vim-tiny is really terrible and I got frustrated trying to figure out why it didn't include any documentation. I know this is pretty insignificant, but it would be nice...

ebrahim wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 22:23
I am a KDE user, so I vote for 'vim' and against 'vim-gnome'.

KeyserSoze93 wrote on the 5 May 08 at 19:42
There's no reason not to include vim full!

It has me frustrated for ages thinking I had my keyboard layout set wrong or something...

tgape wrote on the 4 Jun 08 at 03:35
I've tried sudo apt-get install vim, as well as sudo apt-get install vim-full. They didn't work.

Tonight, I think I found out why: it seems that vim depends on ctags, which is a virtual package that contains one option. Because it's a virtual package, it apparently won't automatically resolve the dependency.

Aptitude also failed to resolve the vim-scripts dependency, although I don't know why. When I tagged that one, it had two dependencies (libtemplate-perl, perlsgml) which aptitude had failed to resolve. Aptitude resolved the dependency for libtemplate-perl on its own, and perlsgml's dependency was already installed.

This shouldn't be that difficult. At no point in this did I have to make any choices on *which* package to use to resolve a dependency, and even if such a choice had to be made, it should be possible for apt-get to either ask or choose an intelligent default (that is, something other than vim-tiny.)

yantaq wrote on the 7 Jul 08 at 08:55
that thing happend to me, and I thought some settings was wrong until i googled this page. i tried these.
sudo aptitude install vim-common
but nothing changed, then did
sudo aptitdue remove vim-common
after above cmd, i couldn't enter vi either.
i tried
sudo aptitude install vim
it installed the full one that i could set up the options that
is not supported in tinyy version. i know it doesn't make sense but it worked perfectly. :)

jez9999 wrote on the 18 Oct 09 at 17:36
I've voted this up.

I can't believe Ubuntu still doesn't install vim by default, and you're actually defending this. apt-get install vim may be easy, but it's also *unnecessary*. What if you don't happen to be connecetd to the internet at the time? You're pretty screwed.

vim is relatively small, and should be installed by default. vi, which IS installed, is ancient and much worse; it doesn't even support using the arrow keys properly in insert mode (inserts the letters ABCD instead). You install much bigger things than vim by default (eg. Firefox, e-mail client, X), so why on earth not vim? For that matter, install vim instead of vi, and do an alias vi=vim by default. Geeeez.

iconoclastes wrote on the 3 Jul 11 at 15:35
I don't have a strong opinion about the default. Installing vim is easy enough. If you won't be connected, grab the .deb, put it on a stick.

I'm an old VI user, and VIM is great.

I just wanted to say, if you're using the arrow keys a lot, you missed the idea. You can do all you want w/out moving from home row (mostly).

Kirby wrote on the 14 Sep 11 at 23:53
People who say "install it" are missing the point. If that was the criterion Ubuntu would be bare-bones.

This is truly an essential editor that most distros include. Even Apple, which has an obvious focus on the desktop user, would not cut down vim to save a few K. Seriously, if we've moved on to DVD images now, then this is a glaring and unjustified omission.

Vahan Harutyunyan (Brainstorm moderator) wrote on the 25 Nov 11 at 14:25
The Ubuntu Desktop Team ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam ) decides what goes onto the Desktop CD. Please direct your suggestion to this team.

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