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Idea #18949: Ubuntu is unusable after Windows installation

Written by Hetor the 31 Mar 09 at 12:57. Category: Accessibility. Related project: Nothing/Others. Status: New
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After you install Windows on a computer with Ubuntu installed (NOT on the same partition!), damn windoze just blows up Ubuntu's boot loader. That prevents user from booting Ubuntu. I myself think that windoze sucks, but I still want to try out Windows 7!

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Solution #1: Create a "Reinstall boot menu" option for installation disk
Written by Hetor the 31 Mar 09 at 12:57.
Create an option for installation disk that will install just Ubuntu's boot menu to make Ubuntu accessible after Windows installation.
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Solution #2: Create a "Restore Ubuntu after Windows installation" option
Written by stoffel the 31 Mar 09 at 21:39.
So, similar as the first solution, but with these differences:
* people do not understand "boot menu"
* it puts focus on the fact that the Windows installer is crap that can break the user's system, whilst at the same time pointing out Ubuntu has the tools to fix this crap
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Solution #3: LiveCD should autodetect grub vs. MBR
Written by cheesehead the 31 Mar 09 at 21:50.
LiveCD should check for an existing MBR or grub, and offer to reinstall grub only if the LiveCD finds an MBR or broken grub
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Solution #4: Make a DUPLICATE of the mbr and place an option in boot.ini and vista bootmgr
Written by supermorph the 3 Apr 09 at 18:26.
as an option as WELL as placing grub into mbr , i would suggest Making a DUPLICATE of the mbr and place the mbr file in windows boot.ini and the vista bootmgr menu's (should windows be located in the install)

i had to re-do somebodys system, they was very dubious on linux (they had another distro and it didnt do wireless, so they over generalised and thought gnu/linux as a whole was not good) and i suggested to fix thier pc,
they left it with me, so i put thier media-centre xp first, all thier apps how they liked, installed a hidden user for me, and installed jaunty 9.04 at the end of the hdd, and made the users exactly like the xp, (both with firefox, and wine 4 ubuntu) i also took the liberty of extracting the installed mbr of ubuntu to a file "ubuntu.mbr" i called it, and placed it into thier xp partition (hidded,system applied) and added a menu "Ubuntu Linux" to thier boot.ini as the second option, i then proceeded to make a recovery image of this setup and put it to four dvd's with all of the dvd's bootable to a registered acronis 8 personal of myne, so if they restore it will ALWAYS work, and if they need whats on there they can remove the mbr and STILL use ubuntu (or put it back if they ask how to do it)

mabye this could be done, and add an option to restore this mbr file to the hdd in recovery mode on the live/alt disks?

sorry for the long post, but i think it will actually help because of the way i done things, theres no way ubuntu cannot be run in that configuration.

kind regards
supermorph
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Solution #5: Create Downloadable Recovery CD
Written by jamesisin the 7 Apr 09 at 06:32.
Create an ISO available to Ubuntu users (linked probably in the Help menu &c) which has been set up specifically for repairing version x.y of Ubuntu.

(Part of my "Keep the installer trim" philosophy.)

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kreep wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 17:52
actually it's preatty easy to reinstall grub boot sector after installing windows - and there're lots of howtos on the 'net to help with that. then again, a newbie might have trouble doing that, anyway. +1

andruk (Idea reviewer) wrote on the 1 Apr 09 at 05:22
I don't think non-technical people should be forced to hop on the net and solve technical issues - that's what we're here for. Open source software shouldn't suck, and open source software should deal with other software that sucks in the most graceful and appropriate manner possible.

Working around MS's crap is a good thing. Advertising it kind of seems passive-aggressive to me, so the words should be carefully chosen.

briceparent wrote on the 1 Apr 09 at 08:04
I disagree with #2 because we may want to restore GRUB even if there was no problem with Windows (or if it's not installed at all).
I also disagree because i don't understand why we should explicitly point out Windows problems, while everybody knows that there are some (or many). I don't use Ubuntu because it's not Windows. I use it because it's the OS i prefer.
A last thing is that Ubunutu is Free Software. For what reason should it show Windows Trademark at the first page when we use a liveCD?

Pizdec wrote on the 2 Apr 09 at 08:36
+1 for the first solution (it needs user interaction, though).
-1 for #2 and #3.

supermorph wrote on the 3 Apr 09 at 18:39
i partially agree with andruk on the (hop online note)
because not all people can afford more than one computer
and may not have the luxury of such ability to hop online
to find the answers they need.
and if they have only one computer (or similar situation) they might not be able to do that.

the suse gang (pre-enterprise editions etc) came up with a good idea, booting up the installer,
and having a (repair my os option) which looked at installed applications , startup (grub,x,kde/gnome/etc etc) and configuration files and automatically fixed the installed os to a running-as-new-ish state. (it didnt reinstall apps on older versions of suse "8.x" certainly didnt, but v9 & higher reinstalled over the top "similar to a ms upgrade over same version install")

mabye having a look into this could help newbies and sysadmins by doing it as automatic?

seshomaru samma wrote on the 4 Apr 09 at 02:15
I think this is a non-issue
If someone tries to dual boot Windows and Linux they are by definition a 'technological person'.
Google "reinstall grub after windows" and you'll find the answer.

jamesisin wrote on the 7 Apr 09 at 06:31
Related: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19067/


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