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wit3k
wrote on the 27 Apr 09 at 08:10
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IE? Who cares about that old, forgotten by world, browser?
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This is ridiculous. People are voting this down despite there being a module that takes 100 secs to install that fixes the problem. Then affected users don't think Ubuntu messed up. There is no good reason NOT to do this.
@wit3K. I tried submitting an idea using my mates work laptop, where firefox and such cannot be installed. Its not like I am requesting the code is fixed to support IE5. I'm simply asking for a friggen warning to be put.
Whatever though. By the sounds of things though, a lot of you have lost the plot. Some of you guys have become so consumed with hating Microsoft that its defining you, and affecting your judgement, as I believe it has yours wit3k.
Especially as this ONLY affects IE users, so there is clearly no reason not to do it.
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Btw.. I'll add that I believe its quite obvious you don't have much experience with linux/usability, because you are obviously scared of Microsoft and care little about what happens as long as you are completely different then MS.
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fizyk
wrote on the 27 Apr 09 at 14:54
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I support Andrew's idea. For one, you could happen to have access only to MS based pc, with mas based browser only. Second thing, if people would search for ubuntu through network they could happen to find that site as well.
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alms66
wrote on the 27 Apr 09 at 16:09
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Solution 1 - I don't see any reason to support anything before IE7. I used IE7 and IE8 on this site and it works fine.
Solution 2 - I'm typing this from work, where I'm not allowed to install software on my computer so I have to use IE, therefore, Firefox is not always the solution.
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McIvor
wrote on the 27 Apr 09 at 23:04
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The 2nd most common criticism I hear of the Linux community is that we are 'too arrogant'. Ubuntu is 'Linux for Human Beings'. When something doesn't work, we can't just say 'Use something else' - we should do everything we can to fix it. Obviously, we can't fix IE - it will always be broken. However, we can provide a warning to users - more than Microsoft does, anyway (it sometimes seems they think if you are not using their software, you don't deserve to be on a computer).
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FFS alms66. NO.. I NEVER SAID SUPPORT IE.. When did I say that? Are you that daft that when you see something Microsoft related you are unable to concentrate and finish reading the idea. Its quite self explanatory. Where exactly did I say "lets fix the theme so that it runs on IE4.0".. I DIDN'T.
In fact, Solution #1 is about adding a warning which redirects you to another browser, and changing the viewing to black and white, so that they get the point.
Solution #2 - Irrelevent. Does not solve the problem. The problem is that people who go here with IE (even via google, on a work laptop), will believe that brainstorm is inoperable.
Solution #3 - I guess its kind of a dupe of #1, except no browsesad mode. As the drupal plugin is the same between them, switching between #1 and #3 is a 1 second job.
And yes, I need to crack down on brainstorm idiocy again.
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grofaty
wrote on the 29 Apr 09 at 17:19
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This should be reported as bug in Launchpad and not as idea in brainstorm.
I also had the same problem few weeks ago. I used Ubuntu notebook that was not part of the internet network, but I had some old Windows computer that was using IE6 and when I got some idea on ubuntu I tried to share it with Windows IE6 browser and got a surprise - non-working brainstorm in IE6.
It was not a big problem at all, I just connected to internet with computer using IE7 and report an idea.
Probably #1 is not a bad idea. Just check the browser version and display something like "Please use newer version of Internet Explorer" or "Your browser is too old to correctly display this web page" or something like that.
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grofaty
wrote on the 29 Apr 09 at 17:23
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By the way, please stop anti M$ war. Brainstorm is not the place for making bad will, it is intend to make good will and to have ideas how to improve Ubuntu related topics.
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Well, in all reality it may well be that IE is the problem. If their non-standards-compliant browser is not able to properly render a standards-compliant page, then the impetus is on their development staff to make their browser compliant. Oh, wait. IE 8 is finally compliant and it does work with the page in question. Hmmm... sounds like solution 4 (Fix It) has finally been addressed by the folks who had the power to do so.
And in defence of my controversial statement ("Take that, IE elitist developers...") and as a long time (ten year) Opera user, it's about time someone turned the tables on developers who write pages for a broken browser (IE) and then advise users not using that specific broken browser (IE) that they would be better off using a broken browser (IE). The difference in this stance which I propose would be that we would be promoting two browsers which are not broken and which are very much standards-compliant.
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Thats why I doubt that we should add CSS hacks and such.. People should upgrade to IE8, and supporting out of date browsers certainly wont encourage people and businesses to do so.
However, the main problem here, is that "there is no warning". So people will come here with an out of date browser, it wont work, but because there is no warning as to why it doesn't work, they will think the site is dead.
Its about feedback. In fact, Brainstorm should probably warn against using ancient versions of firefox, opera, etc too anyway (as it likely wont run on those either)
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saivann
(Brainstorm moderator)
wrote on the 4 May 09 at 20:12
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Please avoid personal attacks, a few comments were removed.
This idea have the right to exist, if you disagree, please vote down. If you want to let a constructive comment (positive or not), please post it. But saying to other people that they are idiot is a good exemple of what is not tolerated. Thanks.
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cubytus
wrote on the 9 May 09 at 18:23
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I agree there's absolutely no point in making dirty hacks to make any perfectly standards-compliant website work with any non standard browser, and that includes IE.
If you can't install anything on your work Win-based machine, what are you doing on Ubuntu's website instead of working, in the first place?
Second, the best solution would be putting a browser detection script when entering Ubuntu Brainstorm, which would basically say something like:
"This website won't display correctly in the browser you're using (Name browser here) because it's not standards compliant.
For best results, download an updated version of browser (name browser here) from website (link to the exact page here).
Click here to continue without updating"
Hotmail puts out such a page when one tries to access their page with a browser that's not officially supported. But the good point is, it's slightly annoying, but one can easily make one more click to go past this warning page.
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