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Idea #18932: Remove Rythmbox as library player

Written by ciplogic the 30 Mar 09 at 14:13. Related project: Live CD. Status: New
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Rhythmbox remains mainly the same for years. Almost no updates and for sure it did not get the attention that Totem has. But Totem is inefficient of keeping a music library even have a save/load list.

Note: "In March 2009 the current maintainer announced that he would cease development on Rhythmbox after the next 0.12 release. Some bugs will continue to be fixed, but no active development will take place." (Wikipedia) So rhythmbox is dead. (thanks: AndrewLuecke)

What do you think?
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Solution #1: Use Banshee as a default music player or even as video player
Written by ciplogic the 30 Mar 09 at 14:13.
Banshee evolved greately in the last releases: start time, more plugins are around, it works in the most use cases of RythmBox.

The last releases are also capable to see videos, and have a pretty decent organizer. So users may enjoy to have a media music manager (no only radio and mp3 one).

I still think that Banshee cannot replace totem as default player as it does not have support for subtitles (or an obvious way to pick them).

For Mono haters: Ubuntu ships with FSpot, which happens to be a good media library for photos, having a Mono music organizer, may sounds good also. In the meantime, if the change will happen, for 9,10, Mono will probably be at the 2.2 version, so it may make Banshee a bit faster (this is the main theme of Mono 2.2 version)

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/74/ - the autor states that will make a win of 6 MB on CD also. Which is great from that switch.
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Solution #2: Use Songbird as a default music player
Written by fukid the 30 Mar 09 at 15:04.
Use Songbird as a default music player
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Solution #3: Bring RB development back
Written by dekaru the 30 Mar 09 at 19:51.
Rhythmbox is simple yet quite effective. With the enhancement and correction of some of its most blunt features, it could easily beat other players who offer too much and aren't quite as usable.
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Solution #4: Switch media player
Written by AndrewLuecke the 31 Mar 09 at 03:50.
UPDATE: Wikipedia article was incorrect. Refer to http://cfergeau.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-is-so-hard-to-find-blog-post-title.htm l . It is worth nothing that the rhythmbox developers don't work full time on their project though. Songbird developers do.

I propose that we continue using Rhythmbox for now, however, Canonical should allocate programmers to work on Songbird integration with gnome for eventual full integration with Ubuntu.

Unfortunately, whilst Songbird isn't ready yet, with a bit of programming work, it could be totally integrated by version 1.2 (due in 2 months).

Songbird offers the most flexibility out of the players, has the backing of mozilla, and doesn't require mono as Banshee does. Furthermore, its cross-platform, is completely malliable (it uses XUL), and winamp has already had to start playing catchup on some features.

This solution differs from #2, because it states that Canonical hire developers to complete integration, and takes into account that some integration work will be required first.
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Solution #5: Library Plugin for Totem
Written by tenplus1 the 31 Mar 09 at 09:29.
Create a plugin for Totem that allows a very simple keyword search on filenames and directories... Can be shown on the Sidebar under Library and this will allow for music AND movie searches (can use preferences to edit searchable extensions like mp3 ogg avi etc. and searchable paths.

Being filename and directory specific this removes the need to read mp3/ogg tags and will scan the searchable paths in under a minute, kinda like WinCUE did for WinAMP...
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Solution #6: Use Exaile by default
Written by Menti the 2 Apr 09 at 20:39.
Songbird has been suggested, Banshee has been suggested... Why not Exaile? It's GTK, it's active, it would need support and development but also the others.
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Solution #7: MPD with GMPC and optional web interface
Written by pasty the 4 Apr 09 at 16:25.
Using the Music Player Daemon would give users a centralised music collection that they can either control locally or from other computers via a web interface or native Linux/OSX/Windows desktop client.

It could also let them log out without stopping the music and also continue playback from the same position after shutting down or rebooting.
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Solution #8: Supports development of Listen
Written by OpenNingia the 14 Apr 09 at 12:13.
From the Home Page: http://www.listen-project.org/

"Listen is an audio player written in Python. Thanks to it, you can easily organize your music collections.

It supports many features such as Podcasts management, browse Shoutcast directory.

It provides a direct access to lyrics, lastfm and wikipedia informations.

It intuitively creates playlists for you by retrieving informations from lastfm and what you most frequently listen to."

Note that Listen is already the default player on XFCE.
Thanks ZuLuuuuuu for noticing.
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Solution #9: Properly research players and survey users requirements to decide
Written by AndrewLuecke the 4 Jun 09 at 13:53.
Instead of randomly choosing based on what users think they want, we should properly research the current and future capabilities of the players, and the requirements of the users. Neither developers nor users have sufficient information to make an appropriate choice and users often make incorrect assumptions about their needs (many users with 3GB of ram for instance are complaining that their media player requires 100MB).

Canonical should collate the following research about the players:
- RAM consumption with different library sizes
- Performance of the player depending on library size
- Feature set and extendibility
- Expected future capabilities and its future.

Canonical should survey users about: Their library sizes, required features and current computer specs (without mentioning player names).

Media player names are not mentioned because we want to pick the best player for users based on their requirements, not the size of their marketing department. What people think they want, may not be what they need. And by determining their needs, we can pick the correct player End users shouldn't care if the code is GTK, QT or Mono (yet the people here voting are basing their decisions ENTIRELY on this). They should only care about if the player fulfills their needs the best.
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Solution #10: Solution #10 : Use Amarok by default
Written by DeAtH89 the 4 Sep 09 at 14:53.
Amarok it's the best music player, Ubuntu can be use Amarok by default.

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Pizdec wrote on the 30 Mar 09 at 18:18
-1 for both solutions. Banshee even have no library scanning.

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 30 Mar 09 at 19:40
I'd like to see Songbird become default, but until 1.2 comes out (in 2 months), realistically, it may not be ready yet, because there is no CD-ripping, transcoding, or other stuff

Songbird 1.1 already uses an equivalent amount of memory to most other media apps now though,

So I vote maybe. In terms of banshee and other players, I get the impression they aren't really going anywhere. It seems to be a case that they are just trying to be "good enough", which isn't really so.

obZen wrote on the 30 Mar 09 at 20:51
banshee is great, but it use too much Ram, and Rythmbox can auto-scan the library

I think that Rythmbox should be improved, taking features like the cover thumbnail and tag editing

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 03:51
Rhythmbox is dead. No longer being maintained, so give up on it.

Songbird is the best choice, and Canonical has no reason not to work on integrating it.

ciplogic wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 04:28
I really don't understand the Mono bashing. FSpot do itś job and it does it well. Tomboy the same. GnomeDo the same.

For me is the same which player will be picked in the end. I know Synaptic or apt-get. The point is for regular users. But at least for my pick, the first option for me is Banshee, at least starting from version 1.2 that is a lot optimized for start time, scaling for large media libraries, etc.

I've looked for first comparison between two:
http://tuxgeek.me/2008/11/itunes-alternative-on-the-mac-songbird-vs-banshee/

They look fairly equal. I cannot say that this or that feature is important.

For me the killer feature of Banshee is to be a video player also (so you can have a pretty unified organizer for your movies and music like as it is in iTunes or WMP) and that is pretty stable and fast.

Comparing in this vote I see that Banshee is not the first love (it is equal in pluses and minuses) but Songbird seems to be almost the first hate :)

Basem wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 06:42
Songbird is great but still not stable...Banshee is good but bloated somehow...rythmbox is fantastic but no features are coming out...Exaile is there but no one goes to it...Damn...

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 07:21
Ciplogic. Yeah, but Songbird is getting video eventually too. I kind of agree with the mono thing too, but I guess at the end, there is a LOT of competition on Firefox for better performance, and that optimisation will make its way to Songbird. Also, the Songbird developers to me still seem to be moving a lot faster.

Pizdec wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 10:55
Songbird looks ugly at any platform, suffers from many glitches in its gui, works slow, has memory leaks.
Banshee doesn't have library scanning. This feature is essential. Player cannot be default one without it.
// Rhythmbox in jaunty has tag editing.

danielrmt wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 12:22
I can't see how "doesn't require mono" is a feature. Better Mono than ugly XUL.

fazillatheef wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 12:58
after all the time microsoft technology is needed to run applications in linux.

Why do we need to support mono when we know that microsoft can stop us in the future. If we support mono apps, other open source apps will die and microsoft can sue all linux gnome users

Pizdec wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 12:59
Another reason not to use banshee - it's slow. Just try to scroll long track list.

ciplogic wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 19:04
fazillatheef: Why do you use FUD before the facts? What will happen if Sun (or IBM, if it will acquire Sun) will say: OpenJDK should be remvoed and all implementations of Java should pay 1 cent per installation?

Mono have a ECMA (Ecma is a standard company, as is ISO) implementation of .NET runtime. If Banshee uses Windows.Forms, which may be patented, it may be a problem. But if not, Banshee can happily live with Mono implementation of .NET

Please think for real:
- Mono is not a Microsoft technology, it never was. Is an implementation of a spec. Please also note that excluding Moonlight, there are almost no collaboration with Microsoft
- patents: an enforcement of an implementation. This may happen for libraries but not for Mono runtime itself

Is really ugly one issue: why do we support OpenOffice 3.0? It have a DOCX (Office 2007) implementation, improved VBA support, and for around 10 years it loads .doc, xls, etc. What if Microsoft will sue OpenOffice and we cannot use it!

This is one point when we are close to 2010, we know that Linux works with Windows by: Samba, Wine, FAT/NTFS, OpenOffice, it plays WMV, Mono (to not forget it!) and at the end, if it will ever happen that Mono to be blocked, let's say because I'm a blind person, what will be a real short term solution?

At the very moment the solution is Banshee or Songbird, but if the choice was picked because is Mono, I will be really dissapointed, and the reasons are: if an user picks Tomboy as a GNOME applet, it will make also the Mono libraries to be already loaded, and Banshee will start pretty fast. (the same true is happening with Firefox & SongBird if they will be made to share the same XUL Runner package).

So my point is: grow up for who see a devil in Mono. Why don't you consider evil Eclipse (for developers) & Java (which is de-facto standard way that most Linux development happen) if they are driven by two big corporations (IBM and Sun). Why don't you let in the past OpenOffice and use Abiword or KOffice? For a long time there is no conspiracy theory in Linux, and even it is, and once Microsoft will demolish with a rock the GNOME desktop as it use GNOME, it will take a 2 week migration to KDE desktop, which by the way, is driven by another "evil" corporation, Nokia

talent03 wrote on the 31 Mar 09 at 22:23
From what I have read is that the codebase is getting old because of the way they handle all the music. Someone had mentioned rewriting it to use a db system would probably set it to move forward. I am sure it would be a lot of work to do and I do not know whether we will see much development on it unless somebody steps up to maintain it. Although I still think rhythmbox is the best application for music. The simplicity and speed of the application is what puts it over the top for me.

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 1 Apr 09 at 00:26
@Pizdec. It doesn't matter what Rhythmbox has in jaunty.. Development has obviously been dead for ages. Rhythmbox was an earlier player, and hasn't really gotten everywhere.

Also, it may look ugly, but duhh, use feathers to change the theme. Also, the memory leaks have been fixed for 1.1 (1.1 is a completely different feeling player from 1.0), and not sure what you mean by graphical glitches.

There are some weird bugs that make it feel slower though currently (perception wise), but by 1.2 (due in 2 months), they will fix those.

In terms of mono, I still don't feel banshee is up to the challenge overall. Songbird is still more flexible, and allows users to pick their interface. Also, Songbird already has a LOT of users this early on. After 1.2 is released, its likely that its users will skyrocket, because the most demanded features will be added

panther wrote on the 1 Apr 09 at 22:37
Bring Rhythmbox back to life!!! Vote for solution #3!!!

I love rhythmbox, it is clean, simple and easy too use!

stochastic wrote on the 2 Apr 09 at 04:58
This idea showcases much that is wrong with Ubuntu Brainstorm: a lot of people don't understand the development process and just vote for the feature that would be the funnest user experience for them right now.

Development is about planning for the future.

Rhythmbox is dead because it's underlying framework is too rigid to develop any further.

Go ahead and try to revive rhythmbox development (that's the leading solution right now) but don't be surprised when you experience EPIC FAIL.

andrewm wrote on the 2 Apr 09 at 14:14
If Banshee added the library scanning feature of Rhythmbox then I'd happily switch to it. Definitely stick with Rhythmbox for the immediate future but if it stays dead then switch over.

To be honest Songbird is pretty, but the interface has always felt laggy and non-native to me on both Ubuntu and Windows.

Some members of the community are paranoid about any usage of Mono, but as long as the winforms libs aren't used it's no less free then Javascript. The worst MS can do is spread FUD like they usually do.

adam664 wrote on the 2 Apr 09 at 17:38
Banshee is similar to Rhythmbox. I think that it can be replaced.

adam664 wrote on the 2 Apr 09 at 17:52
Songbird is not out of the box player. Many functions such as tray icon, you must install yourself.

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 2 Apr 09 at 22:13
Adam664, they can be preinstalled when distributed. And I said some work is needed for integration...

But when you look at the base, Songbird stands the best chance for the future, and a lot of the interface lag is getting fixed in 2 months (the search bar thing for instance is a bug).

nosoupforyou wrote on the 5 Apr 09 at 18:02
I haven't used Rythmbox, Banshee or Totem much since I mostly use Songbird, it is better feature wise but should not be included by default since it is a huge memory hog. I only use it on my main PC since it can handle it but I would never install it on my laptop or any of my other PCs. We can either continue development on Rythmbox or improve Songbird's memory usage.

patrickpan wrote on the 6 Apr 09 at 07:39
RhythmBox is dead.
Songbird is one very *designey* player.

So, why not keep RhythmBox till (designey) 9.10 release, and then, if it has the features we want from it, switch to a (ubuntu-skinned?) songbird.

JebusWankel wrote on the 14 Apr 09 at 06:04
I love Songbird too. It is a far-sighted commitment. I think that once it gets really going on Ubuntu, that will really support its Windows user base, thereby decreasing the barriers to entry for Ubuntu, and increasing the Ubuntu install base.

The obvious problem with Songbird is that it's not even in the repos. I believe that's because it doesn't share the Firefox packages. It just installs its own version of older Firefox code. When it starts coexisting with Firefox, it should perform much better.

A lot of the big features missing in Songbird can just be plugged in. The CD burning in Rhythmbox just uses nautilus cd burner. Also Songbird already uses the gstreamer backend. With Totem, video support in Songbird is redundant. Rhythmbox seems to only have everything Songbird needs to dominate the market, since Songbird already has the big stuff: being cross-platform, supporting plug-ins.

I'm so jealous of how successful Rhythmbox has been. It's podcast support is great. It's got integrated music stores. (Songbird has 1 integrated music store, but neither of the ones Rhythmbox has). It streams Last.fm. These are areas in which Songbird is inexplicably lacking, but once Songbird gets them, I can see it hitting critical mass and really shaking things up.

Now I just want Firefox and Songbird to pull in webkit and everything good about Google Chrome, while integrating it into Ubuntu. Oh Lordy.

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 14 Apr 09 at 12:30
Actually, an update on Rhythmbox's death.. Wikipedia was wrong. They updated the wikipedia article. Refer to: http://cfergeau.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-is-so-hard-to-find-blog-post-title.htm l

Work is still ongoing.

However, I still believe that Rhythmbox development is mostly dead. They should be a lot further then they are currently, and to me, their developers don't particularly seem eager enough to want to win. Or they are branched out on too many projects.

However, Songbird employees dedicate their lives to Songbird (as firefox developers are to firefox). Whereas, Rhythmbox developers they don't seem to be.

So I still feel enhancing Songbird (solution #4) is the best option.

jamesisin wrote on the 14 Apr 09 at 19:27
I want to like Songbird. I really do. I've tried it on nearly every computer platform I run. I am consistantly disappointed. It is much more aimed at Web music than my local collection.

Rhythmbox works. I accept the compaints about it being lacking in features, but it has what is necessary for a default player. And it uses plugins.

All of the 'database' players are much slower than Rb. Especially at start-up. Maybe that has to do with the 14k+ flac collection I'm dealing with. Maybe not. Most of the other players won't connect across a network share (or I haven't found how). Also DAAP support is often lacking.

Again, Rhythmbox works. It really doesn't need much development. Solid. That counts for a lot. I find that Amarok is too feature rich.

ciplogic wrote on the 19 Apr 09 at 13:25
Read this: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/74/

ziroday (Brainstorm moderator) wrote on the 21 Apr 09 at 08:17
@LuisAgosto Your comment has been removed. Swearing is not needed, or wanted on brainstorm.

Stoffe wrote on the 21 Apr 09 at 09:55
We need less mono apps, not more. If Novell goes belly-up, or at least stops development of mono, which does not seem impossible in these days of poor poor economy, the community would need to maintain the whole mono shebang just for a few apps that does not actually do anything special. Even if they would be doing something unique today, it's nothing that couldn't easily be done in a number of other platforms.

F-Spot and Tomboy are ONLY in there because a few very LOUD fanboys wanted the GNOME blessing for their favourite platform. See F-Spot unusable and crashing in multiple releases, but still pushed by Nautilus and the rest of the Desktop just about ANY time anythig happened.

Politics, not practicality. Saddens a lot of us in what should be a meritocracy.

mouth wrote on the 21 Apr 09 at 12:48
Microsoft has only granted immunity to Novell users/clients, and Mono's GPL does not cover Mono’s Windows compatibility stack - of which TomBoy uses extensively. There is a lot to be wary of from MS when using Mono’s Windows compatibility stack, and IMHO thus lots to be wary of from TomBoy.

directhex wrote on the 21 Apr 09 at 14:45
I wonder if there's any section of the internet that "mouth" AKA "Jason" hasn't put that particular piece of provably-false copypasta today

JasonBurns wrote on the 21 Apr 09 at 19:31
I prefer Amarok myself.

ushimitsudoki wrote on the 22 Apr 09 at 00:53
No to mono. Period. Full stop.

If someone gets around to re-writing Banshee in C++ or something (ala GNote from Tomboy), then perhaps that part of the proposal could be taken more seriously.

Songbird has potential, but does not handle podcasts well enough to be considered a replacement at this time. I would check it again in the future, though.

Many players do not actually sync to iPods correctly so other 3rd party devices can use them - there are more issues to a media player than just scanning the harddrive for .mp3 files.

Rhythmbox may not look fancy, but it does just about everything and does it *right*.


tsh wrote on the 26 Apr 09 at 09:34
I downloaded the Songbird installation, but I didn't understand the mandatory license acceptance. Whats up with the binary only part?

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 26 Apr 09 at 14:44
The binary only part is apparently the MTP and iPod plugins (because Songbird licences them to other companies). I am pretty sure that there is nothing in the core software itself that is closed source (at least not by memory), and it is simply some plugins are closed source.

Its worth noting that such libraries could be programmed as a 3rd party extension anyway. I think there are other reasons too though.

It doesn't really affect anyone though regardless, because the Songbird team tends to jump straight onto bugs.

nosoupforyou wrote on the 3 May 09 at 23:07
Songbird is slow and not ready yet to be a default player, amarok is mostly good just for KDE, although it can be used in gnome, should not be the default for gnome, but Banshee is pretty close to rythmbox and has a couple of improvements rythmbox does not.

slsolaris wrote on the 27 May 09 at 15:37
I can not believe that every free software is going to dead, oh my gos! are we going to be slave once again of microsoft windows?

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 27 May 09 at 17:12
Nosoupforyou.. But Banshee is mono based.

There seems to be cons/pro's to all the players currently. All I know for sure though is that rhythmbox is really going nowhere. If it had any chance, it would have done so by now.

I believe songbird is best long term in the future (after firefox 3.5 is merged into the codebase it will be A LOT faster). However, I also agree that in some areas it isn't up to scratch yet.

Its a toughie


adiroiban wrote on the 2 Jun 09 at 13:51
The big problem with Banshee is that it does not have support for Jamendo or Magnatune.

This should be a very big regression as Jamendo and Magnatune are excelent exaples of free culture for the music industry and it help raise awareness of the free software movement in general

directhex wrote on the 4 Jun 09 at 10:03
@adiroiban

This is why Magnatune support is a blocker for Banshee becoming the default player. There is an early version with little recent love, in need of severe development, which should be worked on in the coming months. However, upstream have no interest in support for these stores, so these are features that the Community will need to provide.

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 4 Jun 09 at 14:21
None of these ideas are appropriate.. We should make decisions based on users needs, not rush into choices without proper research. Otherwise we end up with a player which is chosen based on marketing.

Solution #9 is about selecting the best option for users, and is completely independent of marketing skills and internal libraries used..

vexorian wrote on the 11 Jun 09 at 19:59
Ignoring 'internal libraries used' is a big mistake.

mono is a freaking runtime, and a MS-designed, MS-patented one. Canonical should take care for the legal well being of users (AND BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHOICES THEY MADE ABOUT MP3, DVD, ETC).

not only that, but not having a native music player in the default, really screams fail.

Regarding research, RB is the second best music player for Linux, only beat by Amarok (IF the real push was to use the best music player, they should use Amarok, but what they really want is to further fill us with Mono trash).

Should take a look at this:
http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/disinformation-disinfected-pt-3-ban shee-in-ubuntu/

I remember a brainstorm moderator claiming RB development was stopped, turns out those are damn lies.

Fedora and Debian are improving in this situation and got rid of Mono completely, ubuntu instead seems interested in filling even more Mono. Dear Canonical: listen, this will be a big mistake.


AndrewLuecke wrote on the 11 Jun 09 at 20:48
@vex.. Actually, the mistake by the admin was NOT his fault.. There were statements made on wikipedia that made it to many news sites..

And debian is paranoid about somethings, not others, because in many cases they are driven by public paranoia (theres been many cases). A huge amount of linux is patented in some way, but people totally ignore that.

And if we do ask about libraries in a survey, every noob will choose GTK as their ideal library. It shouldn't have any impact. Of course the developers can decide..

But FFS, you are straight out saying we should STICK TO Rhythmbox. Rhythmbox is like an old version of itunes.


PS. That site you presented doesn't dispute much. The reality is that its only mentioning rhythmbox, but makes no comparison to other players in terms of technologies.


Furthermore, it ignores the fact that rhythmbox has really gone nowhere since it launched over half a decade ago. The funny thing is that the extensions for Songbird are already better (and its almost new). And once the songbird performance issues are fixed (due in 2 months), then Rhythmbox will only be less meaningless.

AndrewLuecke wrote on the 12 Jun 09 at 16:50
Also.. i'll add: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/124/

And I quote:
"the vast majority of the anti-Mono crowd are not developers or packagers – they are back-seat drivers."

And yes, I believe thats certainly true.

epidemian wrote on the 25 Jul 09 at 03:41
Well, I've tried Amarok and Songbird (not Banshee yet) and I preffer RB for a various reasons.

First of all, it simplicity, but, at the same time, effectiveness. The first time I used Ubuntu, comming from Windows, it was really easy to get used to RB. It's quite well organized, it's makes it very easy to find the music. I haven't felt that comfortable with the other players I've used.

It's also very performant (or at least comparing it to the other music library players). And that's not a coincidence, as it's written in C and uses the GTK libraries for GUI, which are the core of the entire desktop. I remember songbird taking so much time to load up, and it felt really laggy (my computer is not too fast... but can manege RB pretty good!). A very simple test to do is trying the search option in RB: it filters all the results while you type and doesn't even lag (Even if you have lots of music), and I've seen other playes just dying for a coulpe of seconds when doing a search.

And I think it's very important for a madia player to be efficient. Beacause it performs some demnading tasks, like decoding audio (though yeah, most of them rely on a well-tested backend for this), or managing a giant music collection, while it is usually expected not to take much resources. And that's why I think a player like RB is the rigth choice. It's not cool to have a huge VM or running environment to just play background music.

It has quite a bunch of features, though I think it needs a little work on some of them. Like the lyrics: why not making it an integrated panel instead of a separated floating window? (This should be an idea proposal =P).

Well... that's pretty much my opinion on this subject. Though I think the is no clearly a music library player with the most outstading features (like VLC for video =P), I still think that RB is the best choice.

Bye, peace... sorry for the bad English ;)

lunisneko wrote on the 13 Sep 09 at 20:40
Personally I don't want mono. If you like mono, that's cool. For me, I want to avoid it at all costs. I want things written in Python, in C++, in Objective C. Amarok is a stupid, stupid idea because that would require all the various KDE runtimes to be included. Either Rhythmbox should be the default or something like Exaile should. Banshee should be out, Songbird should be out, and Amarok is a ridiculous suggestion.

cos wrote on the 13 Sep 09 at 22:59
I use Amarok 1.4, but can't say I liked the latest (2.0) release that much (it's been a while since I checked how that's doing). The obvious problem is, as mentioned, the Qt stuff that it would require, which would take too much space on the CD. I am completely against anything that would require Mono to be included by default, such as Banshee or GnomeDo.

With all due respect, Ubuntu should embrace the DVD format and put all *ubuntu distros on the same disc. That would give users direct access to the best of all worlds.

asuastrophysics wrote on the 4 Nov 09 at 01:44
rhythmbox is dead. period. i haven't seen a single new feature implemented in it in over 2 years. just look at it's version number - 0.12. it's not even at version 1 and it doesn't have any maintainers right now.

so the idea to bring RB development back is cute, but unrealistic. it's way behind other applications in terms of features.

banshee all the way. it should be default
+1

BioTeX wrote on the 4 Nov 09 at 22:47
I've always liked using Amarok, but it would make sense to develop Exaile as the GTK equivalent of Amarok. It's still a bit rough but could be just as great with some work.

BioTeX wrote on the 4 Nov 09 at 22:47
I've always liked using Amarok, but it would make sense to develop Exaile as the GTK equivalent of Amarok. It's still a bit rough but could be just as great with some work.


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