http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/203/
Maybe a page with random ideas?

And remove the grades if not specifically requested, since it will affect peoples voting.

[2709 votes] Solution #1: Auto-generated solution of idea #203


]]> en-us Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:28:11 +0000 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:40:08 +0000 QAPoll module http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/203/ Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:39:07 +0000 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:43:10 +0000 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:43:47 +0000
That way we can se new popular now, what is new and the top 100 projects.

And think also why you have this brainstorm? It should maybe be a way for people to find projects that they want to participate in, not just a list of good ideas.
First get the ideas popular -> then make an entry for people to participate in those projects.

If there is no connection between those two, we will just get a most popular list. That is cool too, but getting people to work is great and improves Ubuntu way more. Like: sign up for testing, sign up to be a developer, sign up to become the project manager?]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:49:38 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:56:01 +0000
Also, this means you would never be able to see the score of an idea which you feel neutral about. For example, I don't think that Fingerprint recognition is a bad idea, but I know I'll never use it and I think that the developers should spend more time on something else, meaning I don't want to vote it up or down.

For these reasons, I'm clicking the down arrow on this idea.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:57:58 +0000
The structure of this site blurs the brainstorm and idea selection process.

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That way it isn't the same ideas in the most popular section]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:01:05 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:16:15 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:42:59 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:53:31 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:48:45 +0000
However, how about some metric approximately like score per sqrt(number of impressions)? That would help favour new ideas that have had good support since being introduced. ]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:16:29 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:08:38 +0000
Start off with marginal ideas.

You can have a few boxes with "largest movers" etc as well to show ideas with momentum.

But it shouldn't just be auto sorted to most popular. If 90% of people like it then it's probably allready a brilliant idea.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:12:23 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:14:13 +0000
A while ago, Ideastorm changed its front page so that instead of simply listing most popular stories, it sorted stories by some esoteric algorithm. While it does allow newer stories to gain exposure, it is quite annoying to never be able to see the ideas in simple popularity order.

Including upcoming ideas is always good, but please also provide the visitors with the option of viewing a list based simply on popularity.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:48:42 +0000
But it seems we will have to put it earlier than expected, due to the incredible success of the website!

Anyone have experience with digg-like algorithm? I will eventually figure out an algorithm, but some experience return would help :)]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:28:21 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:38:16 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:53:02 +0000
Of course, anyway, you should sometimes dig further to find unpopular ideas that may be interesting, but you're always free to do so.

But yes, indeed, sorting should take in account popularity, total number of votes, and date(s)]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:47:19 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:20:43 +0000
There's need for a "> Browse ideas" menu choice where you can select ordering by the idea scores, but also with "don't show items already voted on." A couple more selections for browse could be "show downvoted items" and "show upvoted items" and sorting for all of the various idea selections by score/submission date/# of votes in the last 7 days/# of votes in last 24 hours/etc.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:56:57 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:58:07 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:02:22 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:07:01 +0000
Left: The latest additions or random ideas
Right: Most Popular

Right now too much screen real estate is being used by one column, this would make it more readable and give the user more items to look at up front.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:52:20 +0000
I think there should still be an option to list the most popular ideas, but it shouldn't be the default one.

I suggest an option called Random Ideas, in addition to the most popular and latest ideas.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:18:12 +0000
Thus highly rated ideas would show up often, and ones not yet highly rated would still occasionally appear. But glancing at the page would show all ideas on equal footing for fair evaluation.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:00:59 +0000 And there should be a purely random sorting as the default, it would make it FAR more fair than it is now. ]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:45:50 +0000
That said, I do think there needs to be someway to ensure good ideas don't get lost. New ideas that happen to show up on a busy day should be OK, and bad ideas will be kill quickly or lost, which is OK as well. However, good ideas that go off the "recent" page before being seen by enough people will also get lost, and so there needs to be something to put older ideas back in the front for review occasionally. I expect the same mechanism to allow old, bad ideas to get demoted significantly to be removed, which is nice from a cleanliness stand point.]]> Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:51:04 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:34:01 +0000 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:05:36 +0000 Also I support hiding the grades. They influence people's votes]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:52:41 +0000
I suggest not presenting ideas in numerical order but randomly to each user coupled with not showing the same idea twice (in the list regardless of whether the user chooses to vote or click on it)

Selecting 'Most Popular' and other lists would, of course, show you ideas regardless of whether you had seen them before.

The 'latest ideas' button should be got rid of completely.
There is nothing inherently better or more worthy of my time about an idea that was posted 5 minutes ago as opposed to one that was posted 5 days ago which I havent read yet.

And finally ... once an idea has been shown in the lists of a set number of people (1000? 10,000? ) then it is retired. After all it has had enough chance to get votes +/-, showing it endlessly to more people cannot be statistically significant.]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:38:01 +0000
If they are ranked by newest, you don't know if that idea is already in the site. 95% of the good mainstream ideas will be on the front page, which is an excellent place to start.

Once the excellent Ubuntu coders get that stuff in line, then we can worry about the other 5%]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:32:06 +0000
(how many positive votes for this idea - how many negative votes for this idea) / (how many votes for all ideas since this idea was posted)

Additionally, I would split the screen into two halves: one half for the most popular ideas, and the other half for the newest ideas.

Note: I've posted the same comment for idea http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/1567/]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:15:37 +0000 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:43:07 +0000 Monkey sees, monkey does.]]> Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:37:01 +0000
I discuss the above plot here: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2447/

Perhaps this image can help you pinpoint problems and propose solutions.]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:47:55 +0000
More that than Categories/tags... some kind of organization system need to be put in place IMHO.

Also something more wiki-like might be a good idea. Once issue is who really takes the time with reading all the comments ?
I certainly doubt a developer has that time.
A page describing the proposal and the other user suggestion that has some rules in how it is laid out could be interesting idea.
Having user discuss is not a bad think but maybe it should be threaded ?

With the current system one person can come at the opening write "suspend/hibernation should be fixed" which get tons of vote and user comments... but that page is not really informative to someones that only has say 10minutes to look at it. There might be a technical user who made a really good remark but it will be most in the all the comments...

Just some though (maybe not very well laid out)... anyway I hope to see some improvement in the system as time passes.]]> Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:06:59 +0000 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:31:32 +0000 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:23:14 +0000 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:41:05 +0000 ]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:28:39 +0000 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:12:43 +0000
I second that opinion.
Total number of wotes is important.

Say 1000 people think something is a good idea, and 1003 think it is a bad idea. The total is a puny "-3"! That issue is probably highly controversial to the community and worthy of quite a bit of attention. Perhaps it is due to a common misconception and Ubuntu needs to clarify the issue better to the community?]]> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:33:34 +0000 The scores should be kept hidden until after you vote. I've read Surowiecki's _Wisdom of Crowds_ as well. He says that in order to get the least biased results from a group, have everybody think about the problem for as long as possible before sharing with everyone else. Otherwise, people tend to anchor to the first (or first few) suggestions.

I find myself agreeing with the +/- direction of the votes about 98% of the time. Do I naturally agree with the crowd that often? No, I'm being biased by the score.

It diminishes the power of this resource.]]> Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:29:47 +0000
The status of this idea is inaccurate and deceptive because it has not been implemented.

Voting decisions continue to be biased.]]> Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:46:38 +0000
As a result, I think that voting should be disabled on any page that is sorted in *any* fashion. (I recognize this eliminates the avalanche-like "Digg-effect", but I personally feel that's a good thing.) Perhaps have a section along the right-edge of every page that has a completely random selection of ideas for voting. This way you can still browse well-sorted and categorized ideas (with voting disabled), but be exposed to a random pool for voting.

The Digg-effect is great when the goal is just about finding a constant stream of vaguely interesting stuff. But that's not what this is about: we're trying to find the *best*. So the idea of sorting ideas based on "vote velocity" (up votes)/(time posted) is solid, but only if the popularity-content element is eliminated.]]> Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:34:25 +0000 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:40:08 +0000