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Several people have requested these already.
FYI-
[Ctrl]+[Alt]+L will lock your screen
[Ctrl]+[Alt]+D will toggle your desktop (min/max all)
(At least in Gnome.)
No- this isn't the same as Windows, but just as effective once you get used to it.
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cosmic
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 05:12
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Indeed, I have gotten used to that. My wife, on the other hand, hasn't.
I tried to see if this idea was submitted before and couldn't find it here. Can you send me a link of them so I can read them?
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hackel
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 05:28
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System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
You can set them to anything you like.
I very much do NOT think we should be trying to emulate Windows. Not because I'm automatically anti-Windows, but the point here is to continue to make the best operating system possible, and ignore the competition entirely.
FYI--I believe KDE has this feature, at least it used to ages ago when I used it last. It had a wizard that launched the first time you logged in to configure all these settings.
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Sorry cosmic- I actually didn't see your specific idea. I was hung up on the 2-dozen or so "Make the Windows Key Work!" posts.
The search system for Brainstorm doesn't work very well right now. Hopefully they will improve it.
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cosmic
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 05:54
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To the point of making the best operating system possible, I reference Linus's most recent interview where he discussed users' perception of computers. When an windows user sits down at a computer, they expect it to behave like windows. If it doesn't they think something is wrong.
While I share you want for Ubuntu, or Linux in general, to be the best regardless of convention, we must acknowledge that conventions like the windows button have become the norm for many users. So having a windows preset for key bindings is a good first step in providing a more windows-like user experience for users.
Also, while you can change the key bindings for some of the shortcuts, we're currently limited to one key binding for the "Super" key (the windows key). I have no idea why. There is an brainstorm idea for that floating around here somewhere.
So in summary, I'm proposing that all of the windows keybindings be collected into a present that users can optionally turn on so that they can give themselves a more windows-like user experience.
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It seems like overhauling the Keyboard Shortcuts system would fix a lot of issues for a lot of people. It could be a hardware issue though, and is probably something outside of Ubuntu's scope.
Having re-trained myself on desktop Linux, and being a long-time Linux supporter- a big part of me agrees with Hackel. Ubuntu shouldn't be Windows. However- in order for it to be accepted by the masses, it almost -has- to work like Windows, because that's what the majority of people are currently using.
As a counter-point though- I'm willing to bet more than 80% of the Windows users out there don't use keyboard shortcuts at all. It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't even use CTRL+C and CTRL+V.
I suppose some kind of "Windows Experience" (or maybe "Redmond Experience" to avoid trademark issues) option could be added to the install or at least made a menu item.
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cosmic
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 06:14
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There's no reason why we can't have it both ways. Allow windows key bindings to work but provide better hints, documentation, and tutorials for the Ubuntu way.
This is something that is additive to Ubuntu, not destructive. It's a key user issue for many people and should not be ignored because others don't see its value. Add it, and you gain the confidence of a segment of users. Users who may find the Ubuntu keyboard shortcut conventions to be more useful.
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cosmic
wrote on the 1 Mar 08 at 06:16
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As posted elsewhere:
Meta + E = Open Nautilus
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I'd like to see in Ubuntu embedded Keyboard Shortcuts Sets: "MacOs", "Windows", etc.
SO, a new user can just choose a set which is convenient to him...
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If you want these, you can make them work yourself using xbindkeys. Read up on it.
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cosmic
wrote on the 3 Mar 08 at 14:16
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How is this idea a duplicate of #692? That one calls for shortcut consistency. Mine calls for the creation of shortcut presets to make the user experience closer to established Windows (and I should also include others) conventions.
That's like saying apples and oranges are the same because their both fruit.
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> I'd like to see in Ubuntu embedded Keyboard Shortcuts
> Sets: "MacOs", "Windows", etc.
> SO, a new user can just choose a set which is convenient
> to him...
I like that idea. Some say that part of Firefox' initial success was due to Mozilla incorporating IE & Opera shortcuts in their browsers. Newcomers immediately feel at home (I know I did).
Now I'm not saying we should change the default Gnome keyboard behavior. But i do believe that a substantial portion of new Ubuntu users are people who come from one of the two big proprietary OS'es. That change is big enough as it is (interesting article here: http://www.linux.com/feature/129757). If we can ease that transition it might just increase Ubuntu's success rate a notch or two.
In practice what I'd like to see is the ability to choose a set of keyboard shortcuts during install time, at the first login session and/or as soon as the user tries to use a non-default shortcut (e.g. WIN + E).
Mockup:
How would you like to have your keyboard shortcuts configured? Please note you can always change this later on at system > preferences > keyboard shortcuts.
[X] Ubuntu (default)
[ ] Windows
[ ] OSX
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