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Idea #19679: Brainstorm is not being moderated properly

Written by AndrewLuecke the 7 May 09 at 03:17. Related project: brainstorm.ubuntu.com. Category: Ideas/comments moderation. Status: Deleted
Rationale
Let's be honest:

1) All the dupes are getting approved. The sandbox seems to have exactly 0% impact on this. It seems as though every idea getting approved is a dupe of another
2) Old ideas Brainstorm V1 ideas are conflicting with new ideas. Most aren't being fixed, and the end result is dozens of ideas, which are technically dupes of solutions of well written problems. These aren't getting fixed
3) Solutions/Rationales which don't make sense, are illogical or based on incorrect/unproven information are being approved. Information isn't being checked for accuracy
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Solution #6: We need more moderators.
Written by Darwin Survivor the 7 May 09 at 17:59.
If we implement negative voting, more moderators should be added so that moderators have more time to properly review each submission.

I think part of the problem is that there are WAY more suggestions than there are mods, so instead of each suggestion getting a good 2-4 minutes of checking (especially for duplicates), the mods only have time to check if it is marginally feasible and completely outlandish.
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Solution #7: Solutions should pass quality standards before approval.
Written by lavinog the 2 Jun 09 at 06:33.
Ideas and solutions should be considered professional proposals.
If a user doesn't want to take the time to clearly present their idea or solution, then the idea must not be that important to them.
Ideas should be written without focus on personal opinions.
Ideas should use proper capitalization, and punctuation so that they can be read clearly.
They should avoid slang, slander, or signs of personal frustration.
Moderators can make small corrections to ideas, but the responsibility should fall on the poster.
A moderator should leave a comment if the quality is in question, and leave it up to the poster to correct any issues.
If the poster does not work to comply with the standards, then the idea will not be approved.

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Solution #8: Anti duplicate rules are way too strictly enforced
Written by vexorian the 2 Jun 09 at 15:16.
Unlike what most people seem to think the intended use for marking something as duplicate is not to stop every single new idea from ever getting added. It is to stop an idea that was already made before from getting added.

It seems right now that mods are doing some very rushed pattern matching before deciding whether something is a duplicate or not:
Wrong way to enforce the duplicate rule:
There is already an idea ("Add a bicycle icon to pidgin emoticons") that contains the words "cycle" and "icon" therefore the idea ["A new install ubuntu icon for each release cycle"] is a duplicate.

Right way to enforce the duplicate rule:
Idea A and idea B mean almost exactly the same, therefore B is a duplicate.

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Solution #9: Embrace the KISS principle and stick to the core principles of brainstorming
Written by stoffel the 8 Dec 09 at 23:26.
Remove most moderation possibilities; only allow moderation of spam and inappropriate language. Spam includes all abusive content and all content that is in no way related to Ubuntu (e.g. an idea titled "Growing roses on dry sandy grounds").

KISS Principle

Limiting moderation possibilities will simplify the website interface, reduce moderation maintenance, and improve productivity of moderators. Additionally, it will increase quantity and reduce "moderation criticism", 2 basic principles of brainstorming. In brainstorming, quantity is more important than quality!

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eierdieb wrote on the 7 May 09 at 20:54
I think its not just a moderating problem - it is more the structure of brainstorm that should be reformed.

mydoghasworms wrote on the 8 May 09 at 15:25
I propose idea #19508 (which, if you compare to this, proves itself :-)

mydoghasworms wrote on the 8 May 09 at 15:26
... as many ideas go in very similar directions.

mydoghasworms wrote on the 8 May 09 at 15:27
... and that goes for the solutions too. (Sorry, I should think through what I'm saying before posting comments).

lavinog wrote on the 30 May 09 at 16:06
+1 for #1

I cannot vote for #2 since I don't know how mods are currently trained. Looking for dupes is not always a trivial task. Checking for accuracy shouldn't be needed if the ideas are not bug reports.

#3 makes sense +1

Although I agree with #4, I think it only applies to bug reports, and ideas as such should be considered invalid.

I agree with #5, but small differences between similar solutions can cause problems if votes are linked. A better solution would be to move those solutions to a centralized idea, and have the original solution point to that idea.

#6: Too many moderators can be a problem too. Consistency between moderators is important. Adding more moderators reduces the consistency

lavinog wrote on the 31 May 09 at 15:15
@AndrewLuecke: ok, I see what you are saying about dupes, what about checking for accuracy? I don't see how ideas can be checked for accuracy. Can you give an example?


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