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Idea #19139: Helping with art in Ubuntu is not accessible

Written by baldurpet the 10 Apr 09 at 15:35. Related project: wiki.ubuntu.com. Status: New
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I'm an artist and I'd really like to help with some of the Ubuntu art projects, problem is I had to visit around 3 different sites clicking on some 8 different links to get there and then I had to subscribe to a mailing list
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Solution #1: Make it easier to submit to Ubuntu
Written by baldurpet the 10 Apr 09 at 15:35.
I understand why a mailing list is important, but what if someone just wants to be issued (for a lack of a better word) commands? I suggest something that's easy to access, a to-do pile if you will.

1. You click "Get Involved" on the Ubuntu front page
2. You click "Design"
3. Then you should see a big button saying "Click here to see projects you can participate with"
4. When you click that button you'd see a table with something like "We need a new icon for the Pidgin Internet Manager" or "A new logo for Kubuntu", and next to it would be a "Submit your idea" button.
The ideas could appear underneath the problem so users can easily see what ideas people have submitted.

You can _still keep the old way_, but this way people that can't be bothered with subscribing to a mailing list can simply submit their pictures.
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Solution #2: point 5. of Solution#1
Written by fred_t the 12 Apr 09 at 06:42.
It would be possible to vote for submitted proposals. Designing the "new Kubuntu logo" would be great, even better if you get a lot of votes. Many designers would see that as a good challenge or an excellent way to contribute to the movement. Most of all, the Ubuntu design would be influenced by users.
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Solution #3: Export/import
Written by Basem the 13 Apr 09 at 10:42.
Why not create an export button in the appearance window...A user will be able to create and customise a look. colour, icons, wallpaper, font etc...then he can extract it to a single tarball...other users who wish to use his look can import this tarball and further customise it...
This file can also include extras such as screensaver, transparency, etc...
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Solution #4: Export to gnome-look
Written by baldurpet the 13 Apr 09 at 13:19.
Why not combine solution #1 and #3 and let users export their look to the theme repository?

The user would simply need to make a custom theme, name it and then click "Submit/export to gnome-look". Then Ubuntu would ask the user for a username and password, and it would be up in no time. The only problem I see with this solution is that gnome-look might be flooded with themes that are either very ugly or themes where someone takes the Human-Clearlooks and implements some minor change (like only changing the colour slightly).
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Solution #5: Constant Artwork Competition
Written by bagano the 19 Apr 09 at 18:59.
Why not have a site like this one, dedicated to the artwork and look/feel of ubuntu.

1. Allow anyone to submit artwork.
2. Allow them to specify a particular use for it, or leave it general.
3. Allow people to vote and comment on the artwork, just like this site.
4. Get Ubuntu developers to look at the most popular artwork, and consider it for ubuntu.
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Solution #6: Use Launchpad
Written by itix the 20 Apr 09 at 13:39.
Launchpad works really great with translations (I know, I've been translating deluge to swedish there), why not use it for artwork as well...

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sayakb (Brainstorm admin) wrote on the 10 Apr 09 at 16:14
Design page points to the artwork team wikipage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork

If you feel that the page lacks relevant information, you may also contact the team directly at #ubuntu-artwork and request addition of the same.

fred_t wrote on the 10 Apr 09 at 23:38
As an Industrial Designer wanting to help, I faced the same problem. I agree with you. I think Ubuntu is probably losing very good design concepts due to the lack of accessibility. I personally tried twice to participate by communicating my desire to help, but nobody paid attention.

Endolith wrote on the 11 Apr 09 at 03:07
Helping with anything in open source is not accessible. There are five million hoops to jump through just to get a spelling error fixed in an application.

baldurpet wrote on the 11 Apr 09 at 18:28
@ Endolith
Well why should it be that hard? Are you saying it's good that people jump through 5m hoops to help??

Are you saying losing valuable workers because of a difficult process is a good thing?

Endolith wrote on the 12 Apr 09 at 02:48
Where did I say it was good? :) I'm saying that this applies to much more than just art. Anyone who wants to contribute to any part of open source has to do a lot of work just in preparation. We need to lower the barriers.

baldurpet wrote on the 12 Apr 09 at 04:44
Oops, right you are. You never said it was a good thing, I should really read comments before I start my little rants =D

Yes, absolutely. My mom is a programmer, but she's very impatient and wants things to work right away or else she'll lose interest. Every time I think "is this accessible enough?" I ask myself whether my mom would bother with it

KhaaL wrote on the 12 Apr 09 at 10:46
it would be cool if launchpad would have this functionality. You can already administrate bugs and translations there, so why not art too?

baldurpet wrote on the 12 Apr 09 at 12:09
@ KhaaL
Oh that's a very good idea! Keeping everything related to Ubuntu at the same place and making it easy to improve..
I'm sure that it would pay off in a few months.

I just want to add that when I say "issue commands" I was talking about telling the participant what is needed.

If we go back to KhaaL's idea then think of it this way; Launchpad has a 'to-do' list of strings that need to be translated for every language and a 'to-do' list of bugs that need to be fixed- I would like to see Launchpad store a list of artwork (icons, wallpapers, logos etc.) that need to be drawn and it is imperative that suggesting ideas be as easy as translating or submitting bug reports to Launchpad!

Basem wrote on the 14 Apr 09 at 07:00
The problem with exporting to GnomeLook is that Gnome look will eventually contain alot of semi finished uncompleted looks...
The purpose of exporting and importing is to be able to backup ur look and restore it later...or maybe simply sharing it with friends...

baldurpet wrote on the 14 Apr 09 at 16:06
Yeah, I pointed it out in solution #4 but I wanted to submit it anyway to see what people thought

Endolith wrote on the 14 Apr 09 at 16:23
The problem with exporting to GnomeLook is that Gnome look will eventually contain alot of semi finished uncompleted looks...

That wouldn't be so bad if there were a way for each to be part of a revision tree. Like you take the default Human theme and modify it, and it shows up as a variant of Human, then someone else modifies yours, and it shows up in the tree below that...

There could be voting on which variants are high quality to separate the good from the bad, etc.

Probably not something GnomeLook is capable of, though. Maybe it needs a new website specifically for this.

baldurpet wrote on the 14 Apr 09 at 17:33
@ Endolith
That is actually a good idea!
It might be a little difficult to implement but other than that it sounds, then if one theme e.g. has a lot of branches you can tell that it must be a pretty good theme (just like Ubuntu has around 20-30 branches so there must be something people like about it)

Endolith wrote on the 15 Apr 09 at 14:55
then if one theme e.g. has a lot of branches you can tell that it must be a pretty good theme

Maybe. :) Really, it would just show that lots of people have it. Obviously Human would have tons of branches since it's the default, for instance. My idea was that this would:

1. Reduce the number of themes you have to look through. They'd all be "variants" of a base theme, so there would just be a list of base themes to navigate through, instead of a list of thousands of themes that only vary slightly from each other.
2. Show relationships between themes, instead of just arbitrary rankings. So if everyone likes theme A, but then someone makes an improved version theme B, and everyone who downloads B likes it better than A, then the site should show this somehow. It should hide A and only display B as an updated version of A.

Like on Slashdot, there are huge discussion threads with many branches, and they use an algorithm to only display the best comments and hide the rest. If you're interested in a certain comment that you see in this "wide" view, you can then drill down and view the discussion surrounding it that was previously hidden.

Similarly, if you like a certain theme, you can drill down and view others that are related to it.

I'm just trying to think of a way to separate the good from the bad.

I made a similar proposal for similar proposal for Mozilla Ubiquity.

philip wrote on the 5 May 09 at 23:53
It makes sense to have a general system to accommodate bug reports, enhancement requests, code patches and artwork


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