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Idea #20171: Keep current GNOME interface, instead of using GNOME Shell

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Written by Linux-user the 7 Jun 09 at 16:39. Related project: Gnome. Status: Not an idea
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The developers of GNOME are thinking about changing their interface. They want to replace the current interface (top panel and bottom panel) with something they call GNOME Shell. This new interface will have a bar on the top called "Activities". The old menu called "Applications" will be gone and you'll have to type the name of the application to start this application.

Screenshots:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screenshots

I really don't like this new interface and I've seen many other people complaining about this new interface.
Tags: 30 GNOME Shell

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Solution #1: Keep the current panels
Written by Linux-user the 7 Jun 09 at 16:39.
Why does GNOME has to start developing a completely new interface? Let them first finish the current one. Let them first solve those thousands of bugs which are in GNOME for more than several years (to give some examples: icons on the desktop are still overlapping each other, in Nautilus it's still impossible to lasso files in List View, in Nautilus it's still impossible to create a new directory from the right mouse button in List View if there are more items in the directory than fit on the screen).

Those guys keep on adding new features and now they want to introduce a completely new interface. Finish the something before starting something new. Fix bugs before adding new features.
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Solution #2: Allow the user to decide - add as menu/appearance option
Written by tuxxy the 7 Jun 09 at 22:10.
In future GNOME releases users should be able to choose either the GNOME shell design or be able to revert back to the standard panel GNOME layout. This new design feature could be added as a menu or appearance option to accommodate the users who prefer the old standard GNOME layout.

Not providing this option could alienate some users and force them to adopt a new desktop environment.
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Solution #3: gnome shell should take profit from wide-screen displays
Written by yzarc the 8 Jun 09 at 00:12.
the screens is getting wider and wider but gnome seems to don't care about it and gnome shell looks like is in the same way. two horizontal bars also in the gnome shell and even harder to customize.

gnome should profit the opportunity of a brand new interface concept to improve the use of wide-screen. Let the top and button area free and use the side parts (optionally), it is impossible with the current gnome interface, nothing work properly.
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Solution #4: Use Gnome Shell, but make things more discoverable
Written by Endolith the 11 Jun 09 at 16:26.
Gnome Shell looks like an improvement. Searching for activities or documents is better and faster than menus if you know what you're looking for. But searching only works if you know the name of the thing you're searching for. The traditional hierarchical navigation is better suited for when you know what you want to do, but don't know what program does it.

There should still be categories, and you should be able to see them in the search results and navigate through them if you type their names. Applications should be assigned to multiple categories as appropriate, like Totem could be in both "Audio" and "Video".

Searching should work on both the application name and the program's description, as well as synonyms, so you can find Firefox by searching for "web browser", for instance.

With an empty search box, something needs to be shown to help the user get started searching for apps and realize what it's capable of.
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Solution #5: Make the transition smooth
Written by aadityabhatia the 18 Jun 09 at 21:46.
Lobby the folks at Gnome to make the transition as smooth as possible.

1. Take small steps towards the new UI rather than one big leap. Every step should involve a small change.
2. The UI must be intuitive at every step.
3. Do NOT force all the users to use the new UI. Instead, make every change OPTIONAL.

Bottom line is that those who wish to stick to the classic Gnome interface should be allowed to do so until they're ready to move on.
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Solution #6: Take more time for the transition
Written by xfuser4 the 2 Jul 09 at 09:22.
I don't think that its a bad idea to make a "hard" transition between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3.

But I think, that the Gnome people are hurrying too much. It would be better to take enough time to design Gnome 3.

- It would be important to use (paied?) user interface specialists to design Gnome Shell

- It would be important to make great API designs and provide great development tools for Gnome 3
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Solution #7: Talked to people at open-usability.org
Written by xfuser4 the 11 Jul 09 at 09:06.
I'm observing the development process of GNOME Shell. They really gathered lots of ideas on their website from many different people.

Somehow it looks to me, that everybody who has an idea about a new user interface is posting it there. Some of these ideas are perhaps good for the inventor of the idea - but the might be bad for the "ordinary user".

To prevent that GNOME Shell runs into a usability nightmare, it would be wise to bring usability experts to this project. I suggest, that making a link between usability experts (e.g. the guys from open-usability.org) and GNOME Shell would be wise. Even the sponsoring of good usability experts by Canonical would be a great help!

Please remember: whatever GNOME 3.0 will look like - we have to deal with it for the next five years!
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Solution #8: Give GNOME Shell all features of gnome-panel, so nobody can miss gnome-panel
Written by natureflow the 14 Nov 09 at 14:04.
E.g. Port the old application menu to GNOME Shell
There are people who love to start an application without to enter a word.

It should be possible to configure GNOME Shell a way, so you can't distinguish it on a screenshot from the old GNOME Desktop.
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Solution #9: Keep the desktop panels but use Gnome Shell for UNR
Written by Scotchpie the 29 Jan 10 at 10:16.
Gnome shell is a good start at developing an interface for the next generation of computer devices. Those who love the current two panel desktop must consider how practical it is on touch screen and smaller screen devices.

With the launch of the iPad this week all PC manfacturers are going to be producing their own versions and you know that MicroSoft's solution will be to simply stick their existing desktop on them, like they did with netbooks and XP.

The current two panel gnome interface is fine for the dwindling home desktop user and laptop user and Gnome Shell adds no improvement (it may even be a hinderance) but for netbooks and the new breed of touch screen pads/tablets the shell is ideal.

Therefore on the standard Ubuntu distro keep the panels as originally suggested here, but on UNR move to Gnome Shell which is faster, and in my opinion an improvement over the existing UNR interface (I've tried them both and prefer Gnome Shell).
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Solution #10: Ubuntu needs its own desktop.
Written by travisman1994 the 17 Feb 10 at 01:56.
Ubuntu needs its own desktop. They need to base it off of gnome or kde and design it WITH the community of its users. It should change the gnome version to Gubuntu and keep the other buntus as is. Gnome shell is not good for new users. It will confuse them and they will dislike the new look.

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tuxxy (Brainstorm moderator) wrote on the 7 Jun 09 at 22:02
I have always been a fan of the standard interface, hopefully they will include an option to revert back to the classic desktop design in GNOME 3 and not force the new design onto users.

andruk (Idea reviewer) wrote on the 7 Jun 09 at 22:26
Unfortunately Canonical is not in charge of the Gnome project, so the most Canonical can do is try to work with Gnome devs and keep the current layout.

I would be in favor of a compromise between the current layout and the new layout.

yzarc wrote on the 7 Jun 09 at 23:44
I like the behavior of the gnomeshell. I think is better understood by the screencasts in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screencasts

I believe more features will/should be added to the current state to make it more attractive but I can see a great potential.

qbit1 wrote on the 7 Jun 09 at 23:48
Personally, I prefer to have both solutions available in the same time. Sometimes I like to launch an application using its menu but for some applications I like typing its name. But for this last way, I think the best approach is something like the "Executor" application under Windows.

Shady3D wrote on the 8 Jun 09 at 06:40
for me i will wait to see gnomeshell when it is released and i will say my opinion after i try it for a week or more.

ushimitsudoki wrote on the 8 Jun 09 at 08:08
For better or for worse, Ubuntu has chosen GNOME as the "standard".

Therefore, they need to stick closely to GNOME defaults.

fizyk wrote on the 8 Jun 09 at 09:04
After seeing screencast, Gnome Shell looks interesting, however it would be perfect to have the possibility to expand application view into a hierarchical structure ;)

viraptor wrote on the 8 Jun 09 at 18:13
Just a "small" correction:
"and you'll have to type the name of the application to start this application" is not true. Standard program groups will be available for browsing.

viraptor wrote on the 8 Jun 09 at 18:31
To keep my previous comment more specific, there were some app browser mockups done recently:

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/DesignerPlayground/AppBrowsingAlternative02

Gnome-shell is changing every day right now and is in an early alpha state, so complaining that it's not what you want right now is rather silly. If you don't like it, go to the mailing list and post your ideas. Now is the time when almost everything about g-s can be changed, but it's stable enough that it won't kill your dog and family when you try to run it.

MarcioVinicius wrote on the 8 Jun 09 at 21:59
What really got my attention on the screenshot linked in this idea is that things are still huge in gnome! Why are icons and controls so big???

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but about the idea... mmm... I like menus... if I knew the name of programs I would use a terminal. BUT, I guess Gnome shell isn't only about it. (I confess: I didn't ready all links provided here)

Akerbos wrote on the 8 Jun 09 at 22:27
As most new things, Shell should be optional before being standard. Then we can decide.

Darwin Survivor (Brainstorm moderator) wrote on the 9 Jun 09 at 04:18
Wow, that looks amazing. This new layout will definitely benefit those with widescreen monitors.

To this day, gnome is the only window manager, on any platform, that I know of that does not work properly with things put on the sides. Hopefully this new UI will fix that.

TwistedLincoln wrote on the 10 Jun 09 at 18:03
I really, really hope that GNOME 3 allows the current interface to continue as an option-- forever.

If it doesn't, and moves completely to gnome-shell, I'll likely switch the desktop environment of Nexradix to KDE...

GNOME is much simpler and easier for new GNU/Linux users to learn specifically because it isn't radically different than either Windows or MacOS.

Creating a whole new, innovative interface is great as an option, but if forced as the default it will scare away lots and lots of new users.

Endolith wrote on the 11 Jun 09 at 18:32
Why is it called "shell" anyway?

kazagistar wrote on the 12 Jun 09 at 07:15
Is it just me, or do the prototypes/mockups for shell look really ugly, blocky, and cluttered?

Also, I don't see why so much effort is being put into this, compared to other things. Personally, I have been setting up my UI to be as small as possible, so that it only gives basic stats I need in the bar, and using Gnome-Do and the Compiz brand of Expose to launch and manage applications... more effort should be put into making gtk and the various gnome menus text-command-friendly; then Gnome will be able to have a tangible productivity advantage.

asdir wrote on the 12 Jun 09 at 09:09
It should not be a problem to keep the old way (panel etc.) around while still implementing the shell. Doesn't the panel behave like a window in many ways already? (you can even see the task in the panel for a short time sometimes, you can move it with alt+click and so on)
It should not be a problem to add it to the desktop alongside the shell.
So, don't worry guys. All will be fine.

ilmar wrote on the 13 Jun 09 at 09:24
As having a choise is always better than having no one, i think it should be user's decision what interface use. Maybe installation program will ask what GNOME use after installing.

jordm.s wrote on the 15 Jun 09 at 08:49
Obviously GNOME 3.0 is still early in development, but from everything I've seen so far, GNOME Shell looks TERRIBLE! It seems to go against all reason, it appears that you have to dig through lots of menus to do simple tasks that would have taken 2 clicks with the current system. It also seems to be making the assumption that everyone is using multiple workspaces, I can't stand using more than one workspace, I can't see the point in having multiple virtual desktops when everything fits so nicely on a single one. Don't build an entire desktop environment around an assumption that everyone uses a particular feature! I really hope that GNOME 3.0 matures a lot in the near future....

OpenNingia wrote on the 15 Jun 09 at 09:06
The Gnome 2 desktop paradigm was very old and poor of usability, I hope that Gnome Shell will be better :D

yzarc wrote on the 15 Jun 09 at 11:12
the good thing about gnomeshell (I just tested it) is that with a single click in activity or press on you'll have: exposed all you opened programs, list of latest files, list of latest program, menu to open new programs and also a finder. lots of key combinations were substituted by only a . that's great!

The natural drawback is that too much information must have its layout carefully studied. in the current state I think it's still a little mess.

jordm.s, I disagree with you, the gnomeshell start with a single virtual desktop, and the user add more when (iff) he need. It's much better than today that the most of the users have two o more needless virtual desktops and it isn't so natural to add or remove them.

Endolith wrote on the 15 Jun 09 at 15:55
Personally, I have been setting up my UI to be as small as possible, so that it only gives basic stats I need in the bar, and using Gnome-Do and the Compiz brand of Expose to launch and manage applications... more effort should be put into making gtk and the various gnome menus text-command-friendly; then Gnome will be able to have a tangible productivity advantage.

Isn't that very similar to Gnome Shell? They're making the hierarchical menus minimal and relying on text search instead.

As having a choise is always better than having no one,

That's not true. Having too many choices is one of the major disadvantages of running a Linux system.

AmEv wrote on the 17 Jun 09 at 22:11
I personally have 7 different panels running on my computer. I really didn't like how it was hogging up horizontal room.

Menus as follows:
TL: what i call quick access bar
TM: main menu/user swithcher
TR: system meter
CR: notification/volume
BL: Office launcher
BC: window switcher
BR: trash/clock

These are all set to autohide and not expand to take up even less room.
Of course, I personally like this interface.

linuxrules wrote on the 30 Jun 09 at 16:26
some people say the same as I do like "Allow the user to decide" or "let the user decide" or "let user chose" etc.

ikus060 wrote on the 30 Jun 09 at 19:03
I must agree with solution #1. Part of GNOME dev team should focus to polish the existing application. There is so many bugs associate to GNOME applications an no activity at all to fix those. Maybe Ubuntu can be involve more in this sense : fix bugs in GNOME apps ??

dubrict wrote on the 5 Jun 10 at 04:47
My only problem with gnome-shell is the applications menu. I highly prefer a hierarchal structure over what they have now, which is just all the application icons thrown into one folder. Sure, you can just type the name of the application you want to run into the box, but I definitely prefer to not use the keyboard when possible.

If we're measuring usability in terms of mouse clicks, why do keystrokes and the time it takes to position your fingers on the keyboard not seem to matter?

Vahan Harutyunyan (Brainstorm moderator) wrote on the 2 Feb 11 at 12:33
Solution #10:
Unity confirmed as the default desktop interface for Ubuntu 11.04

Vahan Harutyunyan (Brainstorm moderator) wrote on the 21 Sep 11 at 16:32
Ubuntu 11.10 comes with Unity by default and Unity 2D as the fall-back mode. So I think this idea no longer actual.
Closing in Brainstorm.


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